ESO Tavern in Germany

sshogrin · May 20

Why does Europe get these get togethers and the US gets snubbed out?
We were told that the US stuff was cancelled for budget or whatever else reasons...but it seems it's okay to keep doing these in EU.
Bethesda is snubbing a big portion of their community.

MAOofDC · May 20

I was literally coming into the forums to make this same complaint. I was really looking forward to the US 10 year anniversary real world event that was happening near me, then they cancelled it. I was very disappointed and hurt that EU got to celebrate ESO with the devs but the US got left out because of funding issues.

Now here it is a year later and EU is getting another real world ESO event. Meanwhile US fans are being left out in the cold.

tomofhyrule · May 20

Yep. Expected that.

I'm really salty. I was looking forward to the ability to see my ESO friends IRL, but looks like the only way that's possible is if we all decide to jet off to Europe.

EU got the anniversary one. NA didn't. EU's had the Taverns even after COVID. NA's meetups used to be Bethesda Game Days at PAX before I started playing, and that hasn't happened since the pandemic.

Syldras · May 20

I don't think they really want to favor one part of their customer base over another one, especially since it's not a small one. Maybe the safety requirements here are easier to meet (would be my guess, as someone who's been to lots of events in rural Germany in the past - concerts, medieval fairs, things like that), so it's easier to organize such a meeting here? But of course I don't know. I think it would be good if ZOS made a statement about that, as I fully see the whole issue is disappointing for non-European players.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I was looking forward to the ability to see my ESO friends IRL, but looks like the only way that's possible is if we all decide to jet off to Europe.

Maybe players could organize a meeting themselves? Of course it wouldn't be the same, but if it's about meeting your online friends, I think something like that is arrangeable at least.

katanagirl1 · May 20

There was a big celebration over in Europe last year and when US players asked about it, we were told there would be one here the following year. Then we were told it wouldn’t happen but given some vague reason, then the European ones have started up again. How can you not feel slighted? Especially as a console player, how we were told there would be a big celebration for that too. Nothing but crickets.

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Urzigurumash · May 20

Europe is much more densely populated and their cities are connected by passenger rail.

No matter where you host it in the States it's a 2 day drive away from half the population, or whatever.

Same reason bands that have huge concerts in Europe get like 100 attendees in most of the shows in the states.

katanagirl1 · May 21

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Europe is much more densely populated and their cities are connected by passenger rail.

No matter where you host it in the States it's a 2 day drive away from half the population, or whatever.

Same reason bands that have huge concerts in Europe get like 100 attendees in most of the shows in the states.

So that’s a reason to not have them here? If it’s too far to drive then we can book an airline flight to wherever.

RagnarSw · May 21

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Europe is much more densely populated and their cities are connected by passenger rail.

No matter where you host it in the States it's a 2 day drive away from half the population, or whatever.

Same reason bands that have huge concerts in Europe get like 100 attendees in most of the shows in the states.

Funfact. About half of the US population is in the eastern time zone. But as another has said, there are airplanes. I just went to PAX in Boston and I flew there. Final Fantasy hosts a fanfest every other year with over 10K people and it sells out in minutes. They have no issues. I guess it shows the vast difference in popularity between ESO and FFXIV. The issue most people are feeling is that the ESO team has no problem traveling all over the world, but refuses to hold anything in the country their company is actually based in. They then used a generic excuse about money and wanting to focus on the game. But then right back to hosting events on the other side of the world. Too bad that money and time isn't being used towards the back end code rewrite they promised us like 6 years ago.

Urzigurumash · May 21

And the other half is a two day drive from Boston though. Ok so do one on each coast, Bay Area and Boston. Still a jaunt for people in TX and FL which is lots of people. Ok so do 3.

Now you've got 3 events to be within a 1 day drive for 120 million people each - versus the event near Leipzig that's a 1 day drive for 500m people.

Right?

Urzigurumash · May 21

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Europe is much more densely populated and their cities are connected by passenger rail.

No matter where you host it in the States it's a 2 day drive away from half the population, or whatever.

Same reason bands that have huge concerts in Europe get like 100 attendees in most of the shows in the states.

So that’s a reason to not have them here? If it’s too far to drive then we can book an airline flight to wherever.

Yeah like Leipzig? Sure, lass uns gehen

Calastir · May 21

So either;
- gain entry for €45 but arrange your own accomodations,
- bring your own tent to sleep in for €75,
- or share a youth hostel room in the castle with 1-7 people for €115.

Can't find any info on sanitation, even though it's 3 days and 2 nights.
This may sound ok to others but as it stands none of these options work for me, thanks.

RagnarSw · May 21

Urzigurumash wrote: »

And the other half is a two day drive from Boston though. Ok so do one on each coast, Bay Area and Boston. Still a jaunt for people in TX and FL which is lots of people. Ok so do 3.

Now you've got 3 events to be within a 1 day drive for 120 million people each - versus the event near Leipzig that's a 1 day drive for 500m people.

Right?

Well about 75% of the population of the US would be within a day drive of the eastern time zone. That was the point. Also, you still seem to not understand there are airplanes which is the preferred mode of transportation in the US. Finally, going to throw out that not 100M are attending these events.

barney2525 · May 21

I don't understand the surprise. Everything IRL in ESEO has happened in Europe since I can remember.

It's why I don't pay attention to any of the IRL stuff and just enjoy the game. I'll never be able to afford a trip to Europe and I have no relatives of friends there.

Cooperharley · May 21

It is kind of ridiculous that the 10 year anniversary event in the US was cancelled, likely for financial reasons albeit untold, and then EU gets another event in a castle?? Like what?? Lol

katanagirl1 · May 21

Urzigurumash wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Europe is much more densely populated and their cities are connected by passenger rail.

No matter where you host it in the States it's a 2 day drive away from half the population, or whatever.

Same reason bands that have huge concerts in Europe get like 100 attendees in most of the shows in the states.

So that’s a reason to not have them here? If it’s too far to drive then we can book an airline flight to wherever.

Yeah like Leipzig? Sure, lass uns gehen

I don’t know what that means, but a US flight from one city to another is way cheaper than a flight to Europe.

Orbital78 · May 21

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I guess they deleted my comment, but pretty much this. US tourism is way down, if I were from a neighboring North or South American country I wouldn't feel comfortable traveling to the US right now. Kind of moot as I doubt they would have selected a location central like Chicago anyways.

Personally I would rather they concentrate funding on fixing bugs and making the game better rather than these events. That is just me though.

Tazzy · May 21

Cooperharley wrote: »

It is kind of ridiculous that the 10 year anniversary event in the US was cancelled, likely for financial reasons albeit untold, and then EU gets another event in a castle?? Like what?? Lol

This "Castle" is a Youth Hostel, it's not Castle Neu Schwanstein....
I don't want to put it down, I'm sure it's cozy, but it's definitely not a luxury property...So the costs should be kept within reasonable limits.

Syldras · May 21

Tazzy wrote: »

This "Castle" is a Youth Hostel, it's not Castle Neu Schwanstein....
I don't want to put it down, I'm sure it's cozy, but it's definitely not a luxury property...So the costs should be kept within reasonable limits.

It's a real old fortress from the 13th century, but: Old castles and such are often repurposed into hostels or used as event locations here. We just have plenty of them. You can rent them; I knew several people, who aren't wealthy at all, who rented them for their wedding celebration, for example. It's not expensive at all.

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Zodiarkslayer · May 21

I am sure the cancellation of the NA event had to do with more than just budgetary limitations. Be that as it may.

But there is also something to consider, that nobody has brought up yet. Europe is full with historical locations that date back to the middle ages. The US is not.
Nearly all of these locations are either museums, landmarks or touristically used. In addition, central europe has an extremely well developed entertainment sector for all things medieval. For example, what americans call renaissance fairs, we call Mittelaltermarkt. And in my general region you can find a "medieval market day" (litteral translation) every weekend. You just have to be willing to drive an hour. There is so much infrastructure around that is simply there and makes getting to any location so much easier than the US.

Just to make sure you guys understand what point I am making. I live about 50km away from the EU event this summer, in Thuringia. That is a 30min drive by Autobahn or 45min by Landstraße (yes, we have more than just the autobahn, get over it). But the accessbility for the "audience" isn't the point. It's the availability of all those marketeers, showmen and artists that a community event like that needs.
You know, the guys that sell real mead, made of real honey, made by real bees.
The guys that have an archery stand and let you shoot acouple of arrows.
The musicians with the bag pipes and the other weird medieval intruments.
The food guys selling you rustic bread and real Thuringian Bratwurst! (Don't take anything else, this is the real deal, not that fatty crap we export across the big pond).
All these guys can easily get to an event in the middle of nowhere, too.
Plus, Leipzig Airport is an hour away. 45min, if you hit the gas. It is a large intercontinental airport, with a lot of daily flights to nearly all european countries. That's a big factor, too.
(Fun Fact: Leipzig is where they shot the airport fight from Captain America: Civil War).

So, if I am a company that wants to organise a community event for an medieval styled mmo, I have a much easier time doing that in central europe. And with a comparatively smaller price tag, too. It's simply infrastructure.

Also, I dont get why you are all so upset. Meeting your friends irl is not depending on a company sponsored get together. If you wanna meet, organise a meet.

There are a lot of guilds that regularly do that. Although the ones that I know of are all from EU. Including mine. We still try to meet once a year, even after we stopped raiding together a long time ago.

tomofhyrule · May 21

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

I am sure the cancellation of the NA event had to do with more than just budgetary limitations. Be that as it may.

But there is also something to consider, that nobody has brought up yet. Europe is full with historical locations that date back to the middle ages. The US is not.
Nearly all of these locations are either museums, landmarks or touristically used. In addition, central europe has an extremely well developed entertainment sector for all things medieval. For example, what americans call renaissance fairs, we call Mittelaltermarkt. And in my general region you can find a "medieval market day" (litteral translation) every weekend. You just have to be willing to drive an hour. There is so much infrastructure around that is simply there and makes getting to any location so much easier than the US.

Just to make sure you guys understand what point I am making. I live about 50km away from the EU event this summer, in Thuringia. That is a 30min drive by Autobahn or 45min by Landstraße (yes, we have more than just the autobahn, get over it). But the accessbility for the "audience" isn't the point. It's the availability of all those marketeers, showmen and artists that a community event like that needs.
You know, the guys that sell real mead, made of real honey, made by real bees.
The guys that have an archery stand and let you shoot acouple of arrows.
The musicians with the bag pipes and the other weird medieval intruments.
The food guys selling you rustic bread and real Thuringian Bratwurst! (Don't take anything else, this is the real deal, not that fatty crap we export across the big pond).
All these guys can easily get to an event in the middle of nowhere, too.
Plus, Leipzig Airport is an hour away. 45min, if you hit the gas. It is a large intercontinental airport, with a lot of daily flights to nearly all european countries. That's a big factor, too.
(Fun Fact: Leipzig is where they shot the airport fight from Captain America: Civil War).

So, if I am a company that wants to organise a community event for an medieval styled mmo, I have a much easier time doing that in central europe. And with a comparatively smaller price tag, too. It's simply infrastructure.

Also, I dont get why you are all so upset. Meeting your friends irl is not depending on a company sponsored get together. If you wanna meet, organise a meet.

There are a lot of guilds that regularly do that. Although the ones that I know of are all from EU. Including mine. We still try to meet once a year, even after we stopped raiding together a long time ago.

Couple things:

If this is a medieval-style MMO, why are they going so hard to remove anything medieval-esque from the UI and replace it with sanitized modern? Especially since it's got near universal negative feedback? That makes me think that "oh, it has to be medieval!" is not on the agenda.
It's a lot harder to start something than piggyback off of something else. Trying to gather friends for the first time ever is like herding cats, whereas if you have a tradition of "hey, we always meet up in person at this time, but the event we normally go to is cancelled this year, but we're all going anyway" is a lot more reasonable.
We can all downplay how problematic things are when it doesn't affect us directly. After all, if I just edit your quote a bit, "I dont get why you are all so upset. Meeting your friends irl playing ESO is not depending on a company sponsored get together playing it right after work. If you wanna meet play during maintenance, organise a meet just play later that night.

Zama666 · May 22

All flights lead to Vegas!

anadandy · May 22

I also agree that the lack of NA/US events is very disappointing. For example: The special swag that was available for the EU anniversary event - will NA ever get a chance at that? (And yes, I'm fully aware of the delivery issues with that swag but its the principal)

Last Bethesda game days was 2020 - and even that wasn't even exclusively ESO. Same with QuakeCon and they only ever have that out West.

It would also be nice if someone from ZOS would comment on the inequity, other than to moderate the thread.

TaSheen · May 22

Zama666 wrote: »

All flights lead to Vegas!

As someone who grew up in Vegas.... that is NOT a selling point, sorry.

Urzigurumash · May 22

Zama666 wrote: »

All flights lead to Vegas!

Red Diamond residency at the Sphere!

Zodiarkslayer · May 23

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Couple things:
If this is a medieval-style MMO, why are they going so hard to remove anything medieval-esque from the UI and replace it with sanitized modern? Especially since it's got near universal negative feedback? That makes me think that "oh, it has to be medieval!" is not on the agenda.

It's a lot harder to start something than piggyback off of something else. Trying to gather friends for the first time ever is like herding cats, whereas if you have a tradition of "hey, we always meet up in person at this time, but the event we normally go to is cancelled this year, but we're all going anyway" is a lot more reasonable.

We can all downplay how problematic things are when it doesn't affect us directly. After all, if I just edit your quote a bit, "I dont get why you are all so upset. Meeting your friends irl playing ESO is not depending on a company sponsored get together playing it right after work. If you wanna meet play during maintenance, organise a meet just play later that night.

What? I don't follow. What are your points again?
1) What has the UI to do with what the World building is? When we say "medieval styled" we mean the entire Elder Scrolls universe, not just ESO. If you want to vent your frustration about the UI change, there are other threads to do that.
2) That's my point ... ? If there is some infrastructure to use and you have a large community that is predisposed to meetings, because they have done that for years, the entire event will be a huge success, even if ZOS has to invest a lot less money to host it. One shouldn't blame the EU social guilds for the commmunity work that they have been doing for years. I don't know if there are comparable social guilds on NA (I don't play NA), there probably are. But certainly the ZOS community team seems to think that they can mobilise the EU crowd better.
3) Swapping out half of the words in a comment to twist its meaning, only to give your own argument some weight is not just missleading. It is plain rude.

mrreow · May 23

Well we got all the castles and history and you don’t. It wouldn’t be very atmospheric to make eso tavern in a Walmart wouldn’t it?

anadandy · May 23

The logistics arguments are silly.
ZOS HQ is located near a major airport and a major convention center (BCC - I honestly assumed that the NA 10th anniversary would be there) . We do have these things in NA/US.

It didn't have to be in a castle or atmospheric. Bethesda Game Days were held in a comedy club/bar for crying out loud. It would just be nice to have some kind of official event.

Calastir · May 23

Indeed. The 10-year anniversary event in Amsterdam last year was held in an old sugar factory building. All they had to do was put up some fake castle walls, windows and fireplaces to create a medieval atmosphere. That could've been done anywhere in the world.

Tazzy · May 23

The main problem is actually that ZOS keeps the reasons behind the scenes. I don't understand why they are going this way, it's obvious that it will lead to angry reactions. But experience tells me that they won't comment further on this issue...