Playing through Summerset story in 2025 is wild

Narvuntien

[snip].
Then there are the amazing personal melodrama quests, plus the one in the main quest.
The absolute peak ESO writing, even if it is perhaps a little dark for some people's tastes.
Anyway, its sad we haven't returned to anything approaching it since. It isn't the world ending conspiracy stuff that makes it good its all the personal tragedy that it perfected.

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Liukke

There's no political mystery here, no hidden reasons...they just had great storywriters back then.
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lostineternity

Narvuntien wrote: »

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Are you new to Elder Scrolls? Altmer have always been the racist

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WhiteCoatSyndrome

I personally haven’t forgiven Summerset for ruining the Psijic Order.

lostineternity wrote: »

Are you new to Elder Scrolls? Altmer have always been the racist

This, the Ayleids that enslaved most of the mainland human races were a splinter group from the Altmer. Queen Ayrenn is the outlier.

tsaescishoeshiner

It has nothing to do with that time period IRL, those dynamics were already established in ESO when Auridon was being written, so before 2014. Auridon is very similar to Summerset in that way, even focusing on resistance to Ayrenn's decree to welcome outsiders.

I just finished replaying all of Summerset, and it really was great. Solid, memorable sidequests and overall environment. The main quest, like with many Chapters, isn't the highlight for me.

redlink1979

It's not a "new thing" adapted/written according to what's currently happening in our world,
Altmer have been like that for ages:

"(...) High Elves are often perceived by other races as proud, aloof, or even arrogant. These perceptions are reinforced by centuries of cultural insularity and the perceived superiority of their customs, ancestry, and intellectual traditions (....)"

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Altmer

Cooperharley

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Bro what lol

The high elves have literally always been this way. [snip]

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MafiaCat115

lostineternity wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

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Are you new to Elder Scrolls? Altmer have always been the racist

Pretty much everyone is racist in the Elder Scrolls. It's especially obvious in the older titles like Daggerfall and Morrowind

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valenwood_vegan

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

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I mean the forum rules do clearly state that discussions of real world politics are not appropriate on the forum. Personally I'm happy about that, as at least in the US, it's shoved in our faces 24/7.

As for the topic at hand, many Altmer being supremist and generally awful was not at all new or unique to Summerset. As mentioned, it was also written into the story in Auridon, years before Summerset. The Thalmor were central to the main story in Skyrim. And it's been discussed in the lore much earlier than this.

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valenwood_vegan

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

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Well I read what was removed, and we'll perhaps have to agree to disagree. Fortunately, it's not up to me though.

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Cooperharley

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

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I mean the forum rules do clearly state that discussions of real world politics are not appropriate on the forum. Personally I'm happy about that, as at least in the US, it's shoved in our faces 24/7.

As for the topic at hand, many Altmer being supremist and generally awful was not at all new or unique to Summerset. As mentioned, it was also written into the story in Auridon, years before Summerset. The Thalmor were central to the main story in Skyrim. And it's been discussed in the lore much earlier than this.

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Agreed 100%

Don't know why people feel the need to interject IRL politics into this game sometimes, always bizarre

reazea

This thread is HILARIOUS!

Adaarye

Cooperharley wrote: »

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

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I mean the forum rules do clearly state that discussions of real world politics are not appropriate on the forum. Personally I'm happy about that, as at least in the US, it's shoved in our faces 24/7.

As for the topic at hand, many Altmer being supremist and generally awful was not at all new or unique to Summerset. As mentioned, it was also written into the story in Auridon, years before Summerset. The Thalmor were central to the main story in Skyrim. And it's been discussed in the lore much earlier than this.

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Agreed 100%

Don't know why people feel the need to interject IRL politics into this game sometimes, always bizarre

I've been saying this for a while. I think lines are blurred quite often. Unfortunately.

Narvuntien

Rip, too political apparently.

All art is political, the authors were thinking about something, processing stuff from real life when they are creating.

Syldras

Narvuntien wrote: »

the authors were thinking about something, processing stuff from real life when they are creating.

Some do, some don't. Sometimes fiction is intended by the author to transport a message about a current event or topic, sometimes not. Always assuming that everything is supposed to be a message, maybe even a moral message, leads to a new problem: If authors describe things which are considered "immoral" in the real world neutrally or even positively from a within-the-narration standpoint (because the inhabitants of that fictional world would think that way) in their story, they'll get accusations to support or even promote these things. This does sometimes already happen, which sometimes makes authors shy away from actually depicting foreign worlds with foreign morals already, because of the possible "scandal" that might ensue.

Heren

MafiaCat115 wrote: »

Pretty much everyone is racist in the Elder Scrolls. It's especially obvious in the older titles like Daggerfall and Morrowind

That, so much.