Suggest me some non-Trial mid range Sets for a StamPlar?

ArchMikem

It's been a hot while since I last played one, and I just power leveled a StamPlar so it's time to gear it. I don't want to default to what my StamBlade is wearing as she's specifically a Crit Kitty, would you lot maybe suggest me some sets to go after for a StamPlar? Preferably anything not from Trials as I very rarely go into those, and if I can craft them, all the better.

I'm mainly aiming for a Single Target StamPlar, Dual Wield/Bow build.

Ilsabet

Not sure about a full build that doesn't include trial sets, but Deadly Strike is good for jabs and Jesus beam.

fred4

There's always the question "for what purpose". Also, are you sure you're a stamplar? We're in a hybrid meta and J-Beam is too strong to ignore. The only outstanding templar skill. So, if you use Jabs or Sweeps and J-Beam, I'll second a recommendation for Deadly Strike.

Nightblade and templar share the +10% crit damage passive. It makes sense to build for crit on both classes. The obvious thing is to craft Order's Wrath. For group PvE in general, crit rules.

I have a Redguard stamplar myself, but I've been a long-time magicka player, e.g. I like healing from damage. This is something you more easily find among magicka builds, absent Pale Order. Anyway, I'll list some setups I've used or heard about:

PvP Redguard magplar, using Sweeps, but on a stam race (cause that's the race my character happens to be): Front bar Deadly Strike, back bar Wretched Vitality, monster = Balorgh, mythic = Esoteric Greaves. I use the Redguard and Wretched Vitality sustain as a defensive measure in this build, e.g. to keep the Greaves in the green zone. In general I would go for a 1H+S back in PvP, on a templar, since I think it suits the class (or just my playstyle) to pop the 1H+S ult as often as an offensive one.

The other PvP setup, that's been repeatedly mentioned to me, is Mechanical Acuity front bar, Rallying Cry back bar, monster set and mythic of choice, such as Saint and Seducer for the mythic.

I also do Infinite Archive on my Redguard templar where I, again, use the Esoteric Greaves, in this case to deal with marauders up to around arc 5 solo. Front bar Infused Torug's Pact with a Weakening enchant, back bar Unleashed Terror for the guaranteed AOE status effect over a long duration with Explosive Charge. Zaan monster set. These measures deal with marauders on the one hand, and build for Focused Efforts on the other. In arc 1, though, you can wear a more conventional build.

For PvE, I'm afraid I'm a magplar through and through, e.g. Deadly Strike, Whorl of Depths, vMA inferno back bar and ... Nerieneth. If you use Sweeps or Jabs, that monster set is decent.

One other thing you can lean into is Spell Damage (not weapon damage), on account of having access to Minor Sorcery. This also buffs your stamina skills nowadays. I once made a build with the Moon Hunter set, because it is one of the highest weapon / spell damage sets that no one uses. Could use that with Dagon's Dominion or Witch Knight's Defiance and even Thrassian Stranglers. Squishy, but that might not matter depending on what content you're doing. Very high weapon / spell damage also makes for great heals, when you pop one. That said, I think I was using Bloodthirst or Rapid Strikes, instead of Jabs, to up the poison proc chance for Moonhunter on that build.

BXR_Lonestar

Not to discourage you, but I spent several years of my life trying to be happy with my Orc Stamplar and I could never find a build that I was happy with (outside of when Stuhns + Deadly + Malacaths Band was meta). I made the switch to a Dark Elf Magplar and I've never been more happy. I parsed around 85k without much practice and I know I can get more with a more optimal setup, and I'm really enjoying it in PVP as well.

Zodiarkslayer

In my opinion it doesn't make sense to take something specialised. A more general, stat dense gear choice has no long term downsides.

Next patch we will see such an upheaval of changes to Templar and the game in general, that anything you decide on today, probably needs to be replaced in june.
Deadly/Order's and Slimecraw+Mythic is probably still a good setup in june. Velothi-Ur comes to mind, but I'd personally prefer Mora's Whispers.

allochthons

Another vote for Deadly + Order's Wrath.
Stuhn's is nice, but situational, as it depends mostly on using Focused/Topping charge.

I love Mora's Whispers, and use it on my questing NB, but the leads are not fun to get, even after they buffed the one that only drops from Watchlings, and getting 100% of the mage's guild books is a PiTA.

ETA: A reminder, if people want to get Deadly with AP instead of from Guild Traders, Bruma is much easier to capture in a quiet campaign than it is on an active campaign.

ArchMikem

Tried and true Deadly/Order's Wrath combo and I'm pretty happy with the resulting stats. In order to hit that 50% crit chance tho I HAVE to wear a Monster set with the relative bonus. Thinking about getting Grundwulf for this character, that'll help with sustain too.

Also I dunno if this is normal for everyone else but casually getting 6k Weapon Dmg just from popping a potion is insane to me.

fred4

ArchMikem wrote: »

Also I dunno if this is normal for everyone else but casually getting 6k Weapon Dmg just from popping a potion is insane to me.

Major Brutality potion? It's redundant, if you have Biting Jabs in the build. Otherwise you should be using a Major Sorcery potion, not Brutality, because you get another 10% spell damage, and not weapon damage, from using Dawn's Wrath abilities. You want your potion to stack with that, however I don't believe a Major Sorcery + Stamina potion exists. This is among the reasons for preferring magplar.

ArchMikem

fred4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Also I dunno if this is normal for everyone else but casually getting 6k Weapon Dmg just from popping a potion is insane to me.

Major Brutality potion? It's redundant, if you have Biting Jabs in the build. Otherwise you should be using a Major Sorcery potion, not Brutality, because you get another 10% spell damage, and not weapon damage, from using Dawn's Wrath abilities. You want your potion to stack with that, however I don't believe a Major Sorcery + Stamina potion exists. This is among the reasons for preferring magplar.

What good is stacking Spell Damage on a Stamplar? Without either Brutality or Sorcery both stats are a flat 5200. Since I'm focusing physical dmg i want to prioritize wep dmg.

fred4

ArchMikem wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Also I dunno if this is normal for everyone else but casually getting 6k Weapon Dmg just from popping a potion is insane to me.

Major Brutality potion? It's redundant, if you have Biting Jabs in the build. Otherwise you should be using a Major Sorcery potion, not Brutality, because you get another 10% spell damage, and not weapon damage, from using Dawn's Wrath abilities. You want your potion to stack with that, however I don't believe a Major Sorcery + Stamina potion exists. This is among the reasons for preferring magplar.

What good is stacking Spell Damage on a Stamplar? Without either Brutality or Sorcery both stats are a flat 5200. Since I'm focusing physical dmg i want to prioritize wep dmg.

Spell / weapon damage have been hybridized. Your skills scale with the higher of the two stats, regardless of whether they are stamina or magicka-based skills.

Zodiarkslayer

ArchMikem wrote: »

What good is stacking Spell Damage on a Stamplar? ...

Due to the Illumination passive from the Dawn's Wrath skill line a Templar will get minor Sorcery for using Power of the Light.
If you choose to run Weapon power potions, instead of Spell Power potions, youll end up with 10% less spell damage.

Anyway, this question is moot. Since you are using Jabs, you'll have both Major Brutality and Sorcery in content. And when Illumination procs, the game will determine that your Spell Damage is indeed higher than your Weapon Damage and use the former for all scaling of your abilities.

allochthons wrote: »

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I love Mora's Whispers, and use it on my questing NB, but the leads are not fun to get, even after they buffed the one that only drops from Watchlings, and getting 100% of the mage's guild books is a PiTA ...

Mora's Whispers is underrated as it is depending on a high book count. But if you are like me and you only create characters that you'll use long term, you will have these books already. See, what I do with all my established chars is to go skill point hunting through all base game zones, because oh my do I ever need these skill points.
And when I do this hunt, I'll always try to level the three Guilds as I go through the zones. All you need is a good addon to load all these books' locations into your map. Its simple and fast.

The bottom line is, that the amount of crit chance from Mora's is really high and a Stamplar typically hasn't all too much of it.
So, yeah. No brainer, imo.

ArchMikem

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

What good is stacking Spell Damage on a Stamplar? ...

Due to the Illumination passive from the Dawn's Wrath skill line a Templar will get minor Sorcery for using Power of the Light.
If you choose to run Weapon power potions, instead of Spell Power potions, youll end up with 10% less spell damage.

Anyway, this question is moot. Since you are using Jabs, you'll have both Major Brutality and Sorcery in content. .

I'm actually foregoing Jabs in this build, it's too much of a staple/stereotype of the Templar and I didn't want to fall in line too much, so I'm having to use another method of doing AoE mob pulls.

Jestir

Deadly strikes + Orders wrath + maelstrom bow back bar + whatever monster set or 1 or 1pc monster + mythic if using jabs

If not you could just grind out something old for your front bar set like burning spell weave, briarheart, tzvogin (sp?) warband, kinras wrath or even Medusa and if you aren't aiming for vet trials you will be fine

But honestly normal trials are such a joke that you could easily grab say ansuuls or whatever minor slayer set you want and be set for all content