how are people hanging in mid air

Theignson

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin please can you encourage support to be somewhat considerate of servers showing different things to players based on latency. A friend of mine was banned for 2 weeks when the meteor bug used to show people stuck high up in the air but he was running around perfectly normally on his screen.
(was a perma but luckily he had a vod of his entire gameplay to prove himself innocent)

By all means they should investigate any report but equally these types of bug do happen rather often especially in cyrodiil lag. (I don't know and haven't see anything like that recently and @Theignson has played for a while so likely knows about the pre-existing issues so might not be reporting that)

This is a new thing. last few months. Usually when fighting in keeps or resources towers. The player shoots out entirely horizontally from the keep/tower, very quickly. Then they hang in air. Then different things can happen. Sometimes they maneuver back towards the edge in the same horizontal plane. Sometimes they fall to the ground.

Maybe it is some sort of desync but it is a very "useful" bug, since you can't attack them when they shoot out in mid air.

zaria

davidtk wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

I think what the OP is referring to is players triggering this intentionally, which is certainly a thing.

Yes exactly. Obviously most of these players don't PvP and have no clue what I'm talking baout. So does anyone know exactly how they trigger it intentionally? It is "not" normal game physics.

Is this what you're referring to?



I didn't capture this player in motion. They are floating. I've known players who can do this at will, but I don't know how. It's not just a Cyrodiil thing.

It's also possible to contort the model into ridiculous poses.

This is server <-> client desync I think, nothing special with larger ping...
Its the same as standing on the mount.

Except the old running on top of horse bug was visible by other players.

Now if you are an high elf and get high enough I think hanging in mid air is plausible

zaria

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin please can you encourage support to be somewhat considerate of servers showing different things to players based on latency. A friend of mine was banned for 2 weeks when the meteor bug used to show people stuck high up in the air but he was running around perfectly normally on his screen.
(was a perma but luckily he had a vod of his entire gameplay to prove himself innocent)

By all means they should investigate any report but equally these types of bug do happen rather often especially in cyrodiil lag. (I don't know and haven't see anything like that recently and @Theignson has played for a while so likely knows about the pre-existing issues so might not be reporting that)

Also take the potato client and the net in here. For some on an potato in Australia they would get much more glitches than standard.

SeaGtGruff

I think people in this thread are talking about two different things:

(1) Players jumping into the air and being able to "freeze" themselves in midair by deliberately doing something on their end.

(2) Players "freezing" in the middle of doing something without meaning to, often due to some kind of lag spike or overload caused by things beyond their control going on in their general vicinity.

I'm pretty sure I've had (2) happen to me during battles in Cyrodiil, although it's hard to know what it looks like to other players because I can't see anything except a sudden loading screen which makes me afraid that I'm about to get disconnected.

davidtk

Dragonnord wrote: »

No one can do that at will. It's because of bugs, desync, lag and loading screens.

I've seen all of those situations:

- Players floating while dead (bug - happened to friends/guild mates and I keep seeing that from time to time.)

- Players moving on the ground while dead (bug - happened to me.)

- Players idle floating in the air because of lag spike or because of player got sudden loading screen (happened to me too and guild mates were seeing me just like in pictures above in comments #20 and #26.)
 

Yes, these happened to me too.

Btw OP talking in the post #12 about who dont do PvP dont have clue what he is talking about. But I do PvP and I dont have amy clue what OP means, rofl.

For example I encountered yesterday that enemy could res his dead ally through stairs in the keep or even through the ceiling. (Corner of the keep walls)

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Theignson wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin please can you encourage support to be somewhat considerate of servers showing different things to players based on latency. A friend of mine was banned for 2 weeks when the meteor bug used to show people stuck high up in the air but he was running around perfectly normally on his screen.
(was a perma but luckily he had a vod of his entire gameplay to prove himself innocent)

By all means they should investigate any report but equally these types of bug do happen rather often especially in cyrodiil lag. (I don't know and haven't see anything like that recently and @Theignson has played for a while so likely knows about the pre-existing issues so might not be reporting that)

This is a new thing. last few months. Usually when fighting in keeps or resources towers. The player shoots out entirely horizontally from the keep/tower, very quickly. Then they hang in air. Then different things can happen. Sometimes they maneuver back towards the edge in the same horizontal plane. Sometimes they fall to the ground.

Maybe it is some sort of desync but it is a very "useful" bug, since you can't attack them when they shoot out in mid air.

This is most likely due to the knockback from a skill like elemental explosion. I know for sure that i've been knocked back by things like flame clench and been able to break free and direct myself back onto a ledge before falling. It just depends on the angle of the knockback and which knockback effect, clench, explosion and possibly a few others do this.

Finedaible

Not sure about floating but I've seen a player jump - while on a mount - straight from the outer wall of a keep onto the inner/upper wall somehow. They then appeared back down to their original spot so I assumed it was either me hallucinating or it was just some fluke visual bug.

zaria

Dragonnord wrote: »

No one can do that at will. It's because of bugs, desync, lag and loading screens.

I've seen all of those situations:

- Players floating while dead (bug - happened to friends/guild mates and I keep seeing that from time to time.)

- Players moving on the ground while dead (bug - happened to me.)

- Players idle floating in the air because of lag spike or because of player got sudden loading screen (happened to me too and guild mates were seeing me just like in pictures above in comments #20 and #26.)
 

Has not seen this, but remember an guild mate from south Africa, we was just doing an resources and chasing some enemies but he had so much lag that it looked like he was using sorcerer streak as he was porting 6-8 meter on each update but he was not on an sorcerer not did it had the streak effects.
None of the others has any issues and game was smooth for me.

Just_Attivi

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

If you see this happening, please take a picture or video and then report either in-game or on the web ticketing tool. We can have our teams review and see why some folks are defying gravity.

Worth noting I think sometimes this is a data transfer thing. I recall an instance where a partner and I were on a couple of gankers at Drakelowe Farm, on the rocky cliff ledge, and my partner asks me how Im flying. Im confused, as Im just standing on the ledge on my screen. They share their screen, and sure enough, I am a solid 2 character heights (of at least breton height) above the ground standing in air. Walking in one direction I would descend as If walking down a hill even though it was mostly flat rock. Walking back Id ascend into the air until I hit the boundary of the ledge and fell appropriately to the ground below. My partner stayed flat on the ground when I observed them in the same location. Trying to recreate it later on, nothing happened, both of us stayed grounded.

By no means cheats/hax/exploits, literally just existing and the servers decided "no gravity from your POV" and I didnt even get to see it from my own view.
Similar instances have happened elsewhere, Ive seen people floating above the D Ring of an outpost (but clearly still staying 'on' it as they followed its shape until they reached the stairs) Ive seen people crash mid jump off the keep and "float" for about 5 minutes before the server realized they were gone. Ive seen peoples mounts go invisible and all I see is a strange speedy Waddle coming at me until they dismount their invisible mount.

Not saying no one in the history of the game has ever done anything shady, but do keep in mind that the frequency of these events is not rare at all, spend any time in Grayhost in prime time youre likely to see it at least once or twice, and more often than not isnt anyone doing anything malicious, more likely performance problems.

tmacedo

I can say for my poor laptop performance that sometimes i got an entire region separated by a line that is not fully rendered yet. If I try to cross the line while jumping the toon will be stuck in the air while everything is loading. If i try to cross by the ground he will be running forever in the same place. Its actually funny and happens a lot to me between mournhold entrance and undaunted enclave.

Also sometimes I get stuck inside objects before they render, in tents or even stairs. Happens also in some bg matches where I get stuck under the spawn point.

Theignson

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin please can you encourage support to be somewhat considerate of servers showing different things to players based on latency. A friend of mine was banned for 2 weeks when the meteor bug used to show people stuck high up in the air but he was running around perfectly normally on his screen.
(was a perma but luckily he had a vod of his entire gameplay to prove himself innocent)

By all means they should investigate any report but equally these types of bug do happen rather often especially in cyrodiil lag. (I don't know and haven't see anything like that recently and @Theignson has played for a while so likely knows about the pre-existing issues so might not be reporting that)

This is a new thing. last few months. Usually when fighting in keeps or resources towers. The player shoots out entirely horizontally from the keep/tower, very quickly. Then they hang in air. Then different things can happen. Sometimes they maneuver back towards the edge in the same horizontal plane. Sometimes they fall to the ground.

Maybe it is some sort of desync but it is a very "useful" bug, since you can't attack them when they shoot out in mid air.

This is most likely due to the knockback from a skill like elemental explosion. I know for sure that i've been knocked back by things like flame clench and been able to break free and direct myself back onto a ledge before falling. It just depends on the angle of the knockback and which knockback effect, clench, explosion and possibly a few others do this.

Probably is elemental explosion since I haven't seen this particular thing until a few months ago. The players shoot straight out in a horizontal plane.

Varana

"you can't attack them when they shoot out in mid air"
I also wonder if you could attack them - just not where they seem to be, and instead would have to hit them where your client or the server thinks they are. Or at least indirectly hit them with AoE.

LootAllTheStuff

Varana wrote: »

"you can't attack them when they shoot out in mid air"
I also wonder if you could attack them - just not where they seem to be, and instead would have to hit them where your client or the server thinks they are. Or at least indirectly hit them with AoE.

That's potentially one way of figuring out what's going on: drop an AoE (or several if you can) and look to see if anything lights up out of place.