Most versatile base class for Subclassing

danko355

With the upcoming subclassing system and all the new possibilities to mix skill lines between classes, I’m wondering which class offers the most versatile foundation when building for different content types?

The two key rules for subclassing are:
1. You must keep at least one skill line from your original (base) class
2. You can’t pick more than one skill line from any other class

Considering this, which class has the strongest “core” skill lines that would be
- A solid damage line for DD roles
- Useful options for tanking/healing/support
- Competitive tools for PVP

danko355

Arcanist

Wow, I obviously expected Arc to be number 1, voted it myself. But didn’t expect Nightblade to be so close. Assassination is kinda good for Dps, and PVP-vise it’s also has some great utilities, but I assume people would pick other lines for tanking and healing.

wolfie1.0.

Nightblade

danko355 wrote: »

Wow, I obviously expected Arc to be number 1, voted it myself. But didn’t expect Nightblade to be so close. Assassination is kinda good for Dps, and PVP-vise it’s also has some great utilities, but I assume people would pick other lines for tanking and healing.

5 votes at the time you posted your comment...

It's not exactly a complete data set to start making conclusions....

Edit: and in the time I posted this it already changed 😆

AcadianPaladin

Warden

For me I think it'll be Warden.

Animal companion shalks is a great AoE with free major and minor breach. Bear is a passive solid damage ult that I never activate the special ability for so my ult stays at 500 in support of my Red CP Strategic Reserve slotted CP.

Green balance heals are strong and flexible.

Urzigurumash

Warden

Kinda need to specify 1 or 2 subclasses. I say Warden for 2 subclasses.

Arcanist and Necro seem poorly suited to 2 subclasses since they depend on Crux and Corpses.

spartaxoxo

Nightblade

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Kinda need to specify 1 or 2 subclasses. I say Warden for 2 subclasses.

Arcanist and Necro seem poorly suited to 2 subclasses since they depend on Crux and Corpses.

This is why I said Necromancer. I think most DPS are going to want to subclass Arc but I'm not so sure it's as flexible with tanks or healers.

danko355

Arcanist

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Kinda need to specify 1 or 2 subclasses. I say Warden for 2 subclasses.

Arcanist and Necro seem poorly suited to 2 subclasses since they depend on Crux and Corpses.

This is why I said Necromancer. I think most DPS are going to want to subclass Arc but I'm not so sure it's as flexible with tanks or healers.

Arc is also good for base class, because only then you will be able to take a banner with class mastery and generate crux. Sure, you can subclass Herald of the tome from any other class, but you won’t get this passive overpowered Crux generation.

spartaxoxo

Nightblade

danko355 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Kinda need to specify 1 or 2 subclasses. I say Warden for 2 subclasses.

Arcanist and Necro seem poorly suited to 2 subclasses since they depend on Crux and Corpses.

This is why I said Necromancer. I think most DPS are going to want to subclass Arc but I'm not so sure it's as flexible with tanks or healers.

Arc is also good for base class, because only then you will be able to take a banner with class mastery and generate crux. Sure, you can subclass Herald of the tome from any other class, but you won’t get this passive overpowered Crux generation.

That's true, the banner does really help with the Crux generation that the other non-dps skill lines rely on to be good.

ImmortalCX

Why nightblade? What skill lines would make it the complete package?

I figured the opposite, every other class would take the Assasination skill line leaving Nightblade obsolete.

o_Primate_o

Necromancer

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Why nightblade? What skill lines would make it the complete package?

I figured the opposite, every other class would take the Assasination skill line leaving Nightblade obsolete.

Assassination passives and it's ulti buff

danko355

Arcanist

o_Primate_o wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Why nightblade? What skill lines would make it the complete package?

I figured the opposite, every other class would take the Assasination skill line leaving Nightblade obsolete.

Assassination passives and it's ulti buff

Yes, but that’s the point, only assassination stands out, so you can choose any other class and take assassination as a subtree. You don’t need to be a nightblade for this

Renato90085

Arcanist

Other 6 class have 1-3(haha sorc)skill line is trash
So I choose arc,Pve all role T0-T1
PvP bad but now arc can use nb spam(main problem cleaned

Urzigurumash

Warden

Renato90085 wrote: »

Other 6 class have 1-3(haha sorc)skill line is trash
So I choose arc,Pve all role T0-T1
PvP bad but now arc can use nb spam(main problem cleaned

But you have to take a nerf to your shields by dropping Curative Runeforms? This shield passive alone makes 1 subclass Arc questionable to me for PvP.

Arc seems like an even poorer choice for PvP if you want 2 new subclasses, you'll be starved of Crux?

It leading this poll must mean the poll is leaning towards PvE.

Twohothardware

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Renato90085 wrote: »

Other 6 class have 1-3(haha sorc)skill line is trash
So I choose arc,Pve all role T0-T1
PvP bad but now arc can use nb spam(main problem cleaned

But you have to take a nerf to your shields by dropping Curative Runeforms? This shield passive alone makes 1 subclass Arc questionable to me for PvP.

Arc seems like an even poorer choice for PvP if you want 2 new subclasses, you'll be starved of Crux?

It leading this poll must mean the poll is leaning towards PvE.

Many voting probably haven't even played on the PTS so are just going based on the public QQ about Fatecarver.

Elvenheart

I would like to vote just to see the results, but I don’t want to skew the data and honestly, I really have no idea at this point, and I would like to know the answer to this myself so I’m just reading the comments.

Twohothardware

Elvenheart wrote: »

I would like to vote just to see the results, but I don’t want to skew the data and honestly, I really have no idea at this point, and I would like to know the answer to this myself so I’m just reading the comments.

You can click to view the results without voting.

Elvenheart

Twohothardware wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

I would like to vote just to see the results, but I don’t want to skew the data and honestly, I really have no idea at this point, and I would like to know the answer to this myself so I’m just reading the comments.

You can click to view the results without voting.

Oh, thanks!

Hypertionb14_ESO

Nightblade

Arc was my first choice and while its obvious, i felt the need to vote NB because of various benefits it will get from various subclasses. NB really has the worst base kit for most roles, falling behind in the trinity in most ways despite you always wanting a NB healer in trials.

The fact its so far behind means it stands the most to gain, and will see the most benefit overall. Arcanist is so versatile already it is just going to be better when specialized. Keep your role relevant tree and spec in more role relevant trees. to a lesser degree Warden and Necromancer will beenfit to the same way due to following this "tree per role" style.

NB doesnt really have that.. its old school, built to the theme of the class more than the roles for it to play.

so ya, i 100% agree with this poll so far.. Arc is just that good and NB has the most to gain.. everything else is "awesome as is" and/or will not benefit as much from subbing.

SpiritKitten

Warden

I main a warden for pvp and pve, and warden has damage (on two trees), heals (on two trees) and tanking. Warden doesn't even need subclassing, but I'm gonna do it anyway for a change.

Iselin

Sorcerer

I mostly solo content including dungeons and WBs, so for me keeping Storm Calling and Daedric skill lines are a must for Crit Surge, Hurricane, and the shields as well as passives. Thinking of adding the NB Assassination for great passives, Relentless Focus, etc.

tsaescishoeshiner

I believe Arcanist is one of the least versatile base classes for DPS. All three skill lines have skills that grant you crux, which is helpful even as a DPS. Using an arcanist skill line as a non-arcanist DPS means your heal can't grant your Crux, whereas you can gain it as a base arcanist. So you lose out on versatility and build synergy. Scribing overcomes that somewhat--you can turn Wield Soul into a heal or damage shield that grants Crux as a base class arcanist.

o_Primate_o

Necromancer

danko355 wrote: »

o_Primate_o wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Why nightblade? What skill lines would make it the complete package?

I figured the opposite, every other class would take the Assasination skill line leaving Nightblade obsolete.

Assassination passives and it's ulti buff

Yes, but that’s the point, only assassination stands out, so you can choose any other class and take assassination as a subtree. You don’t need to be a nightblade for this

Oh. I missed the point. I don't think it matters where you start, you're just stuck with one subtree from whatever class you start with, which is a moot point cuz you can just switch toons.

Hapexamendios

Necromancer

It was a tough call between necro and arcanist, but I like the necro skills sets for tanking and healing better than the arcanist. Arcanist has better dos skills imo.

Renato90085

Arcanist

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Renato90085 wrote: »

Other 6 class have 1-3(haha sorc)skill line is trash
So I choose arc,Pve all role T0-T1
PvP bad but now arc can use nb spam(main problem cleaned

But you have to take a nerf to your shields by dropping Curative Runeforms? This shield passive alone makes 1 subclass Arc questionable to me for PvP.

Arc seems like an even poorer choice for PvP if you want 2 new subclasses, you'll be starved of Crux?

It leading this poll must mean the poll is leaning towards PvE.

Yes, because other class have flaws skill line
and only arc/necro can have more Crux and corpse for skill(scribing)
so i choose arc or necro
and necro is weakest class in pvp( and i test pts corpse nerf in pvp so hardest than now)

AusarViled

Up to interpretation, but I see Dragonknight as a good base starter purely for its racial line up "Battle Roar" with Stonefist and Petrify. Combine this with Templar Solar Barrage + Dawn's wrath buffs for your party for spamming barge. Finally add to it the Warden's Pet and you got a perfect lazy build.

jhall03

Templar

Templar for class mastery. I think the rest are all also really good, except sorc, which is is unfortunately my main.

Eliahnus

To me it seems the results are no more than a poll about the most popular class...

Jestir

Nightblade

Assassination is the best skill line damage wise, any other combo gets better having even just the ult slotter. Siphoning has the ultimate potion passive and unlimited sustain which will have their uses. Shadow is kinda forgettable outside of how it is gonna destroy PvP.

Arcanist isn't versatile, you will be beaming. It's the obvious strongest base as you get crux class script but the "versatility" is LOL worthy. The support line is dead with the nerf to zenas. The tank line literally just has rune of colorless pool with minor brittle and vulnerability that can be gotten elsewhere, but admittedly that is by far the easiest way to do it.

Treeshka

I guess Arcanist because class script allows you to get crux.

Tariq9898

Do y’all think DK might just be better off as a pure class? Given how inflexible it is! 😅

Edit: actually scratch that. I could see DK being versatile for tanking. But DPS?? Don’t know…

SpiritKitten

Warden

Tariq9898 wrote: »

Do y’all DK might just be better off as a pure class? Given how inflexible it is! 😅

Edit: actually scratch that. I could see DK being versatile for tanking. But DPS?? Don’t know…

It's good with a two-hander, I think.