Templar jabs animation being reverted or updated?

Vahndamme

So in a lot of the footage and screenshots about the new season pass.. it shows the old animation of templar's jabs. Are you finally listening to all those voices that cried out to revert the change and make a proper animation similar to the old one.. but just.. faster or more intune with its new cast time?

I don't know but it would be very disappointing and confusing if this led to nowhere. I honestly hope the revert / update is coming to this once iconic ability / animation.

Renato90085

I think I read Zos want remake all skill animation,but I forget where I read this

tomofhyrule

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed from the news article is that the dude has the OG jabs spear. I’d actually be happy to get it back.

Stx

I hope they bring it back. It would be cruel to use it in promotions and not bring it back.

Jestir

Can't wait for Monday

TheBardAtTheInn

Posted this screencap in the thread I just authored while this one went up, but in case it gets nuked for being a duplicate, I'll post it here as well

Vahndamme

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed from the news article is that the dude has the OG jabs spear. I’d actually be happy to get it back.

The Necromancer was also jabbing old skool.. so for me this is a big deal honestly. I hope it's not an oversight. I legit want the animation back or better than before but similar. Not the garbage it is now.

ThancredLux

The image is literally templar, arcanist and warden all in one, already showcasing the subclass system too.

shadyjane62

I would love it back . Losing my lightning bolt really hurt my self image especially when it was replaced by a shovel.

Ragnarok0130

Vahndamme wrote: »

So in a lot of the footage and screenshots about the new season pass.. it shows the old animation of templar's jabs. Are you finally listening to all those voices that cried out to revert the change and make a proper animation similar to the old one.. but just.. faster or more intune with its new cast time?

I don't know but it would be very disappointing and confusing if this led to nowhere. I honestly hope the revert / update is coming to this once iconic ability / animation.

Please dont' get this Templar's hope up.....I really want the old model and animation back. I'm so tired of the weird fishing flailing motion.

HatchetHaro

The OG jabs were so much better animated.

With the rework, if they wanted something faster they could have referenced other spear animations; GoW Ragnarok's Draupnir Spear animations come to mind.

Tan9oSuccka

I hope so! Please bury the pool noodle (never speak of it again) and bring back old jabs.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

I dare not hope, but it would be a welcome miracle to get our old jabs animation back 🙏

Maythor

This thread could be such an easy win for ZOS if someone would just answer it! We'll find out on Monday, and whatever the result, it'll just leave irritation in our thoughts that no one answered a simple question that could have brought fun to many!

antihero_kazuma

If they do bring it back, I hope they bring back the original flurry animation as well. I miss shank shank shank

HatchetHaro

antihero_kazuma wrote: »

If they do bring it back, I hope they bring back the original flurry animation as well. I miss shank shank shank

Honestly, yeah! The animation and sound effects had such a good rhythm too, and made Flurry feel powerful to use. Same deal with the OG Jabs. The new ones were just so poorly animated that both of them lost their charm.

Gaebriel0410

That would be very nice! I never disliked the new one, though I never liked the old one either. But more options is always good!

If they do it for jabs they should also do it for that dual wield skill that was changed around the same time (though in this case I liked the new one way better, I hated the old look, but still options is good).

Though not going back myself, I was already glad I could entirely replace jabs on my dps setup with scribing.

Stx

There has to be some reason why their demos for a new feature include years old animations. I really do hope they are bringing it back.

I agree old flurry was better too. Specifically with daggers the new one looks so silly

The_Meathead

Stx wrote: »

There has to be some reason why their demos for a new feature include years old animations. I really do hope they are bringing it back.

I agree old flurry was better too. Specifically with daggers the new one looks so silly

Agreed on all counts.

The changes to Jabs and Flurry with U35 were epic tiers of unrequested error and look absolutely terrible. Bringing back the old animations or something resembling them would be wonderful.

Gaebriel0410

Oh no I meant the opposite, I like the new flurry much better! Though I agree that with daggers the old flurry looks better. But the char I use it on is a redguard with dual scimitars, and that looks much better with the new one imo.

But yeah there's gotta be a reason the old jabs is on their promo material several times, so hopefully!

antihero_kazuma

Gaebriel0410 wrote: »

Oh no I meant the opposite, I like the new flurry much better! Though I agree that with daggers the old flurry looks better. But the char I use it on is a redguard with dual scimitars, and that looks much better with the new one imo.

A lot of the skills have a variation of skill styles these days... Why can't ZOS just make a variation of the old flurry and jabs and put them as a skill style?

tomofhyrule

antihero_kazuma wrote: »

Gaebriel0410 wrote: »

Oh no I meant the opposite, I like the new flurry much better! Though I agree that with daggers the old flurry looks better. But the char I use it on is a redguard with dual scimitars, and that looks much better with the new one imo.

A lot of the skills have a variation of skill styles these days... Why can't ZOS just make a variation of the old flurry and jabs and put them as a skill style?

The animation may be an issue here. They do involve totally different animations and attack cadences, so I can understand that that may not be feasible. I will say that it's easier to weave jabs with the new animation, even though the quality of the animation is... uhh... controversial.

However, VFX are totally swappable with Skill Styles. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to use the old spear model via a Skill Style.

Marronsuisse

antihero_kazuma wrote: »

If they do bring it back, I hope they bring back the original flurry animation as well. I miss shank shank shank

Oh I hope so. I really miss this skill. I can’t stand the awkward flailing animation.

silky_soft

antihero_kazuma wrote: »

If they do bring it back, I hope they bring back the original flurry animation as well. I miss shank shank shank

I stopped using flurry and started being ranged magika drone because it became ugly.

magnusthorek

Templar jabs shouldn't even have a shape. It's pure Aedric energy, bent to the wielder's will, not energy imbuing a weapon of a specific shape used by someone. If that was the case, anyone with some magic aptitudes could use such power.

IMHO, jabs (and other Templar skills) could resemble Kazuma Kuwabara's powers from the YuYu Hakusho anime. Jabs would be his signature attack, a spirit sword that looks something like a lightning bolt. Other skills like Crescent Sweep *could* look like the Jigen Tou, a perfectly shaped light sword.

virtus753

magnusthorek wrote: »

Templar jabs shouldn't even have a shape. It's pure Aedric energy, bent to the wielder's will, not energy imbuing a weapon of a specific shape used by someone. If that was the case, anyone with some magic aptitudes could use such power.

IMHO, jabs (and other Templar skills) could resemble Kazuma Kuwabara's powers from the YuYu Hakusho anime. Jabs would be his signature attack, a spirit sword that looks something like a lightning bolt. Other skills like Crescent Sweep *could* look like the Jigen Tou, a perfectly shaped light sword.

ZOS put Jabs and Sweep and Blazing Spear in a line called Aedric Spear, which suggests their vision is that the light should take a particular shape based on that theme. They’d have to remove that thematic element from the class if they wanted to change these things to swords or lightning bolts. The latter verges into sorc visual identity. Personally I think we also already have quite a lot going on with swords in game, both lore-wise and as actual weapons. Spears are currently associated with one class, which maintains at least some bit of identity when that is increasingly more marginalized. Giving away that bit of identity in favor of the weapon looking like something from another IP and even genre entirely would not feel like ESO, much less ESO Templar, to me.

magnusthorek

That's why when I mentioned the anime, I said *could*, not should or must.

It's an idea, subjective and passive of appreciation, interpretation, extrapolation and, therefore, adaptation

Vahndamme

I believe the reason why the 'old' animation is in the new promo and all that because the promo was made prior to the animation change. I could be wrong but since their roadmap is very late, hence we getting a chapter disguised as a content pass this year. The same package kinda, just more leeway in terms of release window.

I really hope they revert the change but knowing ZoS they doubledowned on a (in my opinion) dumb decision and didn't want to redo the promo material. So it didn't change from when they made it, which was probably before all the animation changes. That'd be my guess sadly. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it. I wished ZoS took these messages serious. At the change many complained, many even quit playing Templar.

Now only a few remain that might voice but many are left wanting.. tho they do not voice anymore because in their mind it doesn't matter. (Which is honestly me.. I only made this post because I saw it but I honestly stopped giving any kind of feedback altogether.. nothing of it gets used from what I feel, unless it's a questionable thing for them. But a lot of the stuff they 'sure' of, is as you can see made probably 2 years ago. So like this promo material is probably an oversight and old, I bet a lot of changes are already signed off, regardless of the feedback (in terms of 'likeable change') on the PTS.

Here's to the 'old' jabs animation .. :-)

Ragnarok0130

Maythor wrote: »

This thread could be such an easy win for ZOS if someone would just answer it! We'll find out on Monday, and whatever the result, it'll just leave irritation in our thoughts that no one answered a simple question that could have brought fun to many!

But remember...ZoS keeps saying they are improving communication with the players every time there's big push back from the community. Then the devs lapse back into their no communication mode once things calm down.

Ragnarok0130

magnusthorek wrote: »

Templar jabs shouldn't even have a shape. It's pure Aedric energy, bent to the wielder's will, not energy imbuing a weapon of a specific shape used by someone. If that was the case, anyone with some magic aptitudes could use such power.

IMHO, jabs (and other Templar skills) could resemble Kazuma Kuwabara's powers from the YuYu Hakusho anime. Jabs would be his signature attack, a spirit sword that looks something like a lightning bolt. Other skills like Crescent Sweep *could* look like the Jigen Tou, a perfectly shaped light sword.

The old Templar spear reminded me of a Roman Pillum spear which fit thematically with the Imperial religious cult in ESO IMO.

LukosCreyden

Epic PTS gamers, we need intel. Did they change the animation??