Event double xp not applying to kills

BahometZ

Unlike every double xp event in ESO history i have not been getting 100% more xp from kills. Is this deliberate? This kind of removes the most reliable way of levelling skills in the game. Would appreciate knowing if this will revert at some point.

Xarc

Leave cyrodiil, you will get the AP

BahometZ

Xarc wrote: »

Leave cyrodiil, you will get the AP

This isn't about cyrodiil or AP?

Munkfist

Be sure to add as much info/context as possible.

On PC-NA, I've not noticed any EXP missing while doing my usual killing loops.

BahometZ

Fair. I just tested it on two different characters with the same setup in black rose prison and xp gains from kills are half what they should be if the double xp was in effect. Xbox NA for what it's worth.

virtus753

BahometZ wrote: »

Fair. I just tested it on two different characters with the same setup in black rose prison and xp gains from kills are half what they should be if the double xp was in effect. Xbox NA for what it's worth.

Could you explain your setup in terms of xp buffs? Based on your observation about getting half of the amount you expect, you’re using no training gear, Mora’s Whispers, Ring of Mara, ESO+, or xp scrolls/potions for this test? And you’re not in a group?

The event provides +100% base xp and stacks additively with those buffs, so the only way to get exactly twice the non-event xp during the event is not to be using any of those additive buffs.

The more of those buffs you have, the lower your relative gain from the event bonus. If you stack them all, you could be getting a relative gain as low as 26% on xp from kills during the event. For example:

100% base
+95% training (7 gold armor for 77% and gold weapons with Heartland for 18%) (kill xp only)
+15% Mora’s Whispers (kill xp only)
+10% group of two (kill xp only)
+10% ESO+
+10% Ring of Mara
+150% xp scroll/potion
= 390% xp from kills outside of the event

+100% event
=490% xp from kills during the event

4.9/3.9 = 1.26, or a 26% relative gain

(Technically Highborn gets added too, if applicable, but that buff is so small that the final result would still be 1.256. I may be missing another additive source as well. Enlightenment is multiplicative, so it doesn’t affect the relative gain.)

If you have none of those buffs and are getting the same xp during the event as outside of it, then that would sound like a bug. But if you have any of them, they need to be taken into account when calculating what to expect during the event, as you do not get double the total, just double the base.

SeaGtGruff

We no longer need to use the Pie of Misrule to get the XP buff, and the XP buff is no longer listed under Active Effects on our Character sheet, but it should still be occurring. I haven't tested to see if it's actually being applied, but I'm just pointing out that it's no longer listed on the Character sheet, in case that's confusing things. This has been the case with every event that grants the 100% XP bonus ever since the need to use the event thingy (pie, cake, whistle, etc.) has been eliminated.

BahometZ

virtus753 wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

Fair. I just tested it on two different characters with the same setup in black rose prison and xp gains from kills are half what they should be if the double xp was in effect. Xbox NA for what it's worth.

Could you explain your setup in terms of xp buffs? Based on your observation about getting half of the amount you expect, you’re using no training gear, Mora’s Whispers, Ring of Mara, ESO+, or xp scrolls/potions for this test? And you’re not in a group?

The event provides +100% base xp and stacks additively with those buffs, so the only way to get exactly twice the non-event xp during the event is not to be using any of those additive buffs.

The more of those buffs you have, the lower your relative gain from the event bonus. If you stack them all, you could be getting a relative gain as low as 26% on xp from kills during the event. For example:

100% base
+95% training (7 gold armor for 77% and gold weapons with Heartland for 18%) (kill xp only)
+15% Mora’s Whispers (kill xp only)
+10% group of two (kill xp only)
+10% ESO+
+10% Ring of Mara
+150% xp scroll/potion
= 390% xp from kills outside of the event

+100% event
=490% xp from kills during the event

4.9/3.9 = 1.26, or a 26% relative gain

(Technically Highborn gets added too, if applicable, but that buff is so small that the final result would still be 1.256. I may be missing another additive source as well. Enlightenment is multiplicative, so it doesn’t affect the relative gain.)

If you have none of those buffs and are getting the same xp during the event as outside of it, then that would sound like a bug. But if you have any of them, they need to be taken into account when calculating what to expect during the event, as you do not get double the total, just double the base.

Sorry you went to all that bother. I know all those buffs and I have all possible xp bonuses you can have when solo. Every double xp event I grind some xp and know what the numbers should look like. And the numbers aren't there. Everything is the same in my setup as its always been. The only difference is its a double xp event but the double xp ain't doing what it normally does. Maybe it's just a blackrose thing, but it's still a thing.

If it's intended I guess I need to find a new grind, which is unfortunate.

virtus753

BahometZ wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

Fair. I just tested it on two different characters with the same setup in black rose prison and xp gains from kills are half what they should be if the double xp was in effect. Xbox NA for what it's worth.

Could you explain your setup in terms of xp buffs? Based on your observation about getting half of the amount you expect, you’re using no training gear, Mora’s Whispers, Ring of Mara, ESO+, or xp scrolls/potions for this test? And you’re not in a group?

The event provides +100% base xp and stacks additively with those buffs, so the only way to get exactly twice the non-event xp during the event is not to be using any of those additive buffs.

The more of those buffs you have, the lower your relative gain from the event bonus. If you stack them all, you could be getting a relative gain as low as 26% on xp from kills during the event. For example:

100% base
+95% training (7 gold armor for 77% and gold weapons with Heartland for 18%) (kill xp only)
+15% Mora’s Whispers (kill xp only)
+10% group of two (kill xp only)
+10% ESO+
+10% Ring of Mara
+150% xp scroll/potion
= 390% xp from kills outside of the event

+100% event
=490% xp from kills during the event

4.9/3.9 = 1.26, or a 26% relative gain

(Technically Highborn gets added too, if applicable, but that buff is so small that the final result would still be 1.256. I may be missing another additive source as well. Enlightenment is multiplicative, so it doesn’t affect the relative gain.)

If you have none of those buffs and are getting the same xp during the event as outside of it, then that would sound like a bug. But if you have any of them, they need to be taken into account when calculating what to expect during the event, as you do not get double the total, just double the base.

Sorry you went to all that bother. I know all those buffs and I have all possible xp bonuses you can have when solo. Every double xp event I grind some xp and know what the numbers should look like. And the numbers aren't there. Everything is the same in my setup as its always been. The only difference is its a double xp event but the double xp ain't doing what it normally does. Maybe it's just a blackrose thing, but it's still a thing.

If it's intended I guess I need to find a new grind, which is unfortunate.

It’s no trouble to write out xp buffs. Even if you’re familiar, others may not be, so it's worth explaining.

On PTS on a level 50 character I get 1707 xp per trash mob in nBRP. That's 110% of the base, since I have ESO+ and there's no event active.

When I use a 50% xp scroll, I get 2483 xp per trash mob, which is 160% of the base.

160%/110% = 1.455
2483/1707 = 1.455

The ratios of xp match the ratios of the additive bonuses, as expected.

On live on a level 50 character I get 13,036 per trash mob, since I have enlightenment.

Enlightenment is just a 4x multiplier, so I would have gotten 3259 xp per trash mob without it.

I have no buffs other than ESO+ active on live, so I should be getting the 100% base xp, 100% event xp, and 10% ESO+ buff.

We know from the PTS numbers that 1707 represents 110%, so 100% is 1552.

And 1552 x 2.1 = 3259, the amount I'm getting on PC with 210% xp buffs between the event and ESO+.

The event bonus is clearly working on kills in BRP on PC. That doesn't prove what's going on with console, but it does show that this isn't a gamewide bug or change.

If I were stacking all possible solo buffs for xp from kills, I'd be getting 470% of the 1552 figure, or about 7294 per trash mob.

I don't have a console account and so can't check there. I know that in gamepad mode, however, xp is rounded to the hundreds in the native UI once you exceed 1k, which means it's annoyingly difficult to test specific numbers. If you can provide the number you see from one trash mob kill on console, though (either rounded or if there's a UI add-on now accessible that can print specific numbers to chat), I would be happy to look at the math. Without more specifics, it's hard to know what the exact issue is.

madman65

I would have to state that the XP is not in effect. When I do the RND i can level up 2-3 levels without and other xp`s running so OP has a point.

BahometZ

Being on console it's tricky to capture all the maths so I appreciate the pc perspective.

Djennku

virtus753 wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

Fair. I just tested it on two different characters with the same setup in black rose prison and xp gains from kills are half what they should be if the double xp was in effect. Xbox NA for what it's worth.

Could you explain your setup in terms of xp buffs? Based on your observation about getting half of the amount you expect, you’re using no training gear, Mora’s Whispers, Ring of Mara, ESO+, or xp scrolls/potions for this test? And you’re not in a group?

The event provides +100% base xp and stacks additively with those buffs, so the only way to get exactly twice the non-event xp during the event is not to be using any of those additive buffs.

The more of those buffs you have, the lower your relative gain from the event bonus. If you stack them all, you could be getting a relative gain as low as 26% on xp from kills during the event. For example:

100% base
+95% training (7 gold armor for 77% and gold weapons with Heartland for 18%) (kill xp only)
+15% Mora’s Whispers (kill xp only)
+10% group of two (kill xp only)
+10% ESO+
+10% Ring of Mara
+150% xp scroll/potion
= 390% xp from kills outside of the event

+100% event
=490% xp from kills during the event

4.9/3.9 = 1.26, or a 26% relative gain

(Technically Highborn gets added too, if applicable, but that buff is so small that the final result would still be 1.256. I may be missing another additive source as well. Enlightenment is multiplicative, so it doesn’t affect the relative gain.)

If you have none of those buffs and are getting the same xp during the event as outside of it, then that would sound like a bug. But if you have any of them, they need to be taken into account when calculating what to expect during the event, as you do not get double the total, just double the base.

What kind of backwards math is that? You don't lose XP gain when adding more xp gain bonuses. It does not have diminshing returns and is not multiplicitive like mitigation. Also, this logic is just wrong to begin with.

If you have a total 490% boost to xp you are going to get 490% more xp from a kill than you would with no xp bonuses available. I don't understand how it's that complicated.

Also, just because people throw out a bunch of math does not mean it is accurate or even correct.

UrQuan

Djennku wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

Fair. I just tested it on two different characters with the same setup in black rose prison and xp gains from kills are half what they should be if the double xp was in effect. Xbox NA for what it's worth.

Could you explain your setup in terms of xp buffs? Based on your observation about getting half of the amount you expect, you’re using no training gear, Mora’s Whispers, Ring of Mara, ESO+, or xp scrolls/potions for this test? And you’re not in a group?

The event provides +100% base xp and stacks additively with those buffs, so the only way to get exactly twice the non-event xp during the event is not to be using any of those additive buffs.

The more of those buffs you have, the lower your relative gain from the event bonus. If you stack them all, you could be getting a relative gain as low as 26% on xp from kills during the event. For example:

100% base
+95% training (7 gold armor for 77% and gold weapons with Heartland for 18%) (kill xp only)
+15% Mora’s Whispers (kill xp only)
+10% group of two (kill xp only)
+10% ESO+
+10% Ring of Mara
+150% xp scroll/potion
= 390% xp from kills outside of the event

+100% event
=490% xp from kills during the event

4.9/3.9 = 1.26, or a 26% relative gain

(Technically Highborn gets added too, if applicable, but that buff is so small that the final result would still be 1.256. I may be missing another additive source as well. Enlightenment is multiplicative, so it doesn’t affect the relative gain.)

If you have none of those buffs and are getting the same xp during the event as outside of it, then that would sound like a bug. But if you have any of them, they need to be taken into account when calculating what to expect during the event, as you do not get double the total, just double the base.

What kind of backwards math is that? You don't lose XP gain when adding more xp gain bonuses. It does not have diminshing returns and is not multiplicitive like mitigation. Also, this logic is just wrong to begin with.

If you have a total 490% boost to xp you are going to get 490% more xp from a kill than you would with no xp bonuses available. I don't understand how it's that complicated.

Also, just because people throw out a bunch of math does not mean it is accurate or even correct.

You didn't understand what he was showing with that math. The key word that he used several times that you seem to have missed is "relative."

He was showing that if your sources of xp boosts give you a total of 490% of normal xp, then you'll get 490% of normal xp, but if you've got all those non-event boosts then the relative amount your xp is boosted specifically by the event bonus is not going to be 100% of what you were earning with all the other boosts.

In other words, he's saying that if you're already getting 390% of normal xp without including the event boost, then the event boost isn't going to give you double xp per kill compared to what you were getting per kill at 390%. You'll instead be earning ~26% more per kill compared to what you were getting at 390% normal xp. Say the base xp earned per kill is 100 (to keep the math easy). With non-event boosts that bring you up to 390% of normal xp you earn 390 xp per kill (remember that the 390% includes the base 100% you normally get). Then when you add in the 100% event boost you're earning 490 per kill. 490 is not double 390, it's a ~26% increase. Understand now?

BahometZ

@ZOS_Kevin i know there's a lot of balls in the air right now, but is it possible for someone to check this?