BGs - is this........fun?

Nerdrage9000

Hello all - I am just coming back from a brief hiatus in-game.

I que'd up for a BG, and why are these such a one-sided nuke fest right now? And what in the world is the circle of death that it seems like half the ppl in BGs have, where they are in the middle of a GIGANTIC circle, and if I stand in said circle (you know, to like whack at them) I basically explode?

Didn't there used to be 3 teams as well?

Anyways - if I can ask - what is going on here? Any advice would be appreciated as I used to love BG's, and have what I feel like is a half decent spec and gear - but I was literally being exploded, and the end score was like 43 - 512.

PS: This was not a one-off BG. I ran through 4. And 3 of the 4 games were so beyond one-sided. It was like me fist fighting Mike Tyson - but back in 1987.

Any advice would be appreciated.

JaxontheUnfortunate

Sounds pretty typical of BG's these days rarely will you get an even match. As for the AOE if they were wardens it's probably northern storm.

Acetriad

Yup, can't even try for second place anymore with only two teams. I don't even bother anymore. Those lopsided matches are the norm. Unless you get lucky and the team that qued together has a spot open that you get into, it's basically a waste of time, sadly.

AngryNecro

Nerdrage9000 wrote: »

Hello all - I am just coming back from a brief hiatus in-game.

I que'd up for a BG, and why are these such a one-sided nuke fest right now? And what in the world is the circle of death that it seems like half the ppl in BGs have, where they are in the middle of a GIGANTIC circle, and if I stand in said circle (you know, to like whack at them) I basically explode?

Didn't there used to be 3 teams as well?

Anyways - if I can ask - what is going on here? Any advice would be appreciated as I used to love BG's, and have what I feel like is a half decent spec and gear - but I was literally being exploded, and the end score was like 43 - 512.

PS: This was not a one-off BG. I ran through 4. And 3 of the 4 games were so beyond one-sided. It was like me fist fighting Mike Tyson - but back in 1987.

Any advice would be appreciated.

at least you would have thrown your build or a screenshot with the characteristics. or at least they clarified which BG 4x4 or 8x8. Well, that's if you really need some advice.

JaxontheUnfortunate

Yeah considering how long the queue times can be and that you get next to nothing for the time investment coming second is why I never do BG's anymore.

Vulkunne

Nerdrage9000 wrote: »

Hello all - I am just coming back from a brief hiatus in-game.

I que'd up for a BG, and why are these such a one-sided nuke fest right now? And what in the world is the circle of death that it seems like half the ppl in BGs have, where they are in the middle of a GIGANTIC circle, and if I stand in said circle (you know, to like whack at them) I basically explode?

Didn't there used to be 3 teams as well?

Anyways - if I can ask - what is going on here? Any advice would be appreciated as I used to love BG's, and have what I feel like is a half decent spec and gear - but I was literally being exploded, and the end score was like 43 - 512.

PS: This was not a one-off BG. I ran through 4. And 3 of the 4 games were so beyond one-sided. It was like me fist fighting Mike Tyson - but back in 1987.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Ha, I remember that game, was awesome.

And yeah I don't care for this new BGs format very much. Glad I got what I wanted out of BGs and moved on.

tsaescishoeshiner

The default queue is the group queue. The solo queues are much better, but can still be one-sided.

My experience of the 2-sided BGs has been much better with many more even fights. But it does mean that you're more likely to all-out lose, rather than just come second place and at least have another team doing worse than you are.

If you shared your build, maybe people could help. Tankiness and cross-heals for the group help, but coordinate groups ulting all at once can tear through anyone not playing the same way. So far, I've had the most fun playing a half-healer with a burst combo on one bar.

El_Borracho

The 8v8 BGs are a mess. You are either dominating or getting destroyed. I have yet to see a match that was close. Add in the bar-swap bug, skills not firing, and the total lack of CC immunity and this is what you get.

Markytous

Yes it is normal and no it is not fun. After they removed 4v4v4 that is the result! lol

Desiato

I've been into online pvp games for decades. I tried *really* hard to like Battlegrounds but hated it in the end.

I think it's so bad, there's no incentive zos could offer me to play it again in its current state -- which I think is an improvement over the previous iteration. I bailed on the last pvp event early. I think the problems run so deep they cannot be easily solved.

I would offer criticisms but they're all dead horses at this point. All I'll say is eso pvp doesn't embody traits that most successful pvp games across all pvp genres do.

Moonspawn

I'd like to apologize on behalf of Zenimax for the inexistence of balanced battleground matches. Hopefully it will happen someday.

NoSoup

Due to the current event and people being lost for ideas on daily coffers you're seeing a lot of PVE'rs hoping for a carry in BGs at the moment. Last night Aussie time was atrocious, so many pve'rs just joining matches and spawn camping. In one 4v4 match I had 3 players with sub 19k hp, like come on guys, at least try to tweak your builds so that you can be half competant.

joseayalac

it will take them a very long time to fix them back

katanagirl1

If the explosion had chains coming out of it and you thought those were DK chains like I did initially, that was the OP set Rush of Agony that ZOS thinks is working just fine and doesn’t need a nerf.

supabicboi

no proper ranking system, ive created too many lopsided matches, i barely queue anymore knowing 5/7 matches im gonna be the problem due to ridiculous matchmaking putting me against less sweaty players, noob bashing is not fun either. id rather be on the receiving end of the bashing so i can actually try hard.

Necrotech_Master

i personally dont really enjoy the 4v4 matches, the 8v8s are pretty fun but since those dont count for leaderboards i dont really have a reason to do them right now

and im finding it difficult to bother with 4v4 to get the leaderboard style pages because i dont enjoy 4v4 enough to do even 5 matches a day

8v8 feels a lot more balanced though there is some matches where one side will just curbstomp the other, but i think thats an issue with the matchmaking system and/or barely enough players to sustain the queues right now

fizzylu

It is not fun. I quit the game because of the current state of BGs and the removal of the three team format. I did pop in game recently just to see if anything had changed and check on here somewhat still.... and yeah, what you're describing is just the standard gameplay experience of the new BGs from when they first launched up to now.

AngryNecro

fizzylu wrote: »

It is not fun. I quit the game because of the current state of BGs and the removal of the three team format. I did pop in game recently just to see if anything had changed and check on here somewhat still.... and yeah, what you're describing is just the standard gameplay experience of the new BGs from when they first launched up to now.

just for the sake of experiment. May I know your build?

fizzylu

@AngryNecro
It's a pretty standard magsorc build. Can hit like at truck, good sustain, CC and solid off healing capabilities for times I need to play more defensively and keep my teammates up.

Now, for your "experiment". I quit about two months after the release of the new BGs because I found them mind-numbingly dull. Whether I'm on the winning or the losing team, they are simply not fun to me. Wins is not why I PvP and I can find joy in a good loss. I PvP for good fights, exciting moments, crazy kills/saves/plays.... and all of that went out the window with the two team matches (and like OP described, the very one-sidedness of the current BGs plays a part in this which is what I was referring to in my original reply here).
I loved the more dynamic gameplay of the three team format and even how objectives functioned within them. The old BGs were why I even gave this game a chance again after thinking ESO was absolute trash when I played it the first week of it's release. I was absolutely consumed by them. I would BG all day every day, to a point where it was probably concerning.
Any love I had for PvP in this game died with the removal of the three team BGs (well, I guess IC is still somewhat enjoyable but PvP there mostly just feels like bullying and that's not really something I enjoy doing). And I know some people, like I'm assuming you, who didn't like getting third partied and having to pay attention to more than just one enemy team/objective don't understand this.... but some people just genuinely enjoyed the gameplay experience the 4v4v4 BGs brought to the game. It was truly a unique PvP experience across the MMO genre and it's gone. Which is why I also am, haha. And with zero regrets.
But yes, go ahead and try to prove whatever narrative it is that you're trying to write here.

AngryNecro

fizzylu wrote: »

@AngryNecro
It's a pretty standard magsorc build. Can hit like at truck, good sustain, CC and solid off healing capabilities for times I need to play more defensively and keep my teammates up.

Now, for your "experiment". I quit about two months after the release of the new BGs because I found them mind-numbingly dull. Whether I'm on the winning or the losing team, they are simply not fun to me. Wins is not why I PvP and I can find joy in a good loss. I PvP for good fights, exciting moments, crazy kills/saves/plays.... and all of that went out the window with the two team matches (and like OP described, the very one-sidedness of the current BGs plays a part in this which is what I was referring to in my original reply here).
I loved the more dynamic gameplay of the three team format and even how objectives functioned within them. The old BGs were why I even gave this game a chance again after thinking ESO was absolute trash when I played it the first week of it's release. I was absolutely consumed by them. I would BG all day every day, to a point where it was probably concerning.
Any love I had for PvP in this game died with the removal of the three team BGs (well, I guess IC is still somewhat enjoyable but PvP there mostly just feels like bullying and that's not really something I enjoy doing). And I know some people, like I'm assuming you, who didn't like getting third partied and having to pay attention to more than just one enemy team/objective don't understand this.... but some people just genuinely enjoyed the gameplay experience the 4v4v4 BGs brought to the game. It was truly a unique PvP experience across the MMO genre and it's gone. Which is why I also am, haha. And with zero regrets.
But yes, go ahead and try to prove whatever narrative it is that you're trying to write here.

so you're playing in the most unbalanced class, in a build found on the Internet, and you're saying that BG is boring?) It's just funny. I don't think BG has lost anything from your departure. If you wanted to be interested in something, you would at least come up with a build for another class. BG has nothing to do with it, you just don't need it to be interesting to you.

BXR_Lonestar

Honestly I find BG's most fun in small doses. It can be fun for short stints, and then it is going to be terrible for long stints. So I usually just que up and play a few matches and then move on to something else.

twisttop138

Big circle? Banner bearer maybe?

JustLovely

I was never a big fan of BG's, so my opinion shouldn't count as much as those who played BG over Cyrodiil PvP, but I like the three team version of BG's WAY more than two team BG. The two team BG's are really unbalanced and really not fun to play. I'll probably never go back to BG's now after playing about 5 two team matches that were so unbalanced and so unpleasant.

Veinblood1965

Vulkunne wrote: »

Nerdrage9000 wrote: »

Hello all - I am just coming back from a brief hiatus in-game.

I que'd up for a BG, and why are these such a one-sided nuke fest right now? And what in the world is the circle of death that it seems like half the ppl in BGs have, where they are in the middle of a GIGANTIC circle, and if I stand in said circle (you know, to like whack at them) I basically explode?

Didn't there used to be 3 teams as well?

Anyways - if I can ask - what is going on here? Any advice would be appreciated as I used to love BG's, and have what I feel like is a half decent spec and gear - but I was literally being exploded, and the end score was like 43 - 512.

PS: This was not a one-off BG. I ran through 4. And 3 of the 4 games were so beyond one-sided. It was like me fist fighting Mike Tyson - but back in 1987.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Ha, I remember that game, was awesome.

And yeah I don't care for this new BGs format very much. Glad I got what I wanted out of BGs and moved on.

Same here, got the mount and had enough. The wait times added to it's either a blowout for one team or the other, rarely evenly matched. After the mount the rewards are absolutely not worth the time.

katanagirl1

fizzylu wrote: »

@AngryNecro
It's a pretty standard magsorc build. Can hit like at truck, good sustain, CC and solid off healing capabilities for times I need to play more defensively and keep my teammates up.

Now, for your "experiment". I quit about two months after the release of the new BGs because I found them mind-numbingly dull. Whether I'm on the winning or the losing team, they are simply not fun to me. Wins is not why I PvP and I can find joy in a good loss. I PvP for good fights, exciting moments, crazy kills/saves/plays.... and all of that went out the window with the two team matches (and like OP described, the very one-sidedness of the current BGs plays a part in this which is what I was referring to in my original reply here).
I loved the more dynamic gameplay of the three team format and even how objectives functioned within them. The old BGs were why I even gave this game a chance again after thinking ESO was absolute trash when I played it the first week of it's release. I was absolutely consumed by them. I would BG all day every day, to a point where it was probably concerning.
Any love I had for PvP in this game died with the removal of the three team BGs (well, I guess IC is still somewhat enjoyable but PvP there mostly just feels like bullying and that's not really something I enjoy doing). And I know some people, like I'm assuming you, who didn't like getting third partied and having to pay attention to more than just one enemy team/objective don't understand this.... but some people just genuinely enjoyed the gameplay experience the 4v4v4 BGs brought to the game. It was truly a unique PvP experience across the MMO genre and it's gone. Which is why I also am, haha. And with zero regrets.
But yes, go ahead and try to prove whatever narrative it is that you're trying to write here.

That’s my Cyrodiil build, does pretty good there but I tend to get targeted by most of the other team when I do BGs now and don’t last long.

I do BGs just for the stickerbook, not really a great time in my opinion, and it was better to place second and get something rather than lose 5 games on a row and get absolutely nothing.

fizzylu

AngryNecro wrote: »

so you're playing in the most unbalanced class, in a build found on the Internet, and you're saying that BG is boring?) It's just funny. I don't think BG has lost anything from your departure. If you wanted to be interested in something, you would at least come up with a build for another class. BG has nothing to do with it, you just don't need it to be interesting to you.

@AngryNecro
Lol, love how you jumped to insulting me because what I said went against whatever you were intending to imply here.
I never said I'm playing a build I found on the internet. I pieced together my build myself to fit MY playstyle and what I enjoy while making sure that it has my stats and numbers at the standard of what they should be at to be a competitive player. That is why I simply said it functions like a standard magsorc PvP build instead of writing out my whole build to you (and yes, I'm weird and don't like to share my builds with anyone and everyone because I did put work into it). Although I will admit it's gotten more basic since the release of Greymoor thanks to Zenimax nerfing or completely changing sets/skills I previously used and constantly implementing updates that chisel away at build diversity.

Also yes, because "fun" is subjective. And I already explained what I consider fun and why the current form of BGs fails to be so for me. The fact that you just apparently ignored all of that, again I'm guessing because it doesn't fit the narrative you probably like to constantly preach on here that players who don't like BGs anymore are just bad or some nonsense, is very telling.

I also have played and made builds for other classes, even have done so for my guildies in an old BG/IC/dueling focused PvP guild I ran and friends. You jumping to paint this assumption that I have not is just completely questionable of you (for the third time, clearly because what I said goes against your attempt at discrediting players who don't like the current BGs). My magsorc is just my main and the one I have invested the most into as it's my favorite character, which is why I used that one for your "experiment" (which clearly failed, happy to help with that btw). That simple.

My question to you though is.... why does it bother you so much that some players genuinely enjoyed the old BGs more and find the current ones not worth their time? To the point that you feel the need to even make completely inaccurate judgments about others that you do not have even remotely all the facts on, and while even ignoring the ones you were given? And what do you get out of trying to pretend like these people are completely wrong in their feelings and simply must not be playing the game right? Who is this for? Zenimax? Yourself? Make it make sense.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

That’s my Cyrodiil build, does pretty good there but I tend to get targeted by most of the other team when I do BGs now and don’t last long.

@katanagirl1
I wasn't really having that issue, it didn't really feel like I was getting targeted more than any other PvP setting and wasn't seeing any drop in survivability. I'd even say I would get focused more in the old BGs compared to 4v4 and I think teams being 8v8 makes it quite easy to disengage from possible deaths in general. I even started running this nonsense altered version of my old PvP build in the 8v8s using the scribing destro skill in place of my spammable and it was absolutely ridiculous how well it performed, haha. Would have never been able to do that in the old BGs.
But again, I just found the new format boring. I enjoyed the tactical play of the 4v4v4 BGs far more and would find myself falling asleep in the current ones. I even remember the last BG I did before deciding that sadly it was time for me to take a break and switch my focus to another MMO again.
It was an 8v8 flag holding map (forget which one specifically). My teammates were just running in a circle to the two flags, absolutely destroying the other team who was also running in the circle between the two flags, with some up top on the center area trying to do something a bit different to stop my team. It was pointless. It was clear we were the winning team in under two minutes. I even stopped attacking, sheathed my staff, and just running in the circle baffled about how sad of a gameplay experience it was.
I commend you for sticking it out though, I know I couldn't have done that. But I will still pop on here from time to time hoping to hear that maybe Zenimax will listen and bring back the old BGs as an option, at the very least.