Racial Motifs Prices!!! What should be their prices?

FelixDeAssassini

I have to say Racial Motif style are in high demand I believe they should be brought down in price when selling I mean it's hard enough to make money as it is but hey this is just my thought into this what Do you guys think?

mutharex

It's an Open Market, people will sell for what they can get away with, if no one buys books for high price, they will have to go cheaper

Cayce_of_Kata

I bought one for 1000 gold, saw the same motif a day later for three times that. Market hasn't stabilized into a normal yet. Give it some time to settle.

Frosthawk

Maybe by tier 1 1000g, t2 2000g ... and so on, somethin like that sounds reasonable when its easy to get that money but finding motifs isn't.

darkkterror_ESO

Their price is whatever people are willing to pay for them.

FelixDeAssassini

True I just think it's crazy some people want to charge 10k for a motif ahhh

Thete

FelixDeAssassini wrote: »

True I just think it's crazy some people want to charge 10k for a motif ahhh

And if you had a motif going spare, and someone offered to buy it for 10k, would you decline? Can't blame people for wanting to make hay while the sun shines. By the time I have anything worth selling, the market will probably have cooled right down.

FelixDeAssassini

@Thete‌ yes I see where they're getting into I hope I find some soon so far only 3 and I've used them up

Khenarthi

I sold 2 altmer books for 1000 gold each and before that a khajiit book for whatever the other player had available to trade - got 500 something gold plus a few runes and I was happy with it.

More than 1500 gold is excessive in my opinion... unless it's one of those super rare motif books like daedric or ancient elven.

Miths

Can these be sold on the guild store? I looked through the item categories last night and didn't see any (might very well just have been gone given their popularity of course).

Hawke

There is no "world" economy. Only local economies within player organizations. The /zone selling is just a hit or miss, and remember , most are new players, they dont have more than 2,000 on them anyways.

I remember a guy was in /zone wanting to sell a blue level 5 provision recipe. He asked me how much I wanted to buy it for... I told him 100 gold. He came back with 500, I told him no.

It's all about what you are willing to spend. If a Daedra motif came out, I have no problem seeing it being asked for like 50,000.

lolage

You can get them cheaper in the first zone you enter (the one where your character wakes up), the higher level the area sees people trying to extort more money from players for some reason, eejits the lot of them. Usually can find racial motifs for at least half-price; non-racials are much much rarer and the finder can pretty much name their price.

Kiash

I wouldn't pay more than 500g for a motif right now. They are going to be falling out everyone's ears in 2 months time and worth nothing.

Thete

Hawke wrote: »

There is no "world" economy. Only local economies within player organizations. The /zone selling is just a hit or miss, and remember , most are new players, they dont have more than 2,000 on them anyways.

This is true, but like the closed economies in the real world, there are bound to be conduits develop to smooth things out on the most popular items for trade.

illogicbh

Dont buy any right now. The odds of you not finding one you want or all of them by the time you hit 50 are very slim. People are just taking advantage of the low levels that don't know how common the motifs are if you take the time to look for them.

Khenarthi

I guess I have been extremely lucky, I have found all normal racial books quite quickly. I do not need other copies so I'll sell those to whoever wants them. 1000 gold does not seem too much as gold in this game is not difficult to come by, but even if I had not found any, I personally would not buy them as they will spawn sooner or later.

But I do peek into every chest of drawers, nightable, and trunk.

roigseguib16_ESO

Right now the situation is: the most common and cheaper (Altmer, Bosmer, breton..) are arround 1.5k or 2k. The Imperial is arround 20k, Daedric 40k, Ancient Elves arround 50k.. People is starting to get crazy. I have even seen a website where people sell Racial Motifs with real money (50€ for the Ancient Elves or so).
In my opinion, should work like many other things: as a private item. Players should be able to find all of them, depending the zone, the alliance and the level, but not making it a competition, because there will always be someone who spends more time in the game, know how to farm them, and will get it before you because he is going to earn 50€ for each one. IDK but it seems like the Vampire and Werewolf bite all over again.

rawne1980b16_ESO

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

Right now the situation is: the most common and cheaper (Altmer, Bosmer, breton..) are arround 1.5k or 2k. The Imperial is arround 20k, Daedric 40k, Ancient Elves arround 50k..

After the container stealth nerf, at least in EU Ebonheart, the prices have gone through the roof.

100-200k for rare motifs and "common" ones are starting to creep upwards to silly prices.

People in Shadowfen last night were paying about 23k for Argonian.

Now congratulate ZOS in it's fight against the gold sellers .... by making them more gold.

AreoHotah

I remember in the first 5-10 days after launch i was snatching motifs out of guild stores for 50-200gold and resell them for 3k. now i know all motifs except for daedric and imperial wich i will never buy unless the prices drop at least 60%. daedric looks mediocre anyway.

zaria

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

Right now the situation is: the most common and cheaper (Altmer, Bosmer, breton..) are arround 1.5k or 2k. The Imperial is arround 20k, Daedric 40k, Ancient Elves arround 50k.. People is starting to get crazy. I have even seen a website where people sell Racial Motifs with real money (50€ for the Ancient Elves or so).
In my opinion, should work like many other things: as a private item. Players should be able to find all of them, depending the zone, the alliance and the level, but not making it a competition, because there will always be someone who spends more time in the game, know how to farm them, and will get it before you because he is going to earn 50€ for each one. IDK but it seems like the Vampire and Werewolf bite all over again.

In AD it looks like common racial is off the guild chat, sold one for 1200 and bought one for 1250 a bit over a week ago but now they are not in zone chat anymore. Decent chance the ones who are interested in motif has all the common.

Found three more after that, will probably give away to guild, yes that is three motif in one week.

For the rare one, i have seen WTB daeric 120k, part might be that some players has lots of gold and yes reducing the drop rate would increase price and keep the price up longer, increasing drop rate would cause prices to drop.

As I understand the container nerf is that if you open lots of containers in a row you will start getting empty ones so you can not farm them effectively anymore.
Yes it probably works with bots and multiboxing.

zhevon

It should be pointed out in my guild - that normal racial motifs at 1000 gold or so had been on the marked for days.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

One of the guilds i am all the normal ones are sitting at 500 a pop. Which i think is reasonable. Like someone said by the time you are 50 you may be close to having them all anyway, but 500 for one i think looks cool so i can have it now is reasonable to me.

Now the rare ones... I would charge as much as i could, and i expect anyone else to do the same.

Falmer

I don't get why people buy them myself. All you have to do is open desks and trunks when you find them and you get them pretty quickly.

mips_winnt

FelixDeAssassini wrote: »

I have to say Racial Motif style are in high demand I believe they should be brought down in price when selling I mean it's hard enough to make money as it is but hey this is just my thought into this what Do you guys think?

Basic economics, the prices will be whatever someone is willing to pay for them (i.e. the highest bidder). Price follows supply and demand thus the reason for the elevated prices of the motifs you want, as you say they are in HIGH DEMAND. As far as "bringing them down in price" that will only happen when ;

a.) demand falls
b.) supply increases
c.) a combination of A and B

To be perfectly honest I'm amazed when people complain about "high prices" in MMO's since nobody is forced to buy anything, if the price of an item is greater than what you're willing to pay the solution is DON'T BUY IT.

rawne1980b16_ESO

mips_winnt wrote: »

To be perfectly honest I'm amazed when people complain about "high prices" in MMO's since nobody is forced to buy anything, if the price of an item is greater than what you're willing to pay the solution is DON'T BUY IT.

My problem isn't the price increase, it's that people with names like
"hgysgheg" are selling them cheaper than regular players so guess where peoples gold is going.

Gold sellers and farmers are having gold thrown at them at the moment.

The lower drop rates means bots and farmers are going to have an easier time getting them which means they will have more to sell which mean people like me will give them gold because our drop rates suck.

I've found 3 motifs total since day one of early access. I admit, RNG hates me. So I buy them. I don't care if it's Average Joe or Mrglhhys that gets my gold, it depends who is selling them cheaper.

When Average Joe is selling motifs between 5k and 200k depending on rarity and Botter Mcloud is selling them between 500 and 50k then i'm going to go cheap.

People will argue that giving botters gold is bad .... i'll argue back that Average Joe should stop being a greedy git and I wouldn't have to throw my money in the wrong direction.

mips_winnt

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

mips_winnt wrote: »

To be perfectly honest I'm amazed when people complain about "high prices" in MMO's since nobody is forced to buy anything, if the price of an item is greater than what you're willing to pay the solution is DON'T BUY IT.

People will argue that giving botters gold is bad .... i'll argue back that Average Joe should stop being a greedy git and I wouldn't have to throw my money in the wrong direction.

I'm not going to argue one way or the other about "giving botters gold" that's a personal choice and I offer no judgment either way (I rarely buy anything or sell anything from/to other players so I have no dog in that hunt), however let me point that "Average Joe" isn't being greedy "Average Joe" is offering an item for sale at a price that's WORTH IT TO HIM, in other words "Average Joe" will sell something when the utility of the something is worth less to him than what someone else is willing to pay for it, if what someone else is willing to pay for it is worth LESS than what the something is worth the "Average Joe" then "Average Joe" isn't going to expend the effort and forgo the utility to sell that something.

Internal value calculations operate for both the buyer AND THE SELLER.

Zershar_Vemod

#1-9 are really only worth ~200-700 if even, if you paid more than that, you are a sucker.

As for #10-14, supply and demand; I've seem prices in that range go from around 10k-60k, which is silly.

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I currently have all of #1-9, and only spent a few thousand gold - the basic motifs are not worth that much.

nerevarine1138

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

People will argue that giving botters gold is bad .... i'll argue back that Average Joe should stop being a greedy git and I wouldn't have to throw my money in the wrong direction.

Your lack of morals is not a failing on the part of people who are playing the game legally and honestly.

wrlifeboil

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

#1-9 are really only worth ~200-700 if even, if you paid more than that, you are a sucker.

As for #10-14, supply and demand; I've seem prices in that range go from around 10k-60k, which is silly.

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I currently have all of #1-9, and only spent a few thousand gold - the basic motifs are not worth that much.

Prices dropped fast on 1-9 and there isn't even an auction house in the game. Go back and read all the forum message from the posters who said that putting in an auction house would cause prices to drop and laugh.

mips_winnt

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

#1-9 are really only worth ~200-700 if even, if you paid more than that, you are a sucker.

As for #10-14, supply and demand; I've seem prices in that range go from around 10k-60k, which is silly.

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I currently have all of #1-9, and only spent a few thousand gold - the basic motifs are not worth that much.

XYZ price may seem silly to YOU but that's based on your own internal calculation of value, the next person might find it perfectly reasonable. Before you go calling people "suckers" you might want to do a little homework on praxeology (specifically catallactics) . The term sucker would be applicable only if the person involved was being duped which is not the case here since the buyer knows exactly what he/she is getting and exactly the price that is being paid.

For example:

Joe Schmoe that makes $50K a year might say that paying $50 million dollars for a home is "foolish", while Bill Gates who's worth billions finds a $50 million dollar home cheap and has no problem paying that price, is Bill Gates a "sucker" ?

Eris

I've managed to get all the basic motifs for free by just playing the game. I've sent duplicates to my roommate and then my alts. It's not hard to get them, it just takes some time. I'm not veteran yet, so I don't have any of the veteran motifs, but that again will just be time.