is it really that hard to let go of the free to play model ?

Dock01

You already make us pay for everything meta PvP gear is locked behind $20 dungeon DLCs each. The least you could do is make 4v4 battlegrounds less miserable. i have to wait 5 minutes in queue, after losing twice in a row to the same feeder being thrown back on my team. It’s not their fault, some players only have base game gear, which is fine, but the matchmaking is a joke. It constantly pairs a team with perfect synergy against one with none. It feels rigged, gross, and I don’t have all day, just want to win 1 for the daily lmao you think i do this because bg is awesome? its far from it, if the exp bonus isn't there, id gladly abandon it --- it's like this every day so sick and tired of it, shouldn't have made this mode in the first place if you don't even know basic pvp now most players are suffering from it and YES the majority of the group im paired up with feels the same way win or lose. And I find it funny that you have to wait 28 minutes long for leaving a game , maybe make the game fun? No one wants to play in a match like this. Take some accountability for once

FurryCandyHearts

make an alt and do a rN dungeon for the extra exp bonus and then you can forego BGs

RexyCat

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

make an alt and do a rN dungeon for the extra exp bonus and then you can forego BGs

PUGing RND dungeons where you have 3 random player will probably be more or less the same as BG for XP and loot from daily BG/Dungeon. Not sure if there are same loot table between daily BG and RND daily dungeon, if that matters for OP.

I would recommend to pick up daily Pledge before activating daily RNG normal or vet dungeon, in case you would be lucky and get both done at same time. Just do Undaunted quest first to unlock Plege if you never have done that before, so you have access to NPCs that give daily Pledges.

Normal daily random dungeon is pretty fast, if your group get the non DLC type of dungeons. DLC dungeons can also be fast with some exception (depends on group and experience). Anyway F2P that doesn't own DLCs or have ESO plus will not be matched into DLC dungeons,

As PvP geared player I would also recommend to stay with group in dungeon and not run too far ahead as that can trigger next phase and rest of group will be teleported to that stage in dungeon which can be really annoying if you need time to puck up loot or regain resources.

spartaxoxo

BGs aren't an efficient source of exp anyway. If that's your reason and you don't enjoy it, you'd probably should just do something else. I don't think they'll exclude base game players.

Thumbless_Bot

There are more than a few threads here on this topic...

Dock01 wrote: »

it's like this every day so sick and tired of it, shouldn't have made this mode in the first place if you don't even know basic pvp now most players are suffering from it and YES the majority of the group im paired up with feels the same way win or lose. And I find it funny that you have to wait 28 minutes long for leaving a game , maybe make the game fun? No one wants to play in a match like this. Take some accountability for once

This is another, new BGs are terrible rant... with a p2w title.

You should read through the below. They really really do not get pvp in their own game.

https://www.thegamer.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-lead-pvp-designer-brian-wheeler-interview-update-44-battlegrounds/

They literally wanted to take a very large portion of the Battle out of battlegrounds for the PVE crowd. They more or less said this was their strategy. Yes, that literally was the intent.

They did this by making 99% of battlegrounds spawn-camping snoozefests where PVE players are very relaxed because they cant get out of spawn unless they want to die 30 times in five minutes. Ive never died that much but I am fairly certain that it cant be "relaxed".

So, instead of doing what they wanted, making bgs more approachable, they ruined them for most of the community, including pve players.

It's mind-boggling.

It's mind numbing.

moderatelyfatman

Guild Wars 2 has a PvP arena where players can have a free-for-all brawl with 20+ other players whilst waiting for their BG queue to drop.

Just an idea but I suspect it is beyond the ability of ZOS at this stage.

Rohamad_Ali

This kind of reaction should not be the norm from the que system. Segregating low experience should not even be a chore in 2025.

ArchMikem

I had to pay $60 for the Disc, and i have to pay however so much every 3 months for Xbox Live for Online Multi-player.

I dont think you understand what a Free2Play game is.

Islyn

Dock01 wrote: »

You already make us pay for everything meta PvP gear is locked behind $20 dungeon DLCs each. The least you could do is make 4v4 battlegrounds less miserable. i have to wait 5 minutes in queue, after losing twice in a row to the same feeder being thrown back on my team. It’s not their fault, some players only have base game gear, which is fine, but the matchmaking is a joke. It constantly pairs a team with perfect synergy against one with none. It feels rigged, gross, and I don’t have all day, just want to win 1 for the daily lmao you think i do this because bg is awesome? its far from it, if the exp bonus isn't there, id gladly abandon it --- it's like this every day so sick and tired of it, shouldn't have made this mode in the first place if you don't even know basic pvp now most players are suffering from it and YES the majority of the group im paired up with feels the same way win or lose. And I find it funny that you have to wait 28 minutes long for leaving a game , maybe make the game fun? No one wants to play in a match like this. Take some accountability for once

For bg 8 solo - I find it faster personally- but honestly despise BG now and 2 team stuff it was much more fun before.

kotisovich

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Guild Wars 2 has a PvP arena where players can have a free-for-all brawl with 20+ other players whilst waiting for their BG queue to drop.

Just an idea but I suspect it is beyond the ability of ZOS at this stage.

Im sure there will be smart asses going in queue just to kill people in pve gear