Half the content double the price

Skorro

So ignoring the fact that the new "season" package is so expensive (with no clarity on ESO+members and the dungeon costs), we only get half the general "chapter" content? Only 1 pub dungeon, 3 delves, etc?

GG lol

Juomuuri

I would assume we get the rest of the "chapter" in Q4, which should include the remaining 3 delves and second PD. Doesn't look good, I hoped western Solstice would've been the size chapters used to be, and the east part the size of a story DLC.

I'm gonna install PTS just to preview before I buy (if I buy), which is the first time in my nearly 9 years of playing this game... No more blind/unspoiled DLC for me!

kargen27

the dozens of other threads on this were not enough? If it isn't worth the price don't purchase.

Skorro

kargen27 wrote: »

the dozens of other threads on this were not enough? If it isn't worth the price don't purchase.

What good is the Internet if I'm not allowed to complain 🙃
My post is specifically that the main summer "chapter" release is the size of the q4 dlc with regards to content (minus the trial of course) which there aren't "dozens of posts" on.

Syldras

So has anyone checked the size of the map on pts yet? Is it comparable to High Isle or even less?

tsaescishoeshiner

I've wanted a reduction in number of delves and public dungeon for years if it means more substantial content. They're used in daily quests and otherwise not really worth repeating for me.

We won't know if that's the case until the end of this year, but my favorite zones aren't my favorites because of the numbers of delves and world bosses. Already, we're getting more for Q3--in addition to the dungeons we used to get, there's now also that big wall event. So this is a "wait and see" for me.

kargen27

Skorro wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

the dozens of other threads on this were not enough? If it isn't worth the price don't purchase.

What good is the Internet if I'm not allowed to complain 🙃
My post is specifically that the main summer "chapter" release is the size of the q4 dlc with regards to content (minus the trial of course) which there aren't "dozens of posts" on.

Complain all you want, I'm all for it. Many others have offered this same specific complaint in other threads.

thorwyn

Syldras wrote: »

So has anyone checked the size of the map on pts yet? Is it comparable to High Isle or even less?

Does map size really matter in that context? I mean...they could give us endless regions full of nothingness and it still would not be a selling point in my books.

Tra_Lalan

I assume the new zone will not be available all at once. After this wall event we propably will have access to the other half of it later this year. The overall size of new zone is suppose to be similar to chapter zones.

Skorro

Tra_Lalan wrote: »

I assume the new zone will not be available all at once. After this wall event we propably will have access to the other half of it later this year. The overall size of new zone is suppose to be similar to chapter zones.

I'm hoping this is the case too from the way they talk about rolling out content wherever they want instead of being bound to the dungeon>chapter>qol>dlc range. They're just so tight-lipped about it 🤣 I just hope they aren't going to make us pay full chapter price+ for basically 2 Murkmire sized zone dlcs (again I know the dungeons are included, but I'm on + so those and the last dlc would normally be covered for me).

Skorro

kargen27 wrote: »

Skorro wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

the dozens of other threads on this were not enough? If it isn't worth the price don't purchase.

What good is the Internet if I'm not allowed to complain 🙃
My post is specifically that the main summer "chapter" release is the size of the q4 dlc with regards to content (minus the trial of course) which there aren't "dozens of posts" on.

Complain all you want, I'm all for it. Many others have offered this same specific complaint in other threads.

Same, same, but different - and besides, if I hadn't made the post you wouldn't have had anything to do on this lovely morning 🙂

I usually get the chapter, but with this and the subclasses, (fyi there are also a bunch of similar posts on that if you have time after doing your rounds with the zone/content folks), I dunno if I will - combat and balance can be adjusted throughout the pts, but the map is built and there's no quality information on what's still to come.

Dagoth_Rac

Assuming the other half of Solstice in Q4 is similar to this half on PTS, 2025 will have 4 dungeons, a trial, 6 delves, 2 public dungeons, and 6 world bosses. And while no explicit new class a la Arcanist, Subclassing will feel like new classes added. Which sounds similar to 2023/2024 content.

I am guessing they saw players do Chapter in 2023/2024 and then leave for rest of year. So they are de facto splitting the Chapter in half in 2025 and slow rolling it in an effort to maintain engagement year round.

Basically, I think it is a marketing gimmick, not a reduction in content. Though I do wish they would confirm that Eastern Solstice in Q4 is same size as Western Solstice on PTS.

Hotdog_23

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Assuming the other half of Solstice in Q4 is similar to this half on PTS, 2025 will have 4 dungeons, a trial, 6 delves, 2 public dungeons, and 6 world bosses. And while no explicit new class a la Arcanist, Subclassing will feel like new classes added. Which sounds similar to 2023/2024 content.

I am guessing they saw players do Chapter in 2023/2024 and then leave for rest of year. So they are de facto splitting the Chapter in half in 2025 and slow rolling it in an effort to maintain engagement year round.

Basically, I think it is a marketing gimmick, not a reduction in content. Though I do wish they would confirm that Eastern Solstice in Q4 is same size as Western Solstice on PTS.

Maybe, but since we don't get a 4th quarter zone any more it is less content in my opinion.

Stay safe

Dagoth_Rac

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Assuming the other half of Solstice in Q4 is similar to this half on PTS, 2025 will have 4 dungeons, a trial, 6 delves, 2 public dungeons, and 6 world bosses. And while no explicit new class a la Arcanist, Subclassing will feel like new classes added. Which sounds similar to 2023/2024 content.

I am guessing they saw players do Chapter in 2023/2024 and then leave for rest of year. So they are de facto splitting the Chapter in half in 2025 and slow rolling it in an effort to maintain engagement year round.

Basically, I think it is a marketing gimmick, not a reduction in content. Though I do wish they would confirm that Eastern Solstice in Q4 is same size as Western Solstice on PTS.

Maybe, but since we don't get a 4th quarter zone any more it is less content in my opinion.

Stay safe

But that is not a Content Pass thing. Q4 DLC has been gone for several years.

licenturion

I finished the first of the main story on the PTS yesterday.

These are my feelings about it and I also wrote this (with some other feedback) also on the PTR forums (no spoilers)

I hate the new delivery model now that I see this in practice. The main quest is very very short. I listened to all the conversations and I clocked in around 2 hours for the whole story. The zone is so small and has many shrines so there is also no travel time or sightseeing involved either. Waiting 6+ months for the next small bit really puts a damper on things and it is making me think about just waiting to buy the pass until the second part comes out and binge all the content then. Then there will probably be sales and there will be a decent amount of content because this is not it and really doesn't feel worth the hefty price tag yet. I was hoping there would be more content with the new formula and increased price, but so far it feels really like something like 'Galen', which was given away for free back in the day.

I guess the whole package is about the same size as a chapter from the previous years. But what you get now is a tiny appetizer slice and really doesn't justify the money. If feels more like a 1500 crown zone. I feel glad I waited to purchase because I wanted to check the PTS first to see if there was enough value. Not convinced at all, so I will probably wait for a sale in Q4. Both parts and the dungeons will be out by then. As for the wall event, this can be done in old zones as well and probably just consists of filling progress bars with the community until they disable the wall server side.

(see the next post below for more info about the amount of thing to do in actual number + map screenshot)

ImmortalCX

licenturion wrote: »

I finished the first of the main story on the PTS yesterday.

These are my feelings about it and I also wrote this (with some other feedback) also on the PTR forums (no spoilers)

I hate the new delivery model now that I see this in practice. The main quest is very very short. I listened to all the conversations and I clocked in around 2 hours for the whole story. The zone is so small and has many shrines so there is also no travel time or sightseeing involved either. Waiting 6+ months for the next small bit really puts a damper on things and it is making me think about just waiting to buy the pass until the second part comes out and binge all the content then. Then there will probably be sales and there will be a decent amount of content because this is not it and really doesn't feel worth the hefty price tag yet. I was hoping there would be more content with the new formula and increased price, but so far it feels really like something like 'Galen', which was given away for free back in the day.

I guess the whole package is about the same size as a chapter from the previous years. But what you get now is a tiny appetizer slice and really doesn't justify the money. If feels more like a 1500 crown zone. I feel glad I waited to purchase because I wanted to check the PTS first to see if there was enough value. Not convinced at all, so I will probably wait for a sale in Q4. Both parts and the dungeons will be out by then. As for the wall event, this can be done in old zones as well and probably just consists of filling progress bars with the community until they disable the wall server side.

Thanks for your review. I suspected as much.

All those people in the zos cafeteria during the direct reveal? We all know how its done. That was everyone in the company, most of them working on the new mmo. Just trying to present as if its thriving.

licenturion

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Thanks for your review. I suspected as much.

All those people in the zos cafeteria during the direct reveal? We all know how its done. That was everyone in the company, most of them working on the new mmo. Just trying to present as if its thriving.

You are welcome. If you want hard numbers:

- Main story: 5 quests
- Playtime main story (without skipping any dialog): +- 2 hours
- Wayshrines: 7 (but very close to each other)
- Max travel time with maxed out mount from upper North to lower South by mount: 2 minutes 35 seconds
- Delves: 3
- Striking locales: 5 (there are another 5 'undiscovered eastern solistice locale' listed in the achievements for part 2 in Q4)
- Public dungeons: 1
- Special events/incursions: 0
- Special systems: 0 (multiclass is in basegame zones)
- World bosses: 3
- Skyshards: 9
- Trial: 1
- House: 1 (crown store purchase)
- Unique quests: 16 (includes 5 main quests, 3 delve intro quests, trial intro quest and public dungeon intro quest)
- Repeatable daily quest givers: 2
- Map:

Vrienda

The new zone is super small too, not even chapter size.

Still, I'd consider grabbing it if it wasn't:

A. So expensive

B. Tied to dungeons I don't want in my dungeon pool at all

RaddlemanNumber7

Since we haven't been told anything much about what we would be paying for beyond Update 46, this is a veritable "pig in a poke".

Not good business ethics.

PapaTankers

Syldras wrote: »

So has anyone checked the size of the map on pts yet? Is it comparable to High Isle or even less?

To me it seemed smaller than galen when I checked on PTS, but I didnt spent alot of time there.

Skorro

licenturion wrote: »

I finished the first of the main story on the PTS yesterday.

These are my feelings about it and I also wrote this (with some other feedback) also on the PTR forums (no spoilers)

I hate the new delivery model now that I see this in practice. The main quest is very very short. I listened to all the conversations and I clocked in around 2 hours for the whole story. The zone is so small and has many shrines so there is also no travel time or sightseeing involved either. Waiting 6+ months for the next small bit really puts a damper on things and it is making me think about just waiting to buy the pass until the second part comes out and binge all the content then. Then there will probably be sales and there will be a decent amount of content because this is not it and really doesn't feel worth the hefty price tag yet. I was hoping there would be more content with the new formula and increased price, but so far it feels really like something like 'Galen', which was given away for free back in the day.

I guess the whole package is about the same size as a chapter from the previous years. But what you get now is a tiny appetizer slice and really doesn't justify the money. If feels more like a 1500 crown zone. I feel glad I waited to purchase because I wanted to check the PTS first to see if there was enough value. Not convinced at all, so I will probably wait for a sale in Q4. Both parts and the dungeons will be out by then. As for the wall event, this can be done in old zones as well and probably just consists of filling progress bars with the community until they disable the wall server side.

Thanks very much for the info ♥️ I agree that I'll prob also wait to see what the rest of the year brings before purchase

jcaceresw

licenturion wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Thanks for your review. I suspected as much.

All those people in the zos cafeteria during the direct reveal? We all know how its done. That was everyone in the company, most of them working on the new mmo. Just trying to present as if its thriving.

You are welcome. If you want hard numbers:

- Main story: 5 quests
- Playtime main story (without skipping any dialog): +- 2 hours
- Wayshrines: 7 (but very close to each other)
- Max travel time with maxed out mount from upper North to lower South by mount: 2 minutes 35 seconds
- Delves: 3
- Striking locales: 5
- Public dungeons: 1
- Special events/incursions: 0
- Special systems: 0 (multiclass is in basegame zones)
- World bosses: 3
- Skyshards: 9
- Trial: 1
- House: 1 (crown store purchase)
- Map:

Yep, wayshrines are too close. I would remove the two in the center of the map and rearrange the southern ones like this:
- The east one to be at the center of the triangle area made by both northen skill shards and the temple POI.
- The west one could be moved to the inverted Y crossroad that leads to the trial and delve dungeons.
Aditionally, the north west wayshrine could be moved a bit to the south east nearly the middle of the small land where it is located.

Also, the map is too small and do not justify the huge price increase. Even if I mirrored the map it will be still much smaller than any other chapter and/or half size of any vanilla zones.

licenturion

jcaceresw wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Thanks for your review. I suspected as much.

All those people in the zos cafeteria during the direct reveal? We all know how its done. That was everyone in the company, most of them working on the new mmo. Just trying to present as if its thriving.

You are welcome. If you want hard numbers:

- Main story: 5 quests
- Playtime main story (without skipping any dialog): +- 2 hours
- Wayshrines: 7 (but very close to each other)
- Max travel time with maxed out mount from upper North to lower South by mount: 2 minutes 35 seconds
- Delves: 3
- Striking locales: 5
- Public dungeons: 1
- Special events/incursions: 0
- Special systems: 0 (multiclass is in basegame zones)
- World bosses: 3
- Skyshards: 9
- Trial: 1
- House: 1 (crown store purchase)
- Map:

Yep, wayshrines are too close. I would remove the two in the center of the map and rearrange the southern ones like this:
- The east one to be at the center of the triangle area made by both northen skill shards and the temple POI.
- The west one could be moved to the inverted Y crossroad that leads to the trial and delve dungeons.
Aditionally, the north west wayshrine could be moved a bit to the south east nearly the middle of the small land where it is located.

Also, the map is too small and do not justify the huge price increase. Even if I mirrored the map it will be still much smaller than any other chapter and/or half size of any vanilla zones.

I agree. I looked up some additional data for some people on Reddit to how it compares with Galen:
According to the achievement data there are 16 unique quests in total. So that 5 main quests, 3 short delve quests, 1 trial introduction quest and 1 public dungeon introduction quest. So that leaves 6 general side quests. There are also 2 repeatable daily quest givers in the city.

For reference to Galen. That one has also 16 unique quests and also 7 way shrines, so you can compare the two. Galen was given away for free for High Isle Chapter owners though during the weeklong community event.

I will play this one on live servers for sure. But playing the main quest on PTS has convinced me to wait until the Q4 sales. Then I have a whole chapter and 4 dungeons for half the price. There isn't an exclusive chapter system too discover since subclassing is basegame and there are no incursions either. So the PTR has reduced my FOMO to zero

Syldras

thorwyn wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

So has anyone checked the size of the map on pts yet? Is it comparable to High Isle or even less?

Does map size really matter in that context? I mean...they could give us endless regions full of nothingness and it still would not be a selling point in my books.

I know that big stories can be told within one city alone. I played TES3 Tribunal back then. But unfortunately, with what I've seen over the past years, I don't think getting a small map with only 1 city and 2 delves (as an example) would mean we got 40 quests connected to these 3 places, it would probably remain to be 4 to 6 at most. So in a way map size does matter in ESO. And writing quality of the quests we get is another topic in itself. I'd rather see less but with a better quality than masses of quests with a worse quality, but unfortunately I'm not hopeful that getting less in means of quantity would neccessarily mean a quality increase here.

Syldras

licenturion wrote: »

- Main story: 5 quests
- Playtime main story (without skipping any dialog): +- 2 hours
- Wayshrines: 7 (but very close to each other)
- Max travel time with maxed out mount from upper North to lower South by mount: 2 minutes 35 seconds
- Delves: 3
- Striking locales: 5
- Public dungeons: 1
- Special events/incursions: 0
- Special systems: 0 (multiclass is in basegame zones)
- World bosses: 3
- Skyshards: 9
- Trial: 1
- House: 1 (crown store purchase)
- Unique quests: 16 (includes 5 main quests, 3 delve intro quests, trial intro quest and public dungeon intro quest)
- Repeatable daily quest givers: 2
- Map:

Well, this answers my question, thank you. This all sounds horrible.

NoticeMeArkay

licenturion wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Thanks for your review. I suspected as much.

All those people in the zos cafeteria during the direct reveal? We all know how its done. That was everyone in the company, most of them working on the new mmo. Just trying to present as if its thriving.

You are welcome. If you want hard numbers:

- Main story: 5 quests
- Playtime main story (without skipping any dialog): +- 2 hours
- Wayshrines: 7 (but very close to each other)
- Max travel time with maxed out mount from upper North to lower South by mount: 2 minutes 35 seconds
- Delves: 3
- Striking locales: 5 (there are another 5 'undiscovered eastern solistice locale' listed in the achievements for part 2 in Q4)
- Public dungeons: 1
- Special events/incursions: 0
- Special systems: 0 (multiclass is in basegame zones)
- World bosses: 3
- Skyshards: 9
- Trial: 1
- House: 1 (crown store purchase)
- Unique quests: 16 (includes 5 main quests, 3 delve intro quests, trial intro quest and public dungeon intro quest)
- Repeatable daily quest givers: 2
- Map:

isn't that just the first half of the island?

licenturion

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

isn't that just the first half of the island?

Yes that was my point. The second part comes in Q4. Those two parts together are basically the same size as a chapter. Since there is no exclusive game system tied to the new zone you could wait until Q4. The people that still want the 'chapter experience' like before can then play it in one go for probably half the price. The story in part 1 stops when it starts to get interesting. Part 2 is still 6 to 7 months of waiting.

TeaFox

Probably not the right place for this, but, what happens when you miss a year and didn't get the Content Pass, I hope you can buy the last years content separately at any time then (at a discount hopefully)? I wish Zenimax would clarify this as I haven't seen any answer to that yet.

Skorro

TeaFox wrote: »

Probably not the right place for this, but, what happens when you miss a year and didn't get the Content Pass, I hope you can buy the last years content separately at any time then (at a discount hopefully)? I wish Zenimax would clarify this as I haven't seen any answer to that yet.

I agree! People would be so much more relaxed if they just communicated these things. I'm hoping they come up for sale for crowns like previous dlcs after the year event is over, but 🤷

Dalsinthus

In addition to it being a small area for a chapter level purchase (or at least an area spread into two separate releases), we're also getting less than what came with recent chapters. In the past we'd see an expansion or prior year's systems tied to a chapter release, but here that is more limited.

What's not included:
-No new companions
-No expansion of Tales of Tribute decks
-No expansion of the scribing system
-No new class
-No new skill line
-No expansion of recent tent pole systems: infinite archive or the revamp of battle grounds

However we do get:
-New antiquities including 3 new mythic items
-A new base game feature, subclassing
-New furnishing items and plans

All in all it seems like a light content addition for the price, particularly for ESO+ subscribers that get access to the dungeons through their subscription.

Syldras

What's with system additions, has anyone checked that? We already know there aren't any new companions, but what's with ToT cards and antiquities?

Edit: Has been answered meanwhile, never mind.