Seasons not included with eso+

WildRaptorX · April 10

Extremely disappointed by this.

You spent 10 minutes expressing your love for the players, and now you’re charging £75, for content that has previously been included in our subscription.

DLC has always been the main focal point for the subscription, everything thing else is just extra.
Flabbergasted.

L_Nici · April 10

Yeah, I agree to that. I paid for ESO Plus since many years and now all you get is the crafting bag for the same price? If they not seriously lower the price for ESO Plus or reconsider their decision to exclude the DLCs from now on...there is no right of existence for ESO Plus anymore.

Ursadoom · April 10

Yeah, not a fan of ESO+ being devalued.

WildRaptorX · April 10

@Ursadoom i always felt burdened by the chapters, but this is a new level.

Tandor · April 10

I thought the crafting bag was the main thing with ESO+.

Gina did say that if you stick around to the end of the show there will be additional benefits to ESO+ announced, so perhaps the criticism is premature.

AzuraFan · April 10

There is apparently more coming to ESO+ that they'll talk about later in the post-show.

Since all the dungeons are included in the season pass, I agree that they have to do something.

emeraldshado · April 10

they needed to say the following in their stream

Q. Will content that requires The Elder Scrolls Online: 2025 Content Pass (or 2025 Premium Edition) also be available via ESO Plus and/or the Crown Store at launch?

A. The Fallen Banners dungeon pack (now live) and the Feast of Shadows dungeon pack (arriving Q3) will both be available via ESO Plus membership or a Crown Store purchase in addition to the 2025 Content Pass or 2025 Premium Edition.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/675896/eso-2025-content-pass-faq#latest

ESO_player123 · April 10

WildRaptorX wrote: »

Extremely disappointed by this.

You spent 10 minutes expressing your love for the players, and now you’re charging £75, for content that has previously been included in our subscription.

DLC has always been the main focal point for the subscription, everything thing else is just extra.
Flabbergasted.

I thought it was $45 $50 for the standard (good for current players) and $75 includes all the chapters. So, is there a $45 $50 option?

MasterSpatula · April 10

Tandor wrote: »

I thought the crafting bag was the main thing with ESO+.

No, it is not. The "main thing" with ESO+ is access to all DLCs (which they retconned when they introduced Chapters). The craft bag was a value-add to ESO+ that they included a year after ESO+ became a thing.

There was a major blowup on this forum over Chapters not being included and how it seemed like ZOS calling them "Chapters" was just semantics to get around a promise. Ultimately, the community settled down and accepted it.

This, though? If it is how it currently looks, it's explicitly a broken promise. Fifteen dollars is worth a lot less than it was ten years ago, so a price increase would be fine. This? At least judging from what I know so far, not fine.

WildRaptorX · April 10

@ESO_player123 apparently there is, but I can only see the 75 and 85 one. Even if it was £50, that’s too much, for two small zones.

Subclassing is free (just announced as typing) so we don’t even get a premium feature!

ESO_player123 · April 10

WildRaptorX wrote: »

@ESO_player123 apparently there is, but I can only see the 75 and 85 one. Even if it was £50, that’s too much, for two small zones.

Subclassing is free (just announced as typing) so we don’t even get a premium feature!

@WildRaptorX I was mistaken, they mentioned $49.99 (so 50), not $45 in the stream (at least I think they did). It's weird that it is not visible now. Did they make a mistake in the stream and the cheapest is indeed $75????

Edit:
I can see this on Steam. So, it does exist at least in here.

JemadarofCaerSalis · April 10

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I thought the crafting bag was the main thing with ESO+.

No, it is not. The "main thing" with ESO+ is access to all DLCs (which they retconned when they introduced Chapters). The craft bag was a value-add to ESO+ that they included a year after ESO+ became a thing.

There was a major blowup on this forum over Chapters not being included and how it seemed like ZOS calling them "Chapters" was just semantics to get around a promise. Ultimately, the community settled down and accepted it.

This, though? If it is how it currently looks, it's explicitly a broken promise. Fifteen dollars is worth a lot less than it was ten years ago, so a price increase would be fine. This? At least judging from what I know so far, not fine.

My question is, will ESO+ *ever* get access to season content?

After a year, chapters turn into DLCs, which means that ESO+ gets that content included in the subscription, I pay for Plus, and have access up to Necrom.

If this is going to be something that ESO+ will NOT get access to, I am going to be extremely disappointed, I can deal with not getting access when it first comes out (though if there are any time limited events, such as the wall one, that will hurt just a bit), but having to pay even more money to access it at all would suck.

WildRaptorX · April 10

@JemadarofCaerSalis they mentioned that you get exclusive stuff for doing the content during the season.

So even by doing it a year later, you’re missing out

JemadarofCaerSalis · April 10

WildRaptorX wrote: »

@JemadarofCaerSalis they mentioned that you get exclusive stuff for doing the content during the season.

So even by doing it a year later, you’re missing out

That is what I was afraid of, though I could theoretically handle missing out, depending on what I am missing out on (there have been a lot of things released before that I missed out on, such as the free house with Necrom and didn't Gold Road also have one, with one of the events? It was only available for people who had access at that time.)

Danikat · April 10

WildRaptorX wrote: »

@JemadarofCaerSalis they mentioned that you get exclusive stuff for doing the content during the season.

So even by doing it a year later, you’re missing out

So effectively they're turning it into an expensive live service game.

I know MMOs are kind-of live service games already, but usually without the temporary releases and missable content/rewards if you don't play on their schedule. Now it looks like ESO is shifting to that model.

They kept going on and on about their new tagline being "you belong here" but things like this send me a pretty clear signal that they do not want players like me who have a life and responsibilities outside the game (aka most of us) and if I cannot meet their schedule and keep my productivity up to the standard the company requires I'll need to look elsewhere.

At least when an employer says that (also after the inevitable "we're family" line) they're paying you for the trouble.

randconfig · April 10

You cannot expect them to only make new content for free... They have to ensure a baseline revenue to pay all the employees and to run the servers. I wish things could be that way though, but at least you get hundreds if not thousands of hours of entertainment for the price of a single game. 😅

WildRaptorX · April 10

@randconfig its not free… we’re paying money. Also to put it into perspective, the new (dlc) pass costs 500% more than the entire base game….

randconfig · April 10

WildRaptorX wrote: »

@randconfig its not free… we’re paying money. Also to put it into perspective, the new (dlc) pass costs 500% more than the entire base game….

Sorry if I sounded dismissive there. What I meant was that there were a number of things mentioned in the live stream besides the seasons content, that will be available for free, like base game subclasses, and they stated that there would be ways for base game players to participate in events too, even if they don't have the season pass.

Base game price is $20 (on sale for just $5 now though), and the season content pass upgrade is just $50, so that's about 250% more than the base game, which sounds big, but when you look at an upcoming new triple A console game, like Mario Cart World, it has an insane price of $80 with a much lesser % of replayability...

I know financial stuff is hard in the modern day, so trust me when I say I know $50 is a lot of money, but with the amount of playtime I get from that one investment, including the communities of friends I experience it with, it's well worth it to me. Just my thoughts anyway.

Stx · April 10

WildRaptorX wrote: »

@JemadarofCaerSalis they mentioned that you get exclusive stuff for doing the content during the season.

So even by doing it a year later, you’re missing out

They have fully leaned into the FOMO marketing / monetization strategy so I’m not surprised they are leaning in even further.

wolfie1.0. · April 10

Danikat wrote: »

WildRaptorX wrote: »

@JemadarofCaerSalis they mentioned that you get exclusive stuff for doing the content during the season.

So even by doing it a year later, you’re missing out

So effectively they're turning it into an expensive live service game.

I know MMOs are kind-of live service games already, but usually without the temporary releases and missable content/rewards if you don't play on their schedule. Now it looks like ESO is shifting to that model.

They kept going on and on about their new tagline being "you belong here" but things like this send me a pretty clear signal that they do not want players like me who have a life and responsibilities outside the game (aka most of us) and if I cannot meet their schedule and keep my productivity up to the standard the company requires I'll need to look elsewhere.

At least when an employer says that (also after the inevitable "we're family" line) they're paying you for the trouble.

The "we are a family" line is when you jump ship cause they are ready to go crazy.

I go to work to get paid for my time. You don't get paid for dealing with family.

Tandor · April 10

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I thought the crafting bag was the main thing with ESO+.

No, it is not. The "main thing" with ESO+ is access to all DLCs (which they retconned when they introduced Chapters). The craft bag was a value-add to ESO+ that they included a year after ESO+ became a thing.

There was a major blowup on this forum over Chapters not being included and how it seemed like ZOS calling them "Chapters" was just semantics to get around a promise. Ultimately, the community settled down and accepted it.

This, though? If it is how it currently looks, it's explicitly a broken promise. Fifteen dollars is worth a lot less than it was ten years ago, so a price increase would be fine. This? At least judging from what I know so far, not fine.

I think there are far more people subscribing for the craft bag than there are for the dungeons.

While subscribers currently get the dungeons, they only have access while they subscribe. With the content pass they will own them permanently.

Arunei · April 10

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I thought the crafting bag was the main thing with ESO+.

No, it is not. The "main thing" with ESO+ is access to all DLCs (which they retconned when they introduced Chapters). The craft bag was a value-add to ESO+ that they included a year after ESO+ became a thing.

There was a major blowup on this forum over Chapters not being included and how it seemed like ZOS calling them "Chapters" was just semantics to get around a promise. Ultimately, the community settled down and accepted it.

This, though? If it is how it currently looks, it's explicitly a broken promise. Fifteen dollars is worth a lot less than it was ten years ago, so a price increase would be fine. This? At least judging from what I know so far, not fine.

I did a poll a while back asking if people would still sub to ESO if the craft bag was base game and the majority voted no. The thing that most people I've seen over the years sub for is the craft bag. DLC might be a close second or a tie, but I 100% know for a fact I've seen far more people mention craft bag as why they sub and not the DLC.

I don't think, though, that any one person can say for sure what the "main thing" with ESO+ is for the general playerbase, because different people have different priorities and playstyles. You don't need to have access to DLC if your main thing is Housing, for example. You can buy a House even if it's in a DLC zone you don't own, and the only thing you'd need any given DLC for is if there are bound Furnishings you want from it.

They did reveal in the after show the Furnishing Vault, which is ESO+ only and allows stacking of up to 1000 instances of 500 unique items (so say up to 1k of the Daedric Skull Throne things, and then 499 other stacks of up to 1k other Furnishings). Before they revealed that, Rich I think it was mentioned there were some other things coming to ESO+, but not what they were or when. So there's going to be other stuff than just the Vault, we just have no idea what or when we'll be getting it.

emeraldshado · April 11

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I thought the crafting bag was the main thing with ESO+.

No, it is not. The "main thing" with ESO+ is access to all DLCs (which they retconned when they introduced Chapters). The craft bag was a value-add to ESO+ that they included a year after ESO+ became a thing.

There was a major blowup on this forum over Chapters not being included and how it seemed like ZOS calling them "Chapters" was just semantics to get around a promise. Ultimately, the community settled down and accepted it.

This, though? If it is how it currently looks, it's explicitly a broken promise. Fifteen dollars is worth a lot less than it was ten years ago, so a price increase would be fine. This? At least judging from what I know so far, not fine.

My question is, will ESO+ *ever* get access to season content?

After a year, chapters turn into DLCs, which means that ESO+ gets that content included in the subscription, I pay for Plus, and have access up to Necrom.

If this is going to be something that ESO+ will NOT get access to, I am going to be extremely disappointed, I can deal with not getting access when it first comes out (though if there are any time limited events, such as the wall one, that will hurt just a bit), but having to pay even more money to access it at all would suck.

Based upon this road map here.

https://esosslfiles-a.akamaihd.net/ape/uploads/2025/04/1ead6e1f6344bfd16dd372306f57b3a1.jpg

The "withering wall event" seems like a World of warcraft gates of ahn'qiraj event. , as once it is completed, it shall never be experienced again ( I do not see this company doing classic servers to bring back one time events. )

They delayed the entrance of the fallen banners into the crown store, and I was thinking that was to try to get people to subscribe. you might aslo see a delay of content entering the crown store vs being accessible to subscribers, thus they can get the money from the purchase and the subscription fee too.

Anyway,

If you are an ESO+ member, you should get the fallen banners and the feast of shadows access.
since the withering wall event takes place on the ISLE, you will not have access tot he isle without having purchased the Expansion.

" such as the free house with Necrom and didn't Gold Road "
I do not consider these houses free, i consider them included in the cost of purchasing the expansion, as that is the only way to obtain them.

sure, they game just about always goes on sale in august, but the house event is live before that time, so they are really offering the house to those that bout the expansion and supported them.

There has been a house with Summer set - Grand Psijic Villa , Western Skyrim - Antiquarian's Alpine Galelry , Elsweyr - story - Lunar Champion

These are separate from the Impresario Event

Pevey · April 11

So much work to improve the experience for new players, and then such obvious footguns like this.

This is only game I can think of that has a subscription where the content is not in the subscription. The content is in something else (content pass), and the subscription is just what you have to pay each month so we don't annoy you to death with all our efforts to clutter your inventory and make the game unplayable without a subscription. Very confusing, and very unattractive.

Twohothardware · April 11

You guys are hung up on the name. Seasons = New Chapter. You didn’t get Gold Road with ESO+ last year either.