Accounts banned from guild question

Gegensmith

Hello.

I have a question about players who have been added to a guild's ban list.

I know that players are able to change their account names and that the new names are not registered as linked by the usual trading and bank items add-ons (libhistorie, etc.).

Regardless of add-ons, if a player has changed their account name, does this mean that they are able to bypass the ban-list, or does the game recognise that it's the same account as the old name present on the ban-list and prevent them from joining?

Many thanks for your help.

PeacefulAnarchy

ban list recognizes name change

DenverRalphy

I'm pretty sure that your account name isn't the unique identifierfor your account, but instead jut a simple name attached to it. So regardless if your account name changes, it still points to the same unique account identity. Otherwise not just in-game guild bans, but even game bans could be circumvented with a simple account name change.

sarahthes

Gegensmith wrote: »

Hello.

I have a question about players who have been added to a guild's ban list.

I know that players are able to change their account names and that the new names are not registered as linked by the usual trading and bank items add-ons (libhistorie, etc.).

Regardless of add-ons, if a player has changed their account name, does this mean that they are able to bypass the ban-list, or does the game recognise that it's the same account as the old name present on the ban-list and prevent them from joining?

Many thanks for your help.

It recognizes the change.

In fact it can be a good idea to include their original user ID in the notes related to the ban.

ganzaeso

I am fairly sure the new @name changes on the ban lists, but I would have to test it. I will report back here once I have.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

It updates the name on your ban list, but unless you have a note you wont 'know' it was that persons name before.

AlnilamE

Name changes are reflected on the friends list and guild roster, so they should be reflected on the ban list as well.

Gegensmith

Thank you so much for the help — that is very useful.

I keep an external list of banned accounts, so will need to find an add-on that exports the current ban-list to identify where it's changed.

I think Shissu's may have that feature, if that's one of them that's still functional...

Thank you once again

Vulkunne

No bypass. It follows you.

Also, if someone puts you on ignore and you change your account name, they can view the changed name. So if I ignore one person who then later on changes their name, I can see what they changed the name to. While I completely agree with having a ban list and people associating with their fellows and all, I have always felt this is somewhat a privacy violation. For example, recently on here we discussed PvP antics like stalkers and grief bombers following siege groups and so forth.

What if someone realizes they messed up and just wants a fresh start you know? It's like if I make someone mad, which is so incredibly easy to do sadly, then it's a mark on me for the life of my account or until they release my name from their ignore list. People make mistakes; some of us have it hard sometimes. Sometimes it isn't always you; People are people and they themselves are not always nice, fair or honest, which is nothing that you or I can do anything about other than to move on. However, in the case that if you, being someone I am not in trust with, or at odds with, are empowered to track how I choose to represent myself in game then I'd say that is a conflict of interest. I have no problem being on their ban list if they choose to separate themself from me, but that does not give them the right to violate my right to privacy to also separate myself from them.

This is something else needs to be corrected. If you don't like me or want my company, that's alright. But don't stop me from starting over with better circumstances and without anyone other than ZOS aware of my changes to my personal information. Cause that can be what it is, and it do be that way sometimes. It leaves room for some people to 'be the judge' over others by their own private opinion exclusively and unjustly introduce risk from their bias alone, denying the poor person(s) other opportunities beyond themselves and I would think it should be a priority item to be reviewed as well.

WolfStar07

Vulkunne wrote: »

No bypass. It follows you.

Also, if someone puts you on ignore and you change your account name, they can view the changed name. So if I ignore one person who then later on changes their name, I can see what they changed the name to. While I completely agree with having a ban list and people associating with their fellows and all, I have always felt this is somewhat a privacy violation. For example, recently on here we discussed PvP antics like stalkers and grief bombers following siege groups and so forth.

What if someone realizes they messed up and just wants a fresh start you know? It's like if I make someone mad, which is so incredibly easy to do sadly, then it's a mark on me for the life of my account or until they release my name from their ignore list. People make mistakes; some of us have it hard sometimes. Sometimes it isn't always you; People are people and they themselves are not always nice, fair or honest, which is nothing that you or I can do anything about other than to move on. However, in the case that if you, being someone I am not in trust with, or at odds with, are empowered to track how I choose to represent myself in game then I'd say that is a conflict of interest. I have no problem being on their ban list if they choose to separate themself from me, but that does not give them the right to violate my right to privacy to also separate myself from them.

This is something else needs to be corrected. If you don't like me or want my company, that's alright. But don't stop me from starting over with better circumstances and without anyone other than ZOS aware of my changes to my personal information. Cause that can be what it is, and it do be that way sometimes. It leaves room for some people to 'be the judge' over others by their own private opinion exclusively and unjustly introduce risk from their bias alone, denying the poor person(s) other opportunities beyond themselves and I would think it should be a priority item to be reviewed as well.

Violating your privacy? By continuing to have you on their banned list, despite you changing your name? So your desire to contact someone who blocked you outweighs their desire for distance from you? What a weird take. People change their names to try to circumvent bad reputations of their previous name in the hopes of getting away with those actions for awhile longer. You want to start over with a new name? Fine, but why does that mean you have to also force yourself onto people who want distance from you.

JavaRen

When you are given a second chance it is because the one giving it decided to give it, not because you want "a fresh start."

Gegensmith

During my time recruiting for my guild in zone-chat, I've had players whisper or say in zone-chat things like "We need an LGBTQ+ holocaust". If you're suggesting that my guild shouldn't be able to maintain a ban on someone who says such things in the game, then you are wrong, Vulkunne. No fresh starts, no people are just people, no people make mistakes. There are plenty of circumstances in which we ought to be able to track the presence of a toxic player.

Reginald_leBlem

Vulkunne wrote: »

No bypass. It follows you.

Also, if someone puts you on ignore and you change your account name, they can view the changed name. So if I ignore one person who then later on changes their name, I can see what they changed the name to. While I completely agree with having a ban list and people associating with their fellows and all, I have always felt this is somewhat a privacy violation. For example, recently on here we discussed PvP antics like stalkers and grief bombers following siege groups and so forth.

What if someone realizes they messed up and just wants a fresh start you know? It's like if I make someone mad, which is so incredibly easy to do sadly, then it's a mark on me for the life of my account or until they release my name from their ignore list. People make mistakes; some of us have it hard sometimes. Sometimes it isn't always you; People are people and they themselves are not always nice, fair or honest, which is nothing that you or I can do anything about other than to move on. However, in the case that if you, being someone I am not in trust with, or at odds with, are empowered to track how I choose to represent myself in game then I'd say that is a conflict of interest. I have no problem being on their ban list if they choose to separate themself from me, but that does not give them the right to violate my right to privacy to also separate myself from them.

This is something else needs to be corrected. If you don't like me or want my company, that's alright. But don't stop me from starting over with better circumstances and without anyone other than ZOS aware of my changes to my personal information. Cause that can be what it is, and it do be that way sometimes. It leaves room for some people to 'be the judge' over others by their own private opinion exclusively and unjustly introduce risk from their bias alone, denying the poor person(s) other opportunities beyond themselves and I would think it should be a priority item to be reviewed as well.

This whole rant shows that you aren't actually as changed as you might think. You seem to feel that people you hurt owe you something, and that's such an entitled POV.
People do not owe you their time, attention, or forgiveness. Move on, be a better person, treat others with respect and make new friends. Do not try and force your presence on people that blocked you.

Vulkunne

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

No bypass. It follows you.

Also, if someone puts you on ignore and you change your account name, they can view the changed name. So if I ignore one person who then later on changes their name, I can see what they changed the name to. While I completely agree with having a ban list and people associating with their fellows and all, I have always felt this is somewhat a privacy violation. For example, recently on here we discussed PvP antics like stalkers and grief bombers following siege groups and so forth.

What if someone realizes they messed up and just wants a fresh start you know? It's like if I make someone mad, which is so incredibly easy to do sadly, then it's a mark on me for the life of my account or until they release my name from their ignore list. People make mistakes; some of us have it hard sometimes. Sometimes it isn't always you; People are people and they themselves are not always nice, fair or honest, which is nothing that you or I can do anything about other than to move on. However, in the case that if you, being someone I am not in trust with, or at odds with, are empowered to track how I choose to represent myself in game then I'd say that is a conflict of interest. I have no problem being on their ban list if they choose to separate themself from me, but that does not give them the right to violate my right to privacy to also separate myself from them.

This is something else needs to be corrected. If you don't like me or want my company, that's alright. But don't stop me from starting over with better circumstances and without anyone other than ZOS aware of my changes to my personal information. Cause that can be what it is, and it do be that way sometimes. It leaves room for some people to 'be the judge' over others by their own private opinion exclusively and unjustly introduce risk from their bias alone, denying the poor person(s) other opportunities beyond themselves and I would think it should be a priority item to be reviewed as well.

This whole rant shows that you aren't actually as changed as you might think. You seem to feel that people you hurt owe you something, and that's such an entitled POV.
People do not owe you their time, attention, or forgiveness. Move on, be a better person, treat others with respect and make new friends. Do not try and force your presence on people that blocked you.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing in my post suggested any of those things. If you disagree, then show me where it did. Otherwise, this is just stuff that you're making up. It has to be because I never said anyone owed me anything and you have missed the point. If anything, it's the other way around. I don't owe you anything. which seems to be what you want by projecting this onto me. This is exactly why identity matters so much because you just messed with mine by saying something that I didn't say.

How you say treat others with respect and make new friends when you are so disrespectful and unfriendly to me? You tell me to be a better person when you're not being one. Not in this reply at least. Show me one of my posts where I tried to 'force' my presence on anyone. You're completely missed what I'm talking about. This is exactly why my arguments matters is to help protect people from ending up like me in this position here.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Vulkunne wrote: »

No bypass. It follows you.
What if someone realizes they messed up and just wants a fresh start you know? It's like if I make someone mad, which is so incredibly easy to do sadly, then it's a mark on me for the life of my account or until they release my name from their ignore list. People make mistakes; some of us have it hard sometimes.

Make a new account if that's the case. Changing your account name isn't a way of 'Starting over'.

Also it's worth noting that certain addons also inform players if people in cyrodiil have changed their account names even if they aren't on friends or ignore.

scrappy1342

Vulkunne wrote: »

See the way you are presenting this case against me, for what? Because I don't want to be stalked? Because I don't feel the need to answer for why I make changes in direction... to anyone other than ZOS?

all the more reason to keep it as it is. if someone is stalking you, then you block them and if it is the way it is, they can't simply change their @name to get around that to keep stalking you. ppl are making assumptions because you are being so defensive. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Vulkunne

In short. No one should have any back-door access to the changes I make to my personal info. That's not your right and you don't need to know. When you start tracking people, you are no longer the victim, you are doing the job of ZOS. Again, if you disagree and feel the need to go the extra mile you should be opening a ticket with ZOS or move on because the other party also have the right to do the same (especially if ZOS reviews the case). This does not mean you should not be able to ban them from your social interactions or associations but banning someone for disagreeing with you... really feels like hypocrisy and is in my opinion not the type of conduct befitting a Guild Officer. Putting people on ignore should be used to protect you, not destroy someone else who makes a point that bothers you.

That said, I think we need stronger barriers against personal bias in this game and greater awareness of how easily people can unjustifiably get hurt. Just because you get mad doesn't make me wrong.

Also, one last thing. @Vulkunne is NOT my ESO account name. I have no association with that person whatsoever, along with several other similar-sounding names that I've seen which are also from different people. From the beginning, I decided to never have my forum name and account name be the same for this very reason. Add to that, I don't even put people on ignore. Seriously. I try to get to know the person first and assume everything else is what it is until I learn more about them. Before getting so worked up some of you might want to try that approach sometime. Cause everyone will not always do or say the things we like to see or hear. Getting really mad isn't perhaps the best way to do with people problems.

JavaRen

Okay, you clearly feel your point strongly, and clearly folks are not following your point. So I am going to try harder to understamd you.

Is your issue that person A could ban/ignore person B, then person B changes their @name to person C. Now person A can (by monitoring their ban/ignore list) determine that the name change has taken place.

This grants person A knowledge of personB/C's change to their pseudonym (no irl info involved) and allows person A to continue to treat person B/C as they have been (fairly or not).
Does this sum up your point? Or am I still missing a nuance?

Vulkunne

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, you clearly feel your point strongly, and clearly folks are not following your point. So I am going to try harder to understamd you.

Is your issue that person A could ban/ignore person B, then person B changes their @name to person C. Now person A can (by monitoring their ban/ignore list) determine that the name change has taken place.

This grants person A knowledge of personB/C's change to their pseudonym (no irl info involved) and allows person A to continue to treat person B/C as they have been (fairly or not).
Does this sum up your point? Or am I still missing a nuance?

It might be fair to suggest my pov is both an opinion and an idea as well. I can see no reason why someone could not be put on ignore and yet also maintain their privacy as well.

That's it. I've seen how black listing gets abused, which is partially where this is coming from. For example, a friend of mine was a victim of this and had this other person's friends doing dirt against them (former Guild person) and it continued even after the @name was changed which resulted in them getting fed up and eventually leaving the game over it. People would not leave him alone over something that actually someone else started themselves. Leaving the game, I guess was the only thing he could do because he didn't want to start over and why should he. They got away with it and so that is a reason why I resist things so frequently is because I've seen how far people will go to do things out of spite and abuse other people.

JavaRen

So how do we protect your friend -and- preserve my ability to warn my friends about the scammer/stalker/ hate speech spewer etc? (To be clear I am not saying your friend is the bad person I want to warn folks about).

spartaxoxo

Vulkunne wrote: »

That's it. I've seen how black listing gets abused, which is partially where this is coming from. For example, a friend of mine was a victim of this and had this other person's friends doing dirt against them (former Guild person) and it continued even after the @name was changed which resulted in them getting fed up and eventually leaving the game over it. People would not leave him alone over something that actually someone else started themselves. Leaving the game, I guess was the only thing he could do because he didn't want to start over and why should he. They got away with it and so that is a reason why I resist things so frequently is because I've seen how far people will go to do things out of spite and abuse other people.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you want the blacklist to continue blocking the person you added but not to display changes just track it quietly?

So let's say that I add Mannimarco to my block list because he is a necromancer. He changes his name Wormblood. Wormblood can not whisper me or join my guild because he is still banned. But the display name will still be Mannimarco on my ban list. This way his actions don't follow him around even when he's not even talking to me.

Is this correct?

DenverRalphy

If a player earns a spot on my ignore list, it is entirely reasonable that even after a name change they will remain on my ignore list under the new name. How else could a player continue to ignore them if all they had to do is change their appearance so to speak, leaving the offended party none the wiser?

A player who's somehow landed on an igrnore list doesn't get to say "Do over! Fresh start!". Then expect to keep on keepin on, shaking off the consequences. It doesn't matter if a player ignores someone simply on a whim. That's just not how life works.

I have players on my ignore list for a myriad of reasons. Everything ranging from spamming public channels, hate speech, trolling, and even just simply because I don't really much care for a particular player as a whole. Heck, one player I blocked because they're incapable of saying anything without using Khajiit Speak and it drives me crazy. Nobody on that roster gets to become anonymous to my ignore list, and nobody gets to come off it unless I choose to remove them from it. Breaking that reasonable expectation would be an actual privacy violation.

Frayton

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

No bypass. It follows you.
What if someone realizes they messed up and just wants a fresh start you know? It's like if I make someone mad, which is so incredibly easy to do sadly, then it's a mark on me for the life of my account or until they release my name from their ignore list. People make mistakes; some of us have it hard sometimes.

Make a new account if that's the case. Changing your account name isn't a way of 'Starting over'.

Also it's worth noting that certain addons also inform players if people in cyrodiil have changed their account names even if they aren't on friends or ignore.

Which addons do that?

LootAllTheStuff

Vulkunne wrote: »

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, you clearly feel your point strongly, and clearly folks are not following your point. So I am going to try harder to understamd you.

Is your issue that person A could ban/ignore person B, then person B changes their @name to person C. Now person A can (by monitoring their ban/ignore list) determine that the name change has taken place.

This grants person A knowledge of personB/C's change to their pseudonym (no irl info involved) and allows person A to continue to treat person B/C as they have been (fairly or not).
Does this sum up your point? Or am I still missing a nuance?

It might be fair to suggest my pov is both an opinion and an idea as well. I can see no reason why someone could not be put on ignore and yet also maintain their privacy as well.

That's it. I've seen how black listing gets abused, which is partially where this is coming from. For example, a friend of mine was a victim of this and had this other person's friends doing dirt against them (former Guild person) and it continued even after the @name was changed which resulted in them getting fed up and eventually leaving the game over it. People would not leave him alone over something that actually someone else started themselves. Leaving the game, I guess was the only thing he could do because he didn't want to start over and why should he. They got away with it and so that is a reason why I resist things so frequently is because I've seen how far people will go to do things out of spite and abuse other people.

More often, though, it's the other way around: PlayerA harassing or even stalking PlayerB, so PlayerB blocks them, so they change their name to PlayerC and keep up the harassment. So overall, it's best that someone continues to be on a player or guild block list regardless of how many times they change their name. This, incidentally, is exactly why Microsoft have made it a lot harder to change your XBox gamer tag than it used to be back in the 360 era.

I completely fail to see how it's a privacy matter, though: I've not seen anyone use their real name as their in-game tag in a very long time. People's in-game display name is de facto public information. If ESO allowed you to hide your display name, that might be different, but (at least on XBox and also I suspect PS and Steam) that isn't possible.

spartaxoxo

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, you clearly feel your point strongly, and clearly folks are not following your point. So I am going to try harder to understamd you.

Is your issue that person A could ban/ignore person B, then person B changes their @name to person C. Now person A can (by monitoring their ban/ignore list) determine that the name change has taken place.

This grants person A knowledge of personB/C's change to their pseudonym (no irl info involved) and allows person A to continue to treat person B/C as they have been (fairly or not).
Does this sum up your point? Or am I still missing a nuance?

It might be fair to suggest my pov is both an opinion and an idea as well. I can see no reason why someone could not be put on ignore and yet also maintain their privacy as well.

That's it. I've seen how black listing gets abused, which is partially where this is coming from. For example, a friend of mine was a victim of this and had this other person's friends doing dirt against them (former Guild person) and it continued even after the @name was changed which resulted in them getting fed up and eventually leaving the game over it. People would not leave him alone over something that actually someone else started themselves. Leaving the game, I guess was the only thing he could do because he didn't want to start over and why should he. They got away with it and so that is a reason why I resist things so frequently is because I've seen how far people will go to do things out of spite and abuse other people.

More often, though, it's the other way around: PlayerA harassing or even stalking PlayerB, so PlayerB blocks them, so they change their name to PlayerC and keep up the harassment. So overall, it's best that someone continues to be on a player or guild block list regardless of how many times they change their name. This, incidentally, is exactly why Microsoft have made it a lot harder to change your XBox gamer tag than it used to be back in the 360 era.

I completely fail to see how it's a privacy matter, though: I've not seen anyone use their real name as their in-game tag in a very long time. People's in-game display name is de facto public information. If ESO allowed you to hide your display name, that might be different, but (at least on XBox and also I suspect PS and Steam) that isn't possible.

Additionally, people being able to freely discuss their experiences with you isn't a violation of your privacy. People are allowed to talk about their own experiences. Naming and shaming in zone chat or the forums is already not allowed.

scrappy1342

Vulkunne wrote: »

For example, a friend of mine was a victim of this and had this other person's friends doing dirt against them (former Guild person) and it continued even after the @name was changed which resulted in them getting fed up and eventually leaving the game over it. People would not leave him alone over something that actually someone else started themselves. Leaving the game, I guess was the only thing he could do because he didn't want to start over and why should he. They got away with it and so that is a reason why I resist things so frequently is because I've seen how far people will go to do things out of spite and abuse other people.

they got away with it because your friend should have blocked them if they were causing so much strife. that is what the ignore list is for and in your scenario, had your friend blocked them, all they would have to do is change their name to continue to harass them

Vulkunne

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

That's it. I've seen how black listing gets abused, which is partially where this is coming from. For example, a friend of mine was a victim of this and had this other person's friends doing dirt against them (former Guild person) and it continued even after the @name was changed which resulted in them getting fed up and eventually leaving the game over it. People would not leave him alone over something that actually someone else started themselves. Leaving the game, I guess was the only thing he could do because he didn't want to start over and why should he. They got away with it and so that is a reason why I resist things so frequently is because I've seen how far people will go to do things out of spite and abuse other people.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you want the blacklist to continue blocking the person you added but not to display changes just track it quietly?

So let's say that I add Mannimarco to my block list because he is a necromancer. He changes his name Wormblood. Wormblood can not whisper me or join my guild because he is still banned. But the display name will still be Mannimarco on my ban list. This way his actions don't follow him around even when he's not even talking to me.

Is this correct?

I have to admit when replying to this initially I wasn't as aware of how many different povs people had about this. Again, I don't put people on ignore so some of the povs on here just never occurred to me. I'm by no means backpedaling, I meant everything I said and have not waivered. Although I do think it is better to try to you know either get to know or learn more about the person first before getting to close to them rather than falling back on ignore as fast as most people seem to do.

However, to answer your question, it seems like we on opposite sides of the same coin here. I read your use-case. Now from my previous responses I'll say that my use-case is one where we still have something that happened between two people and yeah someone goes on ignore but not necessarily both. Again, the other party... may not even realize they are on ignore however they also might not even realize that it is an option... at all in this game. And so, what happened from my side of the story, one of my in-game eso friends, at the time, had a falling out with a Guild person. That said, we ran in certain circles so there was no room for either of us to be a stranger ok. And so alot of things kept happening to him that were quite frankly bizarre until someone let him in on the fact that 'they were playing him' and 'he couldn't hide forever' blah blah blah that sort of thing.

And so, you and others see it one way, I understand that as I have said, ignore still needs to be an option to protect you or your Guild and to allow peace of mind in situations where you have direct interactions with someone. However, just like a gun or anything that could be used for a good purpose, it can also be used to harm someone else. So again, ignore option should be there to protect but not used to destroy someone else or put them at risk. In other words, ignoring someone should not enable retaliation against them. No one has the right to do that under any other circumstance under TOS. Not as far as I know. This is a loophole that needs to either be closed or more awareness raised into the implications surrounding it, including Guild policies about actions that the Guild itself could take against members thereof. People need to know this. In other words, if I'm a new person looking for a Guild that's real hot about certain issues, then I need to avoid going there so they don't ruin my experience in game. And don't say it won't happen cause we both know it happens every day. Very easy to make some people mad and some Guild Officers are not mature enough to handle like a leadership position to start with. They cannot handle anyone else disagreeing with them and aren't slow to retaliate. I've seen it happen.

I understand there are many different opinions on this subject, yes, I understand that. But at the same time, no one should be taking that situation and turning into a vendetta or doing the job of ZOS by umm playing Sheriff or PI or whatever. Furthermore, I say this not to be hurtful, but there seems to be this STRONG sense of entitlement that if another person puts someone else on ignore that means you right. And no no no no no that's just not automatically true when it has to be a case-by-case situation. Like let's say someone puts me on ignore simply for disagreeing with ok. I've known some harrible Guild Officers in my day that's why I don't deal with them except for a few. By what I'm seeing here this is saying that I'm a bad because uh 'Scott' doesn't like me. Ok how is that my fault? I did not a thing wrong, and I cannot make everyone happy.

So, then Mr Scott passes my @name around and puts the 'word' out. Ok this is evil. This is an evil and I would say irl an unlawful slander of my identity, granted it is in game but yeah. He's being the Sheriff, the Judge and the Jury and is doing all this stuff without opening a ticket with ZOS. Yeah. If you feel that strongly about someone open a ticket and let ZOS do they job. This is wrong, it's immoral and Sparta, this coincides along with your side of the story where you actually may have someone who has proven themselves as being necessary to put them on ignore for the right reason(s). To be clear, I am agreeing with you that some people earn their way onto an ignore list and there's nothing wrong with ignoring them and regardless of the name changing, keep em on the list but it stops there. If you want add them to the ignore on your Guild list or whatever you feel the need to do but when you start passing out names and keeping tabs on if someone has changed their name months later or whatever then I would say that becomes a different story and even if they should be kept an eye on, that's ZOS job to sort that out.

Furthermore, some people do change. I am by no means advocating reconciliation by any way shape or form. But who's to say 6 months down the road this person has 'grown up' or 'matured' some. Should we then keep 'em held in contempt in our personal court for some trespass that could have happened months if not years ago? I'm not saying anyone should be forced to forgive them but the Guild you blocked them from... may not even be around anymore... or it may be under new mgmt... the issue that started this may no longer be an issue for example. It's like ZOS is fine with em, they're doing all kinds of things in game but still are having to be held back by a personal grudge. With all this time going by and they getting 'hunted' and not even know that this is happening. ESO is a game it is not spyware or malware. Alright so this is all I have to say about this, I thank everyone for the time and participation for having our discussion however in most instances we are probably going to have to just agree to disagree as it is appropriate to do anyways in other discussions of a similar nature that people are very passionate about.

Note: During the discussion in this thread, I have done my best to remain polite, consistent, respectful and on-point with this topic, regardless of the manner in which some of my responses were answered by a couple others here.

Gegensmith

You are wrong about guild masters and officers not needing to act like a sheriff. That is precisely one of the roles of a guild master — to protect guild members from toxic players who have been banned. And yes, that means that a year later, following a name change, a guild master should still be able to identify that player. And yes, there are most certainly circumstances in which it is of NO IMPORTANCE whether that player has 'changed', 'matured' or whatever. You break the rules, you are blocked, and you should remain blocked and rightly so. It is in no way whatsoever a violation of that blocked player's "privacy" that guild masters are able to track that person and ensure that they are unable to rejoin.

Adaarye

When we accept ZoS ToS we agree to abide by how ZoS has these things set up. If ZoS has things set up so that your @names all follow a player no matter how many times the player changes it.

I believe the right to privacy in game only applies to ones personal information. I could be wrong though but I don't think I am.

Gegensmith

That's right. It's a complete misrepresentation to suggest that a player's account name constitutes "personal information". It isn't.

Gegensmith

What's more, there are plenty of situations in which it is entirely appropriate for guild-masters to circulate a player's name to other guilds. We do this frequently. Rob the guild bank of all items? Guess what. We warn other guild masters about your behaviour and your name circulates throughout the guilds on the whole server. That's how it works. That's how it should work.