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Is This What the Game Has Come To?
abkam
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We can find some topics about players leaving the game, and I often reply in those threads explaining why I believe it's happening and how the game is getting worse with each passing day. And now this. @******** set up a group finder for vLC, and I applied. Here's what happened next:
I wasn’t allowed to join, and honestly, I don’t even care about vLC in the group finder because I already have all the items.
I applied just to play the game… but I was denied simply because… I’m not an Arcanist!
I wonder how many times this will happen if we don’t have DPS sharing or addons like Hodor Reflexes. Will they start asking for logs in group finder?
ZoS overpower Arcanist to help with sales, and now we’re forced to play with it or R.I.P game. This doesn’t seem fair at all.
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on October 10, 2024 8:06PM I wasn’t allowed to join, and honestly, I don’t even care about vLC in the group finder because I already have all the items.
I applied just to play the game… but I was denied simply because… I’m not an Arcanist!
I wonder how many times this will happen if we don’t have DPS sharing or addons like Hodor Reflexes. Will they start asking for logs in group finder?
ZoS overpower Arcanist to help with sales, and now we’re forced to play with it or R.I.P game. This doesn’t seem fair at all.
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Hamish999✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't see the problem, It's their group and they can have whatever rules and/or group composition they want. Frustrating for you maybe, but 100% a non-issue.Edited by Hamish999 on October 10, 2024 6:29PMPC-EUDo'Zahra - Khajiit - StamDK - AD
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abkam✭✭✭
Issue? Of course not.I don't see the problem, It's their group and they can have whatever rules and/or group composition they want. Frustrating for you maybe, but 100% a non-issue.
In the meantime, I’m applying to something else... I logged out because Arcanists are bad
Time to go play something else. GG!Edited by abkam on October 10, 2024 6:37PMChillin' in Tamriel as a Nature's Guardian!2 -
disky✭✭✭✭✭I don't see the problem, It's their group and they can have whatever rules and/or group composition they want. Frustrating for you maybe, but 100% a non-issue.
The OP seems to be stating that if Arcanist is "needed" then there's an issue with class balance and/or the tools they have. In ESO a class is not a role, and as such, taking Arcanists shouldn't need to be required for anything in particular. I know certain classes are sometimes better at one thing or another, but seeing people fully deny other classes a spot in a group makes it seem like there might be a reason to look at Arcanist or the other classes and ask why it's happening.
You're right that it's their group and they can run it however they like, but I don't think that's really the point here.10 -
Soarora✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Did the group finder listing specify they need arcanists? Did they already have an MK sorc? Did they kick you or did you leave? We’re missing information.PC/NA Dungeoneer (Tank/DPS/Heal), Trialist (DPS/Tank/Heal), and amateur Battlegrounder (DPS) with a passion for The Elder Scrolls lore- CP 2000+
- Warden Healer - Arcanist Healer - Warden Brittleden - Stamarc - Sorc Tank - Necro Tank - Templar Tank - Arcanist Tank
- Trials: 9/12 HMs - 3/8 Tris
- Dungeons: 30/30 HMs - 24/24 Tris
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colossalvoids✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did the group finder listing specify they need arcanists? Did they already have an MK sorc? Did they kick you or did you leave? We’re missing information.
From the SS they've accepted but wanted a possibility to swap to arcanist, OP just blocked out of a sudden. Enough context for me to draw some conclusions who's the issue there.Edited by colossalvoids on October 10, 2024 6:47PM18 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭The person said "good, but we need arcanists?" You would have been permitted entry based on that comment, even though you were not the desired class.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Desiato✭✭✭✭✭
✭What ESO has come to? There has always been a meta and always been raid leads who conform to it like in most MMOs.
With that said, I've done a lot of vet trial gf pugs and the vast majority are completely relaxed about dps classes.spending a year dead for tax reasons4 -
abkam✭✭✭Did the group finder listing specify they need arcanists? Did they already have an MK sorc? Did they kick you or did you leave? We’re missing information.
Did the group finder listing specify that they need Arcanists? No.
Did they already have an MK Sorc? I don't know.
Did they kick you, or did you leave? He didn't allow me to join because I was a Sorcerer.
We’re missing information. I understand you. I miss this series—The Blacklist—and it's damn amazing!Chillin' in Tamriel as a Nature's Guardian!0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It looks like you self selected yourself out of that group. The person whispering preferred to roll with an Arcanist but would have accepted your Sorc. You blocked them so they couldn't follow up12 -
abkam✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It looks like you self selected yourself out of that group. The person whispering preferred to roll with an Arcanist but would have accepted your Sorc. You blocked them so they couldn't follow up
Yes, you’re correct. It’s all okay, and it was definitely my fault.Chillin' in Tamriel as a Nature's Guardian!3 -
Blood_again✭✭✭✭✭It is not about the game, but players.
I met the same attitude about 3 times among >40 recent vLC runs through GF.
It is not new.
I remember PUGs that required only Oakensorcs for vAS.
I also remember the 90k+ PUG requirement for vRG (the leader was a tank who instantly died on Oaxiltso, lol).
It is just silly that some leaders confuse PUG with progress group. But it is not a problem.
What irritates me is the fact that these people usually don't write their requirements in the group description.
As a result of their behaviour: I waist my time, they waist their time. It was supposed to save some time with this filtering, wasn't it?1 -
abkam✭✭✭colossalvoids wrote: »Did the group finder listing specify they need arcanists? Did they already have an MK sorc? Did they kick you or did you leave? We’re missing information.
From the SS they've accepted but wanted a possibility to swap to arcanist, OP just blocked out of a sudden. Enough context for me to draw some conclusions who's the issue there.- I applied... I waited... and waited... and waited... and then time expired!
- Then I sent the leader my HM achievements and asked him, "Is this not good for you? (after time expired and after I sent him the HM achievements)".
- He replied, after time expired and after I sent him the achievements: "We need Arcanists."
Once again, I agree with all of you. This was 100% my fault because I logged in.Chillin' in Tamriel as a Nature's Guardian!2 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭colossalvoids wrote: »Did the group finder listing specify they need arcanists? Did they already have an MK sorc? Did they kick you or did you leave? We’re missing information.
From the SS they've accepted but wanted a possibility to swap to arcanist, OP just blocked out of a sudden. Enough context for me to draw some conclusions who's the issue there.- I applied... I waited... and waited... and waited... and then time expired!
- Then I sent the leader my HM achievements and asked him, "Is this not good for you? (after time expired and after I sent him the HM achievements)".
- He replied, after time expired and after I sent him the achievements: "We need Arcanists."
Once again, I agree with all of you. This was 100% my fault because I logged in.
This is important context that the screenshot didn't show. I understand your issue now.
I can say I have never been refused a pug for DPS class. It this a widespread issue in activity finders? I have mostly seen picky groups compositions in guilds. Sorc does need a PvE buff imo.Edited by spartaxoxo on October 10, 2024 7:08PM0 -
Renato90085✭✭✭I don't know you mean is player bad or class balance
They alway want you play bis,because easy/safe/best
and GF alway have low dps/no buff tank/fake healer,so it why they only want arc
and why arc
All log have 50-80%arc and 20% other 6 class ,all role tier S+
and sorc is a st class so bad for aoe ,he know you are good but vlc all combat need aoe
This has been going on for over a year, and even longer before that, it was oaken sorc so maybe 2-3 year?
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TheMajority✭✭✭✭✭your attitude was hostile going "Not good for you?" I would have told you I wanted an arcanist instead too. you selected yourself out of that group by behaving in such a way when the lead was polite for you. nobody online owes you their time or entrance into a group and everything you are posting right now very clearly shows why others are saying no to you when grouping.
you are not respecting the boundaries of others who said no to you. accept no and move on.Time flies like an arrow- but fruit flies like a banana.
Sorry for my English, I do not always have a translation tool available. Thank you for your patience with our conversation and working towards our mutual understanding of the topic.8 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I feel your pain. I have definitely been kicked out or not selected to groups based on some dumb reasons like: my dps while fine for the game is not good enough for them, not tanking good enough so they can finish the dungeon faster (which was all randoms so why try to accomplish this with randoms?) just because of the class I am on etc.
When that happens it sucks and it’s wrong but I feel like this time you just reacted too negatively too quickly. That player might have invited you, you don’t know. Maybe you have been rejected too much in the past and just did that, idk. I get it though but I think you probably would have been invited based on that screenshot.Edited by OtarTheMad on October 10, 2024 7:59PM2 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I just saw your other post giving more context but it just does not seem to match up with the screen shots so I’m just confused. LoL.
I need more sleep.2 -
ZOS_HadeostrymodGreetings,
As a reminder, quitting/goodbye threads are against the Community Rules. While we encourage the community to have open discussions, they need to remain respectful and constructive. While the purpose of this thread could have been about groups accepting members, it was more of a denigration of others.
We will be closing this thread. Thank you for your understanding, and please keep the Community Rules in mind when posting on the forums.Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on October 10, 2024 8:32PM6
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