Traders

antihero_kazuma · June 18

Is it just me, or can we no longer sort by time remaining in traders? Is this some kind of glitch?

AnonomissX · June 18

Hey I saw that on console too! Very concerning - is this a bug?

Gambit001 · June 19

I really hope this is just a bug, the intentional removal of this would be ridiculous, as that’s my primary way of searching.

valenwood_vegan · June 19

Might help to post a screenshot of what you're seeing. Sorting by time remaining works fine on PC - if they removed that option on console, I sure hope that's a bug and they fix it quickly for y'all!

SilverBride · June 19

I never knew we ever could sort by time remaining. I'm not sure how that would be helpful.

Ishtarknows · June 19

SilverBride wrote: »

I never knew we ever could sort by time remaining. I'm not sure how that would be helpful.

If you've been looking through traders for something specific, it's useful to sort by newest first so you just scan down all the newly listed items rather than sifting through items you've seen before.

Sorting by newest means you'll catch bargains too.

SilverBride · June 19

Ishtarknows wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I never knew we ever could sort by time remaining. I'm not sure how that would be helpful.

If you've been looking through traders for something specific, it's useful to sort by newest first so you just scan down all the newly listed items rather than sifting through items you've seen before.

Sorting by newest means you'll catch bargains too.

I never thought of that. I'll have to check it out now... if it's working!

Thanks!

valenwood_vegan · June 19

SilverBride wrote: »

Ishtarknows wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I never knew we ever could sort by time remaining. I'm not sure how that would be helpful.

If you've been looking through traders for something specific, it's useful to sort by newest first so you just scan down all the newly listed items rather than sifting through items you've seen before.

Sorting by newest means you'll catch bargains too.

I never thought of that. I'll have to check it out now... if it's working!

Thanks!

Indeed, it's always been my default way to search just like, general good deals. At least when I was a more active trader. I'd run around to top trading locations every morning and sort by most recent, since a) good deals likely wouldn't remain up for very long so they'd usually show up on the first couple of pages of listings; and b) I wouldn't be looking at listings I'd already seen the day before.

DragonRacer · June 19

Yeeeeah this is a HUGE issue for buyers and sellers because a lot of folks on console sort by listing date to see the newest items listed.

That option is now gone. Entirely. Whole column option for that has been wished into the cornfield with today’s update.

AND WE’RE ONLY ONE WEEK AWAY FROM THE BIGGEST TRADER EVENT OF THE YEAR - ZEAL OF ZENITHAR.

Betting it won’t be fixed before then.

Pretty disappointing from a trader guild GM standpoint. @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno is this an intended change?

DragonRacer · June 19

Okaaaaay, so mobile version of the site doesn't wanna take a screenshot upload, so lemme just do a convoluted work-around to do this via desktop, I guess...

Hotdog_23 · June 19

Oh no, I really hope this is a bug fixed soon and brought back quickly.

Stay safe

DragonRacer · June 19

Giving this a morning bump because it really needs official acknowledgment.

valenwood_vegan · June 19

Yikes! That's worse than I thought, I was thinking just the ability to sort was gone. Removing the whole category entirely is a mess. @ZOS_Kevin can you help our console friends out and check on this?

Giraffon · June 19

The only way this is okay is if they are doing it in preparation for some other QOL update that involves guild traders. And if they're doing that...it's time to tell us what they are planning.

DragonRacer · June 19

I can't imagine this is intended or in preparation of anything since the PC folks are saying nothing has changed for them.

So how does PC get the update and be fine, but ours removes AN ENTIRE SORTING COLUMN? Is it tied to giving us add-on support? It's the only difference I can think of between the platform updates.

It's just... it's heartbreaking. I know that sounds over the top, but let me explain trading guild life on console: we do not have TTC or any way of conveniently finding out Thing X is available at Trade Y (and by all reports, that is NOT coming with our add-on support once it's turned on). We have to go trader to trader. You can search by stuff you need, or item quality, or amount you wanna spend, sure, but anyone who shops a lot or sells a lot or is just, in general, trader-savvy sorts by time left. Because you wanna see the freshest "14 days left" listings. That is where you find bargains if someone underpriced or find stuff maybe you have been looking for forever before someone else snags it. As trading guild GMs, we are always encouraging our members to keep listings fresh - pull older listings and relist stuff so the people sorting for that "14 days left" will see your goods at the top.

This is staple. This is IMPORTANT for console guild traders. And now it is GONE a WEEK before the biggest guild trader event of the year. An event we have been anticipating since last year, an event for which I have spent a MONTH doing extra fundraisers to try and ensure my guild can feast during it... and now we are ALL going to suffer from the removal of this option.

Is it game-breaking? No. Of course buyers can still search by other means. But this hurts a LOT and the fact that the one way to really harm console trading is the one thing to happen to us before our biggest time of year is just... there are no words.

I'd give just about anything for this update to have happened three weeks from now and not when it did.

LootAllTheStuff · June 19

I can confirm that this is exactly the same on XB-NA. It appears that this change - which is new with Update 46 for console - is to accommodate the green "learnable" icon which now appears to the left of the item icon in the list. Which is silly, because the item card still shows on the right and tells you whether or not you have learned the motif (or whatever) already.

Also not liking the transparency on the whole UI - I don't need to see the store keeper lurking in the background, thank you.

DragonRacer · June 19

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

I can confirm that this is exactly the same on XB-NA. It appears that this change - which is new with Update 46 for console - is to accommodate the green "learnable" icon which now appears to the left of the item icon in the list. Which is silly, because the item card still shows on the right and tells you whether or not you have learned the motif (or whatever) already.

Also not liking the transparency on the whole UI - I don't need to see the store keeper lurking in the background, thank you.

That was also my thought, but the folks on PC got the same change but didn't lose their column so it's making me scratch my head.

I haven't updated my PS4 yet to check there (only my PS5), is anyone on an older gen console seeing this same issue?

LootAllTheStuff · June 19

This, along with trader searches and crafting options apparently no longer being tracked between sessions, makes for an interesting set of unannounced changes.

demonology89 · June 19

I understand the patch dropped yesterday for consoles, but some kind of acknowledgement if this is intended or a bug would be great.

ALSO, when using the ragpicker assistant, every time I go to decon, the list of items keeps being reset to include banked items even after I turn it off.

Gambit001 · June 19

Yeah, the lack of time sort and the fact that settings aren’t being saved (if you choose “quests only” for crafting, or disable the auto delete for mail, as well as all your trader search history) are HUGE issues that needs to be fixed ASAP!
@ZOS_Kevin Help Us! 🙏🏼

AnonomissX · June 19

Ok I looked and if you scroll through the list, the time remaining appears on the right. Very wonky and non-intuitive compared to before but the info IS there. Please change this ZOS!

Hypnotica713 · June 19

DragonRacer wrote: »

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

I can confirm that this is exactly the same on XB-NA. It appears that this change - which is new with Update 46 for console - is to accommodate the green "learnable" icon which now appears to the left of the item icon in the list. Which is silly, because the item card still shows on the right and tells you whether or not you have learned the motif (or whatever) already.

Also not liking the transparency on the whole UI - I don't need to see the store keeper lurking in the background, thank you.

That was also my thought, but the folks on PC got the same change but didn't lose their column so it's making me scratch my head.

I haven't updated my PS4 yet to check there (only my PS5), is anyone on an older gen console seeing this same issue?

Yes. I am on PS4 still, and it is the same

DragonRacer · June 19

Yes, technically the information still exists, but in no usable sorting format, thereby making it utterly useless.

demonology89 · June 19

Oh that is an AWFUL UI change for days left. It was much better as a sorting format!

DragonRacer · June 19

For giggles, I spent the usual millennia it takes for PS4 to download and "copy files" for an update. And the 84 years it takes to load in. This is, indeed, a store issue on PS4 NA as well.

I didn't think I'd find anything different but, you know, just trying to troubleshoot best as I can while ZOS doesn't acknowledge this is a thing that now exists a week before the largest guild trader event of the year.

Yes, I am going to continue harping on that because, yes, it's a big flipping deal on console that this has happened. I am genuinely in awe of this timing and that is not even remotely a compliment.

ZOS_Kevin · June 19

Hi all, this was an intentional change made to make room for some new icons. However, the team is looking at a better way to format this to have sort by time back in for traders, while still having room for the icons. We have shared this thread with the team so they understand player sentiment around this. We will update once we have an solution to this. Thank you.

Gambit001 · June 19

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, this was an intentional change made to make room for some new icons. However, the team is looking at a better way to format this to have sort by time back in for traders, while still having room for the icons. We have shared this thread with the team so they understand player sentiment around this. We will update once we have an solution to this. Thank you.

This is good to hear @ZOS_Kevin , maybe just turn the sort by unit cost into a drop down when clicked? And have it allow options (Unit Cost (descending), Unit Cost (ascending), Time Remaining (descending), and Time Remaining (ascending))? This would allow you to not need to add another column or reduce the size of any existing columns, while retaining all functionality it had before.

Also, what about the issue with none of the settings savings between character swaps/logout? Like “Quest Only” for Crafting, Disabling the auto delete for mails, and the search history for Traders?

BahometZ · June 19

I'm glad zos are aware of it but holy hell, using "sort by time" is a staple of canny trading. Im really perplexed why they would just remove it so perfunctorily.

DragonRacer · June 19

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, this was an intentional change made to make room for some new icons. However, the team is looking at a better way to format this to have sort by time back in for traders, while still having room for the icons. We have shared this thread with the team so they understand player sentiment around this. We will update once we have an solution to this. Thank you.

I am immensely glad to hear you have shared the feedback of this thread with the team. I presume there is no hope of this being fixed before Zeal of Zenithar launches on Tuesday? This is the WORST timing of such an unannounced, major change to guild traders. I do not mean this cruelly, but I am genuinely gobsmacked.

It's also a bit perplexing because we literally JUST had a first-ever guild summit with ZOS a few months ago. I realize the team cannot discuss certain things in advance, but something THIS impactful could have literally been asked of the gathered GMs at the summit (I was among them) and you would have instantly had real time feedback that could have prevented this. Now, instead, everyone is scrambling and console trading guilds are pretty upset and riled up.

ZOS_Kevin · June 19

DragonRacer wrote: »

I am immensely glad to hear you have shared the feedback of this thread with the team. I presume there is no hope of this being fixed before Zeal of Zenithar launches on Tuesday?

Being fixed before Zeal of Zenithar is probably not going to happen. Totally understand the frustration with the timing and will highlight this point with the team.

DragonRacer wrote: »

It's also a bit perplexing because we literally JUST had a first-ever guild summit with ZOS a few months ago. I realize the team cannot discuss certain things in advance, but something THIS impactful could have literally been asked of the gathered GMs at the summit (I was among them) and you would have instantly had real time feedback that could have prevented this. Now, instead, everyone is scrambling and console trading guilds are pretty upset and riled up.

This is a fair point. And again, will take this to the team to find better ways to talk about some of these changes earlier, where possible. Appreciate the feedback here and your participation in our Guild Summit earlier in the year.

manukartofanu · June 19

This is literally the most important feature in search. Removing the price-per-stack column wouldn’t be that painful—it would be enough to show the info on the right, the same way it’s currently done for the remaining time.