32.5k dmg in 1.8 seconds? How?

Nightwiish · February 22

Sorc dmg. Anyone care to explain how this is ok?

Xarc · February 22

it's normal, he's sorc.

Renato90085 · February 22

which part is wrong?

Artanisul · February 22

This is what they call weaving. They claim its not exploitive, lol
Thanks for that screen shot though.

Dojohoda · February 22

Sorc doing the Snap, Crackle, Pop.

langewapper · February 22

maybe he has a 'special' keyboard with AI

TheValkyn · February 22

It looks like he’s not on the global cooldown or lag maybe? Your client only gathers what’s sent to it and it’s possible that it was slow sending it to you. The client, for timing purposes, is not authoritative.

ESOs global cooldown is ~1 second. There are 3 cast ed, direct damage abilities being initial fury, healing soul, and streak, in the screenshot above. Those alone should take ~3 seconds.

(I didn’t include light attacks because of weaving nor the proc of fury or crystal weapons)

Varana · February 22

Artanisul wrote: »

This is what they call weaving. They claim its not exploitive, lol
Thanks for that screen shot though.

The "weaving" part is that single light attack in the middle (and at the end, but that didn't do any damage). The rest are just normal skills.

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Why are 18k dps somehow problematic?

madman65 · February 22

TheValkyn wrote: »

It looks like he’s not on the global cooldown or lag maybe? Your client only gathers what’s sent to it and it’s possible that it was slow sending it to you. The client, for timing purposes, is not authoritative.

ESOs global cooldown is ~1 second. There are 3 cast ed, direct damage abilities being initial fury, healing soul, and streak, in the screenshot above. Those alone should take ~3 seconds.

(I didn’t include light attacks because of weaving nor the proc of fury or crystal weapons)

Correct, so there are two things that could happen. Macro and/or pinging to rubberband the attacks. I have been hit like this before with ultimates and that`s why I don`t like PVP.

YandereGirlfriend · February 22

Ah, I remember when Snipe would reliably de-sync people and recaps were full of things like this.

L_Nici · February 22

Weird. In PvE 100k DPS is normal, but in PvP 32.5k are problematic somehow.

RealLoveBVB · February 22

L_Nici wrote: »

Weird. In PvE 100k DPS is normal, but in PvP 32.5k are problematic somehow.

Because those 100k dps in pve isn't burst damage, but stacked dots/aoes and decent weaving.

Pvpers usually also have higher armor and other resistances.

KiltMaster · February 22

weaving + dots?

Alchimiste1 · February 22

Honestly based on the timing for the numbers alone it's pretty sus because things are happening that ignore the global cooldown. Now I don't know if thats actually what happened or just the addon not working right because of lag.

moo_2021 · February 22

Macro couldn't do anything the game doesn't allow you to do, since it only automates keyboard/mouse commands.

Crystal weapons were preloaded to fire twice.
Endless fury refired in 1.5s but should have been 4s. wrong. It's within 4s.

It could be due to desync. Never checked sorc but it's quite common with templar or arcanist beams. Often I couldn't see anything until 1-2 seconds already passed, despite my desync is around 100-150ms.

Nightwiish · February 22

moo_2021 wrote: »

Macro couldn't do anything the game doesn't allow you to do, since it only automates keyboard/mouse commands.

Crystal weapons were preloaded to fire twice.
Endless fury refired in 1.5s but should have been 4s.

It could be due to desync. Never checked sorc but it's quite common with templar or arcanist beams. Often I couldn't see anything until 1-2 seconds already passed, despite my desync is around 100-150ms.

Look at all the Light Attacks, all 3 are literally being fired within .001 second of the actual skill which is impossible to do manually weaving...

Thumbless_Bot · February 22

There was a DK in IC yesterday doing some, what i would call, amazing things that seemed to defy the laws of cooldown. I seemed to get hit with four skills at once and my health went from 36k to about 10k over and over. I mained DK for seven years and wasn't able to do that. Ive never seen anything like it. I chalked it up to lag.... a lot of lag in pvp during the event. Maybe they were just OP, maybe. . But definitely sus.

IncultaWolf · February 22

Normal sorcerer things in pvp

Decimus · February 22

Nightwiish wrote: »

Sorc dmg. Anyone care to explain how this is ok?

What you've got here is a person who pre-cast Crystal Weapon and then light attacked you three times with skills weaved in.

"Healing Soul" is actually the Shock damage scribe of Wield Soul, the display is bugged on combat log and shows you the morph you have yourself instead.

Full rotation of the person:
Crystal Weapon (lasts 5 seconds, gives you two damage instances when you connect next two light attacks)
Light Attack+Endless Fury
Light Attack+Healing Shocking Soul
Light Attack+Streak
<Endless Fury goes off as you drop in the execute range>

dragonlord500 · February 23

Dojohoda wrote: »

Sorc doing the Snap, Crackle, Pop.

this pretty much sums it up

Yudo · February 23

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

Honestly based on the timing for the numbers alone it's pretty sus because things are happening that ignore the global cooldown. Now I don't know if that's actually what happened or just the addon not working right because of lag.

You would normally expected the standard 1s global cooldown but the timing on logs you should see more like hit log, rather than cast logs. You can end up with sub 1s numbers on casts like this. Even on a dummy you can get sub 1s weaves if some forward movement is involved between two casts.

This can happen due to projectile flight time, for example cast one light attack from range, target uses a gap closer, and gets hit by next la. The projectile flight time is subtracted from the logs. For some skills even animation cancelling can do this, like hard cast crystal into proc cast crystal.

Cast time is actually not visible to us so better to look at gap between casts.

61.0: Light Attack + Endless Fury HIT
61.6: Light Attack + Soul HIT
62.8: Light Attack + Streak HIT

0.6s gap followed by 1.2 s gap. First one can happen with movement, the second one is more standard.
You can also see this as as .9s +.9s, which looks more realistic. This is logs doing logs things and you have to read it carefully.

Renato90085 · February 23

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

Weird. In PvE 100k DPS is normal, but in PvP 32.5k are problematic somehow.

Because those 100k dps in pve isn't burst damage, but stacked dots/aoes and decent weaving.

Pvpers usually also have higher armor and other resistances.

some class (arc)pve burst damage can be 180~220k,but yes you are right,pve mobs/boss alway 0 armor and you have buff from tank/healer/sup dps
pvp 99% time you not have group buff, have armor and pvp zone buff (dmg only 50%)

robpr · February 23

Nightwiish wrote: »

Look at all the Light Attacks, all 3 are literally being fired within .001 second of the actual skill which is impossible to do manually weaving...

Crystal weapon adds a damage instance when your LA hits, not when you cast the skill. And since you can see 2 instances, one hitting for 3k and another one for 1k, single CW was precasted before first Overload LA hit in this log that was cancelled by Endless Fury.

WaywardArgonian · February 23

Delayed burst.

coop500 · February 23

Sadly, this does look intended. Endless Fury sticks to you from the first cast for an extra handful of seconds and triggers on you again once you get low HP, the sorc doesn't have to recast it for that.
Everyone explained what Crystal Weapons does, but yeah it's a skill he primed and it automatically buffs his light attacks for the next handful of seconds. He's not firing it manually that fast.

Let this be another nerf sorc thread lol.

Alchimiste1 · February 23

Yudo wrote: »

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

Honestly based on the timing for the numbers alone it's pretty sus because things are happening that ignore the global cooldown. Now I don't know if that's actually what happened or just the addon not working right because of lag.

You would normally expected the standard 1s global cooldown but the timing on logs you should see more like hit log, rather than cast logs. You can end up with sub 1s numbers on casts like this. Even on a dummy you can get sub 1s weaves if some forward movement is involved between two casts.

This can happen due to projectile flight time, for example cast one light attack from range, target uses a gap closer, and gets hit by next la. The projectile flight time is subtracted from the logs. For some skills even animation cancelling can do this, like hard cast crystal into proc cast crystal.

Cast time is actually not visible to us so better to look at gap between casts.

61.0: Light Attack + Endless Fury HIT
61.6: Light Attack + Soul HIT
62.8: Light Attack + Streak HIT

0.6s gap followed by 1.2 s gap. First one can happen with movement, the second one is more standard.
You can also see this as as .9s +.9s, which looks more realistic. This is logs doing logs things and you have to read it carefully.

The OL streak into OL something is what came to mind just solely from experience fighting sorcs but I couldn’t say since I never use cmx for that. Good to know

Theignson · February 23

Decimus wrote: »

Nightwiish wrote: »

Sorc dmg. Anyone care to explain how this is ok?

What you've got here is a person who pre-cast Crystal Weapon and then light attacked you three times with skills weaved in.

"Healing Soul" is actually the Shock damage scribe of Wield Soul, the display is bugged on combat log and shows you the morph you have yourself instead.

Full rotation of the person:
Crystal Weapon (lasts 5 seconds, gives you two damage instances when you connect next two light attacks)
Light Attack+Endless Fury
Light Attack+Healing Shocking Soul
Light Attack+Streak
<Endless Fury goes off as you drop in the execute range>

Newer players should study this post by Decimus. It sheds light on the key tactic in PvP: burst damage. There are certain standard combos that allow damage to land all at once or within a short period of time. The way is works is by delayed skills. The second hit of Endless fury is one: it goes off if within 4 seconds your health drops.
Warden's Shalks is another classic example: it doesn't go off right away, but only after a couple seconds. That means you can time it so all the skills hit at once.
Also crystal weapon + the ultimate, power overload, make light attacks devastating from sorcs (if Overload doesn't bug out)