ESO "Welcome Home" Housing Contest Winners!

Pixiepumpkin · June 27

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So they all have full interiors with crafting stations and or assistants?

Nothing in the contest said that entries had to be fully functional houses with crafting stations and assistants. There were categories to meet and from what I see all of these entries met them.

Congrats to all the winners and runner ups!

Like I said, there are different ways to approach building. One has more restrictions, the other is a free for all. They can not take place inside of the same contest.

This is why sports IRL are weighted/balanced.

If a player self imposes a restriction that is not part of the contest requirements, that's on them and in no way unfair to them. All of the requirements were clear and appear to be met. Idk about the more than 30 comment

Its not about imposting self restrictions. Those restrictions are already present when a builder chooses to build HOW ESO building was meant to be, which is to be lore like and which is to include functionality. This is obvious by the furnishing items available in game and how they are presented.

A home in ESO is meant as part of the game for players to create their own respite. Creating a home as a respite is not the same as making a home for a screenshot, which most of these are.

The winners for this contest used the EHT addon (which consoles can not use) give an unfair advantage in building due to the addons ability to allow pieces to snap to a shape, allows the builder to FLY (such a huge advantage) on top of a myriad of other things. Is it fair that those who do not use the addon or do not have access to the addon to be measured against those who do? Becasue its blatantly not "fair", which a contest should be.

What about those winners up there that used the PTS to buy crown store assets for a single crown (you are given 5k crowns on the PTS). Is it fair that those who actually put the time in to harvest resources and or spend gold to get the mats to make furniture or buy it, is it fair that they are measued against someone who can just buy assets cheaply on the PTS?

There is so much about this contest that is not even remotely fair for the majority of the player base. The honest player who worked their bums off to get furniture, build platforums in game to get to high places vs flying (takes time to build platforms over and over), the players who knew that an "Inn" meant a 15/30 slot "inn" or who used an Inn per Kevins comment...I mean dude, the fact that the winner was chosen is proof that they did not even visit the home as they said they have. The fact that you have to port to Ravenhurst to see the "inn"...I mean do the ESO devs and "top housing enthusiasts" not know that the Base Game house Ravenhurst is not an inn? Come on...

Pixiepumpkin · June 27

RandomGuardian wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

I have to say that I am in agreement this does not appear to be an inn room. With the custom walls, possibly Leyawiin Garden Wall? and the custom ceilings, Solitude Shed Lean To? and all of the other items there are just too many furnishings.

Ultimately, I will fairly say the official contest rules make no distinction for certain requirements of housing types even if they clarified their desires in a forum post. That forum post isn't legally able to be acted upon, just their stated preference. Which means that for better or worse, since all entries and results are final as stated by the rules, it's a done deal.

They may have stated a preference in a forum thread - and it sucks for those who did only use that - but it's not legally viable.

But they did not have to choose that home as the winner. 1400 submissions and that is the "best" on...I don't think so.

If I was a judge, I would not have ruled that one a winner based on the fact that they had to port to Ravenhurst to see it, which is not an Inn room.

Those of us who had questions about the official rules, and who adhered to what the devs said about the contest, now lost because a 200 slot house won vs a 30 slot as we were told to use.

JnD · June 27

Congratulations to all winners! Loved the festival guar explosion.
I'm really looking forward watching all the pics.
Thank-you very much @ZOS_Kevin for a housing contest that included all platforms.
I would like to see more frequently competitions like this 🤗

JnD · June 27

About the inn runner-up, I personally don't think there's a big deal with that.
As I missed the date was not 6th June but 6th 12ET (so my best 2 categories didn't enter), I perfectly understand you can make unintentional mistakes.
And housing competitions are something to celebrate and have fun with.
So, for me it's perfect if it remains as runner up 🤗

j3z3b3l · June 27

Just wanted to let you know that,
Cozy Inn Room grand prize winner, Festival Day runner up, Master Tier Creations grand prize winner & a runner up for that category, are all Console players. Forgive me if I missed anyone else that I may not recognize.

Wolfkeks · June 27

Congrats everyone!

And I have to say this is my favorite entry! Really creative! Can't wait for the article to show us more pictures!! 🎉

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Festival Day
Runner Up: C0RLE0NE TIME (Germany)

spartaxoxo · June 27

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So they all have full interiors with crafting stations and or assistants?

Nothing in the contest said that entries had to be fully functional houses with crafting stations and assistants. There were categories to meet and from what I see all of these entries met them.

Congrats to all the winners and runner ups!

Like I said, there are different ways to approach building. One has more restrictions, the other is a free for all. They can not take place inside of the same contest.

This is why sports IRL are weighted/balanced.

If a player self imposes a restriction that is not part of the contest requirements, that's on them and in no way unfair to them. All of the requirements were clear and appear to be met. Idk about the more than 30 comment

Its not about imposting self restrictions. Those restrictions are already present when a builder chooses to build HOW ESO building was meant to be, which is to be lore like and which is to include functionality. This is obvious by the furnishing items available in game and how they are presented.

A home in ESO is meant as part of the game for players to create their own respite. Creating a home as a respite is not the same as making a home for a screenshot, which most of these are.

The winners for this contest used the EHT addon (which consoles can not use) give an unfair advantage in building due to the addons ability to allow pieces to snap to a shape, allows the builder to FLY (such a huge advantage) on top of a myriad of other things. Is it fair that those who do not use the addon or do not have access to the addon to be measured against those who do? Becasue its blatantly not "fair", which a contest should be.

What about those winners up there that used the PTS to buy crown store assets for a single crown (you are given 5k crowns on the PTS). Is it fair that those who actually put the time in to harvest resources and or spend gold to get the mats to make furniture or buy it, is it fair that they are measued against someone who can just buy assets cheaply on the PTS?

There is so much about this contest that is not even remotely fair for the majority of the player base. The honest player who worked their bums off to get furniture, build platforums in game to get to high places vs flying (takes time to build platforms over and over), the players who knew that an "Inn" meant a 15/30 slot "inn" or who used an Inn per Kevins comment...I mean dude, the fact that the winner was chosen is proof that they did not even visit the home as they said they have. The fact that you have to port to Ravenhurst to see the "inn"...I mean do the ESO devs and "top housing enthusiasts" not know that the Base Game house Ravenhurst is not an inn? Come on...

Unlike no access to pts or eht for console users, choosing to add crafting tables to an an entry is a self imposed restriction. I have homes that are for crafting and homes that aren't. None are for screenshots. I use them all. The houses mostly don't come with those crafting furnishings and are able to be emptied of the most furniture they do have. Houses are not for any particular style of home. Players choose their own decorations.

Housing is expensive. That's why they had an inn category. Inn houses are free and much easier to create a design for a contest.

CORLEONE_TIME · June 27

j3z3b3l wrote: »

Just wanted to let you know that,
Cozy Inn Room grand prize winner, Festival Day runner up, Master Tier Creations grand prize winner & a runner up for that category, are all Console players. Forgive me if I missed anyone else that I may not recognize.

Hey j3z, the festival grand prize winner is from xbox NA too

CORLEONE_TIME · June 27

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

It would have been nice to know that the judging was for building a facade for a screenshot, not actual decorating for a functional house in game.

Each of the houses is a functional house. We only showcased one photo for each person. But there are function interior shots for most of these as well. We will have those showcased in the final article in a few weeks.

So they all have full interiors with crafting stations and or assistants? I count more than 30 items in the inn room, what is on the opposite wall when they are out of furnishing slots?

A house doesn't necessarily mean a guild hall... Not everyone "works from home" XD

Btw, congrats everyone!
C0RLE0NE TIME and Delicately ones look awesome

Thank you very much, i was very surprised to see i had come up with a very similar idea, guess i was lucky i used it for festival instead of master tier ^^"

CORLEONE_TIME · June 27

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Congrats everyone!

And I have to say this is my favorite entry! Really creative! Can't wait for the article to show us more pictures!! 🎉

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Festival Day
Runner Up: C0RLE0NE TIME (Germany)

Thank you very much, i am usually more of a nature guy, so doing a town, especially an asian one was challange, but i think for a first try it came out quite well.
Doing the windows was a pain though, took me a while to find something that worked ^^"

Pixiepumpkin · June 27

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So they all have full interiors with crafting stations and or assistants?

Nothing in the contest said that entries had to be fully functional houses with crafting stations and assistants. There were categories to meet and from what I see all of these entries met them.

Congrats to all the winners and runner ups!

Like I said, there are different ways to approach building. One has more restrictions, the other is a free for all. They can not take place inside of the same contest.

This is why sports IRL are weighted/balanced.

If a player self imposes a restriction that is not part of the contest requirements, that's on them and in no way unfair to them. All of the requirements were clear and appear to be met. Idk about the more than 30 comment

Its not about imposting self restrictions. Those restrictions are already present when a builder chooses to build HOW ESO building was meant to be, which is to be lore like and which is to include functionality. This is obvious by the furnishing items available in game and how they are presented.

A home in ESO is meant as part of the game for players to create their own respite. Creating a home as a respite is not the same as making a home for a screenshot, which most of these are.

The winners for this contest used the EHT addon (which consoles can not use) give an unfair advantage in building due to the addons ability to allow pieces to snap to a shape, allows the builder to FLY (such a huge advantage) on top of a myriad of other things. Is it fair that those who do not use the addon or do not have access to the addon to be measured against those who do? Becasue its blatantly not "fair", which a contest should be.

What about those winners up there that used the PTS to buy crown store assets for a single crown (you are given 5k crowns on the PTS). Is it fair that those who actually put the time in to harvest resources and or spend gold to get the mats to make furniture or buy it, is it fair that they are measued against someone who can just buy assets cheaply on the PTS?

There is so much about this contest that is not even remotely fair for the majority of the player base. The honest player who worked their bums off to get furniture, build platforums in game to get to high places vs flying (takes time to build platforms over and over), the players who knew that an "Inn" meant a 15/30 slot "inn" or who used an Inn per Kevins comment...I mean dude, the fact that the winner was chosen is proof that they did not even visit the home as they said they have. The fact that you have to port to Ravenhurst to see the "inn"...I mean do the ESO devs and "top housing enthusiasts" not know that the Base Game house Ravenhurst is not an inn? Come on...

Unlike no access to pts or eht for console users, choosing to add crafting tables to an an entry is a self imposed restriction. I have homes that are for crafting and homes that aren't. None are for screenshots. I use them all. The houses mostly don't come with those crafting furnishings and are able to be emptied of the most furniture they do have. Houses are not for any particular style of home. Players choose their own decorations.

Housing is expensive. That's why they had an inn category. Inn houses are free and much easier to create a design for a contest.

Respectfully, you are wrong.

1. The design behind ESO, housing in ESO and the furniture in ESO lends to a specific style and build type. Players who choose (I have said this three times now) to build AS INTENDED for the game are at a severe disadvantage, just like players who can not or do not use EHT. Making a REAL build vs making a facade for a screenshot are not the same thing. One takes tons of effort and is restricted, the other is not.
2. In case you missed it, one of the winners of the "Inn" room, did not use an inn room. They used Ravenhurst. With 200 slots avaiiable to them while everyone else was restriced to 15/30. You can not honestly tell me you think this is ok. Rules for thee but not for me?!?!

I called out what was going to take place the second I saw ZOS mention the two community judges. They have their own clique, they vote for people who choose THEIR style and based on what I understand, some of the winners are in that community. Kinda odd when you have 1400+ entries for their friends to win.

When I can predict something a month and a half in advance, its not due to being a psychic, its due to observation.

The judges did not judge based on "decorating", they judged based on making new weird stuff that does not look like it comes from Tamriel. You can observe this on their you tube channels and the other games they build stuff in.

j3z3b3l · June 27

CORLEONE_TIME wrote: »

j3z3b3l wrote: »

Just wanted to let you know that,
Cozy Inn Room grand prize winner, Festival Day runner up, Master Tier Creations grand prize winner & a runner up for that category, are all Console players. Forgive me if I missed anyone else that I may not recognize.

Hey j3z, the festival grand prize winner is from xbox NA too

Oh that’s great to know thank you. I don’t know everyone like I said but just pointing out that not all the winners were PC.😌

SilverBride · June 27

JnD wrote: »

About the inn runner-up, I personally don't think there's a big deal with that.
As I missed the date was not 6th June but 6th 12ET (so my best 2 categories didn't enter), I perfectly understand you can make unintentional mistakes.
And housing competitions are something to celebrate and have fun with.
So, for me it's perfect if it remains as runner up 🤗

It's a big deal to me. In my opinion, the very first thing that should be looked at in any contest is "Does it meet the objective?". This room does not.

I agree that it should remain a runner up now because the contestant was not at fault for what happened. But in fairness to all of the inn entries that did meet the objective they should add another runner up slot.

Edit to add: This hits close to home for me because something very similar happened in one of our guild's monthly housing contests and it wasn't rectified. I haven't entered one since because of it.

RMW · June 27

C0RLE0NE TIME's one is my all time favorite (and I really hope you open this house to the public on your server

)
The dragon and building in the background are just fantastic and you can see how much time and effort went into this!

CORLEONE_TIME · June 27

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So they all have full interiors with crafting stations and or assistants?

Nothing in the contest said that entries had to be fully functional houses with crafting stations and assistants. There were categories to meet and from what I see all of these entries met them.

Congrats to all the winners and runner ups!

Like I said, there are different ways to approach building. One has more restrictions, the other is a free for all. They can not take place inside of the same contest.

This is why sports IRL are weighted/balanced.

If a player self imposes a restriction that is not part of the contest requirements, that's on them and in no way unfair to them. All of the requirements were clear and appear to be met. Idk about the more than 30 comment

Its not about imposting self restrictions. Those restrictions are already present when a builder chooses to build HOW ESO building was meant to be, which is to be lore like and which is to include functionality. This is obvious by the furnishing items available in game and how they are presented.

A home in ESO is meant as part of the game for players to create their own respite. Creating a home as a respite is not the same as making a home for a screenshot, which most of these are.

The winners for this contest used the EHT addon (which consoles can not use) give an unfair advantage in building due to the addons ability to allow pieces to snap to a shape, allows the builder to FLY (such a huge advantage) on top of a myriad of other things. Is it fair that those who do not use the addon or do not have access to the addon to be measured against those who do? Becasue its blatantly not "fair", which a contest should be.

What about those winners up there that used the PTS to buy crown store assets for a single crown (you are given 5k crowns on the PTS). Is it fair that those who actually put the time in to harvest resources and or spend gold to get the mats to make furniture or buy it, is it fair that they are measued against someone who can just buy assets cheaply on the PTS?

There is so much about this contest that is not even remotely fair for the majority of the player base. The honest player who worked their bums off to get furniture, build platforums in game to get to high places vs flying (takes time to build platforms over and over), the players who knew that an "Inn" meant a 15/30 slot "inn" or who used an Inn per Kevins comment...I mean dude, the fact that the winner was chosen is proof that they did not even visit the home as they said they have. The fact that you have to port to Ravenhurst to see the "inn"...I mean do the ESO devs and "top housing enthusiasts" not know that the Base Game house Ravenhurst is not an inn? Come on...

Unlike no access to pts or eht for console users, choosing to add crafting tables to an an entry is a self imposed restriction. I have homes that are for crafting and homes that aren't. None are for screenshots. I use them all. The houses mostly don't come with those crafting furnishings and are able to be emptied of the most furniture they do have. Houses are not for any particular style of home. Players choose their own decorations.

Housing is expensive. That's why they had an inn category. Inn houses are free and much easier to create a design for a contest.

Respectfully, you are wrong.

1. The design behind ESO, housing in ESO and the furniture in ESO lends to a specific style and build type. Players who choose (I have said this three times now) to build AS INTENDED for the game are at a severe disadvantage, just like players who can not or do not use EHT. Making a REAL build vs making a facade for a screenshot are not the same thing. One takes tons of effort and is restricted, the other is not.
2. In case you missed it, one of the winners of the "Inn" room, did not use an inn room. They used Ravenhurst. With 200 slots avaiiable to them while everyone else was restriced to 15/30. You can not honestly tell me you think this is ok. Rules for thee but not for me?!?!

I called out what was going to take place the second I saw ZOS mention the two community judges. They have their own clique, they vote for people who choose THEIR style and based on what I understand, some of the winners are in that community. Kinda odd when you have 1400+ entries for their friends to win.

When I can predict something a month and a half in advance, its not due to being a psychic, its due to observation.

The judges did not judge based on "decorating", they judged based on making new weird stuff that does not look like it comes from Tamriel. You can observe this on their you tube channels and the other games they build stuff in.

I am not disagreeing with you on the ravenhurst part, it was clarified in the forums that it needs to be an inn room and they should hold themselves to their own rules, its a slip up but not the end of the world, they had something similar happen years ago with the outfit contest, they said no furniture allowed but one winner used a ton of quills to make wings.

Most other console players i spoke to also were very critical about EHT but the judges seem to have kept that in mind otherwise there would not have been so many console winners and its maybe even fair to asume they valued builds without EHT higher considering the results we see here.

Claiming the community judges picked the winners from "their clique" is honestly not very nice and somewhat insulting. I dont know them that much, i only ever had a bit of surface level contact with futerko on youtube and i doubt they even know who i am but they seem to be nice and honest people.
There was no rule that houses had to fit the style of the game or even had to be lore friendly.
And everyone is allowed his opinion on cobbles but the fact is that cobbles are more impressive to look at for most people, so its no wonder they tend to float up into the upper ranks of contests.

Its also a bit weird to brag about "predicting something a month and a half in advance" but then making a fuzz about it.
If you knew cobbles would likely dominate the upper ranks but still chose to not use a competitive style you really only have yourself to blame i think.
Contests are judged by humans and humans tastes differ, i can't even count the amount of times i landed 2nd in a contest just to hear "i liked your build better then the winner" but that does not change the outcome.
And unless you can prove they had an evil meeting in a dark room only lit by dim candle light were they decided to only give prizes to people from the cobble cult while laughing like evil master minds i would like to ask you not to make up such rumors, not only because its not nice to them but also because it looks poor on you, as a neutral observer it looks really salty and i dont think that is how you want to come across.

CORLEONE_TIME · June 27

RMW wrote: »

C0RLE0NE TIME's one is my all time favorite (and I really hope you open this house to the public on your server )
The dragon and building in the background are just fantastic and you can see how much time and effort went into this!

Thank you very much, yes its open to the public on xbox EU, i put it up on home tours a day after the deadline.
As for time and effort... it certainly took a lot of effort but was a rather fast build in general, about 12 hours stretched over 2 days, considering its my first time building an asian town it was surprisingly fast, the castle the dragon sits on took up most of the time (about 4 hours alone) while the rest was split between the town, the dragon, crafting and the framing

CORLEONE_TIME · June 27

j3z3b3l wrote: »

CORLEONE_TIME wrote: »

j3z3b3l wrote: »

Just wanted to let you know that,
Cozy Inn Room grand prize winner, Festival Day runner up, Master Tier Creations grand prize winner & a runner up for that category, are all Console players. Forgive me if I missed anyone else that I may not recognize.

Hey j3z, the festival grand prize winner is from xbox NA too

Oh that’s great to know thank you. I don’t know everyone like I said but just pointing out that not all the winners were PC.😌

Yes, xbox had a strong run! must be all the years of building toilets on both severs, the true unique feature of xbox housing acording to jhart xD

SilverBride · June 27

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

Will you please offer some insight on the inn room issue?

Pixiepumpkin · June 27

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

It would have been nice to know that the judging was for building a facade for a screenshot, not actual decorating for a functional house in game.

Each of the houses is a functional house. We only showcased one photo for each person. But there are function interior shots for most of these as well. We will have those showcased in the final article in a few weeks.

Some of them are facades. Not exactly a fair contest.

ZOS_Kevin · June 27

Hi All, just following up here. We are looking into the the Cozy Inn Runner Up issue that was cited in the thread. We will follow up once we have more info.

SilverBride · June 27

Thank you for your reply!

ZOS_Kevin · June 27

@Pixiepumpkin The contest had so many kinds of entries. Our job is not to limit how folks want to enter into the contest beyond the established categories. Ultimately, if you don't like that some folks can enter a non-functional house, that's fine, but no one did anything wrong based on how they entered.

When you stated functional house, I thought you meant if you could walk around. Not that it actually functioned as a proper house. So that is my mistake. But ultimately, we never required anyone to build something that was functional to scale. We asked that folks be creative.

SilverBride · June 27

I'd like to add that I thought it was unusual that the entry form didn't ask what house or apartment we used in our submission. I think it would be a good idea for that to be required in the future, to help prevent mixups like this.

CORLEONE_TIME · June 27

SilverBride wrote: »

I'd like to add that I thought it was unusual that the entry form didn't ask what house or apartment we used in our submission. I think it would be a good idea for that to be required in the future, to help prevent mixups like this.

Not a bad idea

Pixiepumpkin · June 27

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

@Pixiepumpkin The contest had so many kinds of entries. Our job is not to limit how folks want to enter into the contest beyond the established categories. Ultimately, if you don't like that some folks can enter a non-functional house, that's fine, but no one did anything wrong based on how they entered.

When you stated functional house, I thought you meant if you could walk around. Not that it actually functioned as a proper house. So that is my mistake. But ultimately, we never required anyone to build something that was functional to scale. We asked that folks be creative.

1. Not to be pedantic, but how would any home not be able to be walked around in? The very essence of visiting the home allows for walking inside of it. Its why we cant place things in front of doors else they get "red borders".
2. I never suggested that anyone did anything wrong. What I stated is that cobbling facade building has severe advantages over functional building in game. Spamming 700 furnishing items into a screenshot, FOR a screenshot is not the same thing as fleshing out a full build, like your artists/designers do in game.

If I may,
Please be more specific in the future. There are a myriad of ways to create/build/furnish/decorate in ESO housing, they are not all the same. People who build for their homes to feel like they belong in game, with functionality are at a massive disadvantage vs someone who can use 700 slots to make a facade for a screenshot. In fact, I would heavily argue that the people building to make a fully functioning house in ESO while maintaining a sense of decor, artistic balance with postive and negative space, with focal points and colors are putting a metric ton more effort than a facade, or a big shiny colorful monstrosity (TV's in showroom floors are not calibrated, instead have their color saturation boosted becase bright and shiny and colorful sells, but does not mean its a good picture).

I desire fair and balanced contests. PTS building, EHT, facade building when allowed do not present a fair and balanced contest because these tools and or styles give unfair advantages to creativity and or due to home furniture limits. Players who are unaware that the judges are going to vote on specific styles, which is what happened mostly here, are not going to have a chance at winning.

ESO housing contests are pretty much this "Go Cobble or Go Home....legit builds not need apply", and it's doing a massive disservice to ESO becausee legitimate, functional homes showcasing how they can be used for play in game are not being represented or seen.

Thank you for your reply and answer.

spartaxoxo · June 27

Facade building is an incredibly complex process that I personally find way harder than making a functional house. A house that is functional just needs you to slap down some crafting tables. I'm not denying that functional homes can't be creative. But cobbled elements of homes and cobbled homes are incredibly difficult to make and require creative use of furnishings including in ways that some wouldn't expect.

I think it would be a massive insult to the housing community to disallow creative homes just because some people only like homes with standard, functional decor. Housing is artistic expression in this game. Some of it is more practical and some of it is more abstract but all or is the artists creative expression.

Houses should be judged by how well they adhere to the states theme alone. If a contest doesn't explicitly state it needs a crafting table or it needs to be lore friendly, then that should have no bearing on the judging.

Comparing cobbling (creative use of furniture) to EHT for console (physically impossible) is simply not correct.

I love every home chosen for the winners. The only thing I hope with this contest is they pick one more inn to address the Ravenhurst mistake. That's it.

spartaxoxo · June 27

Everyone in the game has access to cobbling. Not everyone has access to EHT. They don't belong in the same list at all.

Someone's personal idea of what is cool or not should not be a restriction against what others find cool. If lots of people like "facades" and the judges enjoyed it and it adheres to the theme and rules, then it should have the same chance of winning as every other entrants.

I find the idea offensive to many in the housing community that some of us would get disqualified because we weren't cool enough even if we followed the rules. And that's exactly how I see the facade argument. Facades are decorating and everyone can do it.

Anyway, I'm bowing out now because this is getting a bit circular. Congratulations winners! I didn't enter because I missed the deadline but I think you ALL knocked it out of the park. Congratulations on your well deserved prizes. I hope you all feel good about your wins. You did great and I so enjoyed seeing all of them. Thank you for sharing! I know creative expression isn't always easy to share.

CORLEONE_TIME · June 27

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Facade building is an incredibly complex process that I personally find way harder than making a functional house. A house that is functional just needs you to slap down some crafting tables. I'm not denying that functional homes can't be creative. But cobbled elements of homes and cobbled homes are incredibly difficult to make and require creative use of furnishings including in ways that some wouldn't expect.

I think it would be a massive insult to the housing community to disallow creative homes just because some people only like homes with standard, functional decor. Housing is artistic expression in this game. Some of it is more practical and some of it is more abstract but all or is the artists creative expression.

Houses should be judged by how well they adhere to the states theme alone. If a contest doesn't explicitly state it needs a crafting table or it needs to be lore friendly, then that should have no bearing on the judging.

Comparing cobbling (creative use of furniture) to EHT for console (physically impossible) is simply not correct.

I love every home chosen for the winners. The only thing I hope with this contest is they pick one more inn to address the Ravenhurst mistake. That's it.

Very reasonable take, I fully agree.

i am often the odd one oug between the judges in our guild because i follow the policy of "judging as rules stated" so theme and creativity are more important then general execution to me while my co judges put a lot of weight on execution with theme being an after thought for them. Neither of these two approaches is more or less right but they can lead to very different outcomes in the end.

There is a lot that can go into judging behind the scenes and with 1.4k people to go through you will gravitate to the ones that were really eye catching while everything else kinda blurs together.
Its not great that the ravenhurst slipped by but we are all humans and humans make mistakes, hell i didnt see the forum thread with the clarification of the rules and used a wagon that had 30 items but stood in my daggerfall overlook. A guild made got 2 entries disqualified for the same reason.
I am sure @Stentorus made the same mistake without bad intentions, his just happened to slip by all the way to the runner up position.

I hope they dont take away his prize or at least give him a small prize to apologize gor the mistake and putting him in a weird spot

Delicately · June 27

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

So they all have full interiors with crafting stations and or assistants?

Nothing in the contest said that entries had to be fully functional houses with crafting stations and assistants. There were categories to meet and from what I see all of these entries met them.

Congrats to all the winners and runner ups!

Like I said, there are different ways to approach building. One has more restrictions, the other is a free for all. They can not take place inside of the same contest.

This is why sports IRL are weighted/balanced.

If a player self imposes a restriction that is not part of the contest requirements, that's on them and in no way unfair to them. All of the requirements were clear and appear to be met. Idk about the more than 30 comment

Its not about imposting self restrictions. Those restrictions are already present when a builder chooses to build HOW ESO building was meant to be, which is to be lore like and which is to include functionality. This is obvious by the furnishing items available in game and how they are presented.

A home in ESO is meant as part of the game for players to create their own respite. Creating a home as a respite is not the same as making a home for a screenshot, which most of these are.

The winners for this contest used the EHT addon (which consoles can not use) give an unfair advantage in building due to the addons ability to allow pieces to snap to a shape, allows the builder to FLY (such a huge advantage) on top of a myriad of other things. Is it fair that those who do not use the addon or do not have access to the addon to be measured against those who do? Becasue its blatantly not "fair", which a contest should be.

What about those winners up there that used the PTS to buy crown store assets for a single crown (you are given 5k crowns on the PTS). Is it fair that those who actually put the time in to harvest resources and or spend gold to get the mats to make furniture or buy it, is it fair that they are measued against someone who can just buy assets cheaply on the PTS?

There is so much about this contest that is not even remotely fair for the majority of the player base. The honest player who worked their bums off to get furniture, build platforums in game to get to high places vs flying (takes time to build platforms over and over), the players who knew that an "Inn" meant a 15/30 slot "inn" or who used an Inn per Kevins comment...I mean dude, the fact that the winner was chosen is proof that they did not even visit the home as they said they have. The fact that you have to port to Ravenhurst to see the "inn"...I mean do the ESO devs and "top housing enthusiasts" not know that the Base Game house Ravenhurst is not an inn? Come on...

3 out of 4 grand prize winners are on Xbox — myself, CannyMoss AU, and Mehve — so I’m not entirely sure which "winners" are supposedly using EHT to do any of what you’re implying. All of our homes are listed on Home Tours and available for public viewing.

This is a competition, and naturally, people are going to bring their best effort and creativity. The goal is to challenge ourselves and see what we can achieve when we push our creative boundaries. I’ve built over 30 homes in a variety of themes, most of which do not follow game lore or aesthetics. I’m not on any social media platforms, so nothing I’ve created was done for clicks or views — it’s simply the style I enjoy building in. I’ve also never spoken to or interacted with either of the judges, so I’m unclear on your comment about them favoring friends.

You’ve made a few remarks suggesting the winning entries are lesser work. You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion. That said, just a friendly reminder: over half of the winners are on console. It wouldn’t hurt to simply say congratulations and celebrate your fellow console builders.

Lastly, a quick note, there are plenty of non-lore-friendly cosmetics in the game (dyes, mounts, skins, etc.) I ride a giant purple horse that leaves a sparkle trail in game. Lore accuracy clearly isn’t the sole standard across the game.

Toxien · June 27

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

@Pixiepumpkin The contest had so many kinds of entries. Our job is not to limit how folks want to enter into the contest beyond the established categories. Ultimately, if you don't like that some folks can enter a non-functional house, that's fine, but no one did anything wrong based on how they entered.

When you stated functional house, I thought you meant if you could walk around. Not that it actually functioned as a proper house. So that is my mistake. But ultimately, we never required anyone to build something that was functional to scale. We asked that folks be creative.

1. Not to be pedantic, but how would any home not be able to be walked around in? The very essence of visiting the home allows for walking inside of it. Its why we cant place things in front of doors else they get "red borders".
2. I never suggested that anyone did anything wrong. What I stated is that cobbling facade building has severe advantages over functional building in game. Spamming 700 furnishing items into a screenshot, FOR a screenshot is not the same thing as fleshing out a full build, like your artists/designers do in game.

If I may,
Please be more specific in the future. There are a myriad of ways to create/build/furnish/decorate in ESO housing, they are not all the same. People who build for their homes to feel like they belong in game, with functionality are at a massive disadvantage vs someone who can use 700 slots to make a facade for a screenshot. In fact, I would heavily argue that the people building to make a fully functioning house in ESO while maintaining a sense of decor, artistic balance with postive and negative space, with focal points and colors are putting a metric ton more effort than a facade, or a big shiny colorful monstrosity (TV's in showroom floors are not calibrated, instead have their color saturation boosted becase bright and shiny and colorful sells, but does not mean its a good picture).

I desire fair and balanced contests. PTS building, EHT, facade building when allowed do not present a fair and balanced contest because these tools and or styles give unfair advantages to creativity and or due to home furniture limits. Players who are unaware that the judges are going to vote on specific styles, which is what happened mostly here, are not going to have a chance at winning.

ESO housing contests are pretty much this "Go Cobble or Go Home....legit builds not need apply", and it's doing a massive disservice to ESO becausee legitimate, functional homes showcasing how they can be used for play in game are not being represented or seen.

Thank you for your reply and answer.

I have a few thoughts for you. You can place furniture inside each other. You can move it how ever you want. You can turn it. You have absolute freedom. And this freedom makes ESO one of the greatest build games I have ever been in. It is absolutely amazing. Way beyond the Sims, or other mmorpgs I've tried.
I do not see a furniture as a piece of furniture. But ass a shape to be manipulated. Turned. And transformed. Creating wonderful things. It stirs my creativity. Turning a chair, a chest, and. Dwarven cog into part of a figure of a person.

I don't want to play doll house. I want to utilize the amazing tool I am given.

Now you say that people did these builds as screenshots. And they asked people to make functional homes. A functional home means that you can walk around and view it. I have seen builds made for screenshots, where the whole build only looks right from one direction. These are the builds they asked people not to do. But to make something you can explore and look at.

When we do house tours, we go out to look at art. We look at people doing crazy cool things. Big. Small. Creative. Crazy. Bringing us to a different universe.

I see house building like a theme park dark ride. So you go into the ride, and what is around you brings you into the illusion of being somewhere different. Somewhere magical. Or scary. Or funny. But if one was to put on the lights in the ride, or go behind the walls, you'd see a mess of things and the illusion is broken. I have seen houses where I am still in awe on how they did that. The world they brought me to. The view. The art. It is so amazing.

You can't tell some one, here is a ball of clay. Now don't touch it and place it down exactly as it is. I mean, some might be pleased. It can also look good in it's natural form. And it is a statement to leave it like that.
But it'd itch my fingers to bring out new shapes and explore it. See what my clay can do. What I can create. And what I can show others to blow them away.

But that I just my two cents..

You are allowed to have you opinion. But my feeling is - please others let me know if I am wrong. But that there is more people in the community that use housing like I do. This thread would be about the inn room, yes. But way more excitement about the cool builds there. And appreciation of a cool contest. And I just want to give a wish out, that we can appreciate instead of so much frustration.

Housing should always be a place of excitement, and shared love for the unique art form that ESO has allowed us to have.

By the way, are you on console? I play Xbox. I would love to see your builds as they do sound interesting.