Incursion Not Credited

c363b

I closed a Daedric incursion in Deshaan but got no credit for the corresponding Golden Pursuit.

sarahthes

I think Incursion means things like dolmens not the little ones.

redlink1979

World Events, also known as Incursions, are:
- Abyssal Geysers, found throughout Summerset
- Dark Anchors, found at Dolmens throughout the base game Alliance zones and Cyrodiil
- Dragonscours, found in Northern Elsweyr and Southern Elsweyr
- Edifices, entrances to Bastion Nymic found throughout the Telvanni Peninsula and Apocrypha
- Harrowstorms, found at ritual sites throughout Western Skyrim, Blackreach: Greymoor Caverns and the Reach
- Oblivion Portals, found throughout Blackwood and the Deadlands
- Volcanic Vents, found throughout High Isle and Galen
- Mirrormoor Incursions, found at Mirrormoor Mosaics in West Weald

SeaGtGruff

Was it a dolmen, or just one of those mini-incursions? I don't think the mini-incursions count, because I closed one down and didn't get credit for the Golden Pursuits, either.

They seem to be odd cases as far as how they're classified, because they drop zone set jewelry pieces like dolmens do, but during Witches Festival they drop (IIRC) "Public, Sweeper" plunder skulls like public dungeon and overland quest bosses do.

But if you meant a dolmen, then yes, that would have been a bug.

c363b

It was a mini. Thanks for the clarification.

whitecrow

The tooltip says incursions AND world events, so they should count.

virtus753

whitecrow wrote: »

The tooltip says incursions AND world events, so they should count.

The Dark Fissures are neither, as far as counting towards endeavors/golden pursuits.

From what does count, a “world event” seems to be a much bigger encounter than six basepop mobs.

whitecrow

virtus753 wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

The tooltip says incursions AND world events, so they should count.

The Dark Fissures are neither, as far as counting towards endeavors/golden pursuits.

From what does count, a “world event” seems to be a much bigger encounter than six basepop mobs.

Then what is a world event that is NOT an incursion?

SeaGtGruff

whitecrow wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

The tooltip says incursions AND world events, so they should count.

The Dark Fissures are neither, as far as counting towards endeavors/golden pursuits.

From what does count, a “world event” seems to be a much bigger encounter than six basepop mobs.

Then what is a world event that is NOT an incursion?

I think maybe they used both terms because players sometimes use either term (because of how the game sometimes uses either term), such as how "group bosses" and "world bosses" are actually the same things even though "group bosses" is more rarely used and can mislead some players into thinking it means "public dungeon group event bosses" but it doesn't.

Toanis

Calling the big group world events incursions is a bit misleading since not all really are.

While a small Daedra strike team teleporting into Tamriel definitely is an incursion in the literal sense (but doesn't count as an Incursion for events), a Harrowstorm is more akin to domestic terrorism and a Dragon is like a rabid beast.

Dreameira

Yeah it can be confusing; I think this pursuit activity should have just called them "world events". I think "incursion" is the old term for world events, before they came up with new types like dragons where the term "incursion" doesn't maybe fit so well anymore.

virtus753

whitecrow wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

The tooltip says incursions AND world events, so they should count.

The Dark Fissures are neither, as far as counting towards endeavors/golden pursuits.

From what does count, a “world event” seems to be a much bigger encounter than six basepop mobs.

Then what is a world event that is NOT an incursion?

This is a good question. To add to what was said above:

ZOS is not always clear in their phrasing as to whether they consider categories coordinate or subordinate. For a long time Minor Slayer said it worked only in trials and dungeons, but it also worked in arenas. That implied that arenas were a subset of trials or dungeons, until ZOS corrected the wording to include arenas as a third category in parallel to the others.

It may be that they consider World Events to be subsets of Incursions (as World Events gave Incursion skulls during Witches Festival). Incursions may be a subset of World Events. They may be transitioning, as Dreameira suggested, from one to the other. As similar as they are, though, there are some key distinctions between Dolmens (definitively a type of Incursion) and (other) World Events: for example, World Event daily quests give Affix scripts, but Dolmen daily quests (i.e. Fighters Guild dailies) give Signature scripts. ZOS would be the ones to be able to clarify the intent behind their usage of these terms.

Based on the examples we have for known World Events (e.g. geysers, harrowstorms, mirrormoor incursions), it seems they’re a type of encounter that has many basepop enemies followed by at least one boss that is always a 3-point enemy. By “point” I mean the number of spikes coming out from the health bar which signify the difficulty of the enemy. (By contrast, the biggest/most difficult mob in a Dark Fissure is 1 point, the same difficulty as an overland troll.) Several 1-point elites are also included among the pre-boss enemies in the World Events mentioned above. Then there is the boss.

Dolmens/Dark Anchors likewise have many trash mobs (no points), several 1-point elites that spawn throughout the fight, and then a bigger boss (named or generic).

The analogy above to Dark Fissures being “mini” Dolmens seems appropriate, as they have many fewer enemies and much less difficult ones than Dolmens. They have no boss comparable to the ones found in Dolmens/World Events.

So (to pick up on Toanis’s point) while Dark Fissures may be considered incursions, they are not Incursions. And while they are events that happen in the world, they are not World Events. Just like how the boar fight for Jester’s is a fight that takes place in an arena but is not an Arena for endeavor/Golden Pursuit purposes. And how “people” is limited to “innocent citizens” for endeavors, and how each enemy has its own single category for “kill” endeavors, even if that enemy belongs to several “kill” endeavor categories by nature. These things are categorized by how the devs want to classify them, which is not always transparent (to circle back to the World Event and Incursion labels) or the same as the decisions we would make. It can be frustrating.

zaria

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

The tooltip says incursions AND world events, so they should count.

The Dark Fissures are neither, as far as counting towards endeavors/golden pursuits.

From what does count, a “world event” seems to be a much bigger encounter than six basepop mobs.

Then what is a world event that is NOT an incursion?

I think maybe they used both terms because players sometimes use either term (because of how the game sometimes uses either term), such as how "group bosses" and "world bosses" are actually the same things even though "group bosses" is more rarely used and can mislead some players into thinking it means "public dungeon group event bosses" but it doesn't.

Agree, for this one an most others an group boss is an public dungeon boss, usually the skill point one but technically correct for the others.
Yes its also technically correct for group dungeons and trial bosses but that is stupid.
World boss is the overland boss marked by an skull, not dragons or wandering bosses.