Is it lag or is it Charmed? Charming lag?

dark_hunterxmg

Is a CC of this type good for the game? Charmed is often indistinguishable from game lag. Half the time it may be that you've been cc'd, half the time it may be poor game performance. Do I break free or do it wait for the lag to stop? If there are more than 5 players in one place it's a 50/50 chance of either as far as I can see.

i11ionward

Yes, warden's class mastery script is terrible especially in combination with Binding Contingency. And no, I'm not asking to nerf these scripts, I would just like some visual and sound changes.

1. Warden's class mastery script, or to be precise the moment when you get charmed, should be accompanied by a sound and a clear visual effect. Now you just start moving chaotically in different directions, and it is not always clear whether it is a lag or you actually got charmed.
2. Binding Contingency (Immobilize Focus Script) also does not have any visual effect on an attacked character. Make clear visual effects on a target like Dark Talons, Bombard, Shattering Spines, etc. By the way, there are also skills that do not have a visual effect of immobilization on the target, for example Abyssal Impact, and perhaps others that I don’t know about.

Together with Dragon Leap and Rush of Agony, all these skills create long chains of unbreakable control, which is not fun.

dark_hunterxmg

I don't want to see it nerfed, I want to see it gone. Since that is unlikely to happen, a visual cue would be very helpful. We need to actually be able to break free from it as well. As it is now, it takes several attemtps to be able to break free. The animation seems to get stuck in a cycle, kind of like when a guard chain pulls you over a 5 second time period. The animation has to finish and get to the end of whatever visual it's doing before the break free actually happens. During this time you will be hit by anything and everything including more charmed.

Pelanora

More charmed!

Coo_PnT

I use this ability in Warden for PvP and find this CC very powerful.
I think it would be better to visualize and add sound as mentioned within this thread. Weakening it may be unavoidable.

The_Meathead

It could absolutely use some sort of visual indicator.

I'm torn on it even existing, honestly. On one hand, I really like when they have stuff that adds flavor and something truly different to the game - but on the other, the old Fear was changed because of issues now present with Charm (ie, running inside walls) so it seems silly it was added back to a different class?

On the third hand (because I have three, it's fine!) I really hate being hit with it, so any further commentary will be entirely biased.

Bushido2513

The_Meathead wrote: »

It could absolutely use some sort of visual indicator.

I'm torn on it even existing, honestly. On one hand, I really like when they have stuff that adds flavor and something truly different to the game - but on the other, the old Fear was changed because of issues now present with Charm (ie, running inside walls) so it seems silly it was added back to a different class?

On the third hand (because I have three, it's fine!) I really hate being hit with it, so any further commentary will be entirely biased.

Yeah but what's weird for me is that this doesn't really add flavor to the warden in my opinion. How is a warden charming people lol? Maybe at least have an animation of the warden showing a cute yt animal video or something.

But seriously who thought let's give the warden this particular cc?

The_Meathead

Bushido2513 wrote: »

The_Meathead wrote: »

It could absolutely use some sort of visual indicator.

I'm torn on it even existing, honestly. On one hand, I really like when they have stuff that adds flavor and something truly different to the game - but on the other, the old Fear was changed because of issues now present with Charm (ie, running inside walls) so it seems silly it was added back to a different class?

On the third hand (because I have three, it's fine!) I really hate being hit with it, so any further commentary will be entirely biased.

Yeah but what's weird for me is that this doesn't really add flavor to the warden in my opinion. How is a warden charming people lol? Maybe at least have an animation of the warden showing a cute yt animal video or something.

But seriously who thought let's give the warden this particular cc?

Good point!

Maybe a squirrel should be clinging to face of the Warden's opponent's, blinding them with its furry tail and biting the nose? I'd probably run in dumb circles too, if that happened.

Zallion

I had been fighting against this a bit until I tried it out for myself on my warden after having gotten the class script.

Holy cow is it powerful. Immobilize, 70% snare, and charm all in one. It’s unavoidable when fighting against it. Best class script by a mile, and if we include this then warden is S tier, even without using acuity. This plus northern storm and spin to win and vamp slash just deletes people and has so much multi kill potential just based off of this cc being a little overtuned.

Needs to be telegraphed better, and possibly a longer cooldown, that’s all.

RaidingTraiding

I've had this skill just break my character. I'd get charmed and I just bug out and stand still without being able to break free with a full bar of stam and unable to move in any direction. All I can do is watch my toon die which is the only thing that'll break you out of it.

It's also really annoying when you're charmed and you run in the same direction as you were already going and you don't realize you're being charmed right away since you think you're still moving.

I remember them removing a similar effect from nightblade fear because it forcefully moved you're character and was considered too strong, just for them to slap it on their new p2w scribing system. Someone might be able to find the patch notes and dev comment for their reasoning on nerfing fear.

Like others have said this and rush of agony just create chains of being yo yoed around for extended periods without any control of your character. No wonder there are fewer people in pvp these days. But don't worry they're "keeping an eye on it".

Kram8ion

Oh that’s what’s happening… yeah it needs some sort of indication and oh I’ve been using it for weeks lol

Thumbless_Bot

It's just really weird and not healthy for the game imo. It's like you're in the middle of a fight and then, ooh, look ar those pretty trees over there, I think I'll walk in that direction for three seconds to get a better view. To make matters worse theres not real visual queue, but even if there was a visual queue it's just bad. Like, why is this a thing in this game.

Edit: to add, I'm a Warden main and I can't use this aged cheddar cheese. It's just too broken and not really fair.

dark_hunterxmg

RaidingTraiding wrote: »

It's also really annoying when you're charmed and you run in the same direction as you were already going and you don't realize you're being charmed right away since you think you're still moving.

This happened to me the last time I played. I'm always on the lookout for Charmed every time there is a warden around, and it still got me. I just kept walking, in what felt like a normal way, but I wasn't attacking anymore.

This skill coupled with the unbreakable CC bug is often then end of a fight.

Tonturri

Zallion wrote: »

I had been fighting against this a bit until I tried it out for myself on my warden after having gotten the class script.

Holy cow is it powerful. Immobilize, 70% snare, and charm all in one. It’s unavoidable when fighting against it. Best class script by a mile, and if we include this then warden is S tier, even without using acuity. This plus northern storm and spin to win and vamp slash just deletes people and has so much multi kill potential just based off of this cc being a little overtuned.

Needs to be telegraphed better, and possibly a longer cooldown, that’s all.

Off the top of my head, I don't know any skill in the game that lets someone pretty consistently apply all three - snare, immob, stun. Necro has a skill that does all three but can generally only hit someone with one effect at a time. Other classes get stuff like, weapon damage increases and small bits of damage reduction, or small raw stat increases, while warden gets basically a whole heckn other skill as their class script. Wild and definitely an outlier imo.

ceruulean

Honestly, ZoS should make all CC have a specific sound effect, something almost as loud as Tarnished Nightmare. I use an addon that does this, it makes life a lot easier. I remember a game that used clear sound effects for each CC state, and they were consistent throughout classes, because it was a state inflicted on your character. Right now in the base game, you can only guess CC from the skill it's coming from, which is... not enough of an indicator.

opethmaniac

The Charming skill is so annoying. At first I thought it was due to lag or my keyboard was broken.
In general I think it is very bad game design to take away the player's control over movement (be it through sets like RoA or the skill in question).
Normal crowd control like stuns, snares or off balance are absolutely fine and part of the game and class identity, no question about it.

XSTRONG

I also thought it was lag at first when it happend in battlegrounds.

moo_2021

Coo_PnT wrote: »

I use this ability in Warden for PvP and find this CC very powerful.
I think it would be better to visualize and add sound as mentioned within this thread. Weakening it may be unavoidable.

Used it today several times but I can't even tell if it's working. Hit many, charmed nobody and snared nobody.

What's the target for contingency? the user? Definitely not all enemies hit.