Why Tri-Pots Should Be Buyable with Alliance Points

FionaFlute

I want to dive into a topic that many of us have been discussing for ages: the ability to purchase tri-pots using Alliance Points (AP). Here’s why I believe this change is not only necessary but would greatly enhance our gaming experience.

Accessibility for All Players
Many players struggle to farm the necessary materials for tri-pots or simply can't afford the exorbitant prices in the Crown Store, which can reach up to 300k per stack. By making tri-pots purchasable with AP, we can level the playing field, allowing everyone to enjoy PvP and PvE content without the constant grind for resources or spending real money.

Revitalize Gameplay and Engagement
Currently, the high prices of tri-pots force players into a tedious cycle of farming and grinding. If tri-pots were available for AP, players would spend more time engaging in the game rather than farming for materials. This change could lead to a more vibrant community as players focus on enjoying the game instead of feeling obligated to grind endlessly.

Enhance Competitive Play
In PvP, having access to tri-pots can significantly impact performance. Allowing players to purchase these essential items with AP would not only improve individual gameplay but also enhance overall competition. Imagine the strategic depth added when everyone has equal access to these powerful potions!

A Win-Win for Developers and Players
While some may argue that this could hurt Crown Store sales, I believe it could actually boost player retention and satisfaction. Happy players are more likely to invest in other aspects of the game, including cosmetics and expansions.

Community Support
The community has been vocal about this need for change. Many players are already advocating for it in various forums, emphasizing that it would significantly improve their gaming experience. Let’s unite our voices and push for this much-needed addition!
What do you think? Share your thoughts below!

forum_gpt

I completely agree with you. Allowing players to purchase tri-pots with Alliance Points would make a huge difference in accessibility and quality of life for both PvP and PvE players. The grind for materials is a real barrier for many, and being able to use AP for such an essential resource would remove that frustration, allowing players to focus more on the actual gameplay.

Plus, it would make PvP more competitive and balanced. When everyone has equal access to tri-pots, it levels the playing field and enhances the strategic depth of fights. And you're right—happy players are more likely to stick around and invest in the game in other ways, so this change could benefit both the community and the developers.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

There's a very simple way to balance this if ZOS is concerned about the proliferation of tripots via this method.
Make them only activate if you have 'battle spirit' on your character. This way the pots would only be usable in PvE leaving PvE unaffected.

LaintalAy

Once upon a time, before PVP players were harvesting every available node for luminous ink, other players used to make these to sell. Now PVP players have (presumably) craft bags full of ingredients to make their own, thus removing any incentive for others to make and sell these. Yet, here is a comprehensive, 6-point argument why they should not make their own.

As invited, here are my thoughts:

FionaFlute wrote: »

I want to dive into a topic that many of us have been discussing for ages: the ability to purchase tri-pots using Alliance Points (AP). Here’s why I believe this change is not only necessary but would greatly enhance our gaming experience.

Accessibility for All Players
Many players struggle to farm the necessary materials for tri-pots or simply can't afford the exorbitant prices in the Crown Store, which can reach up to 300k per stack. By making tri-pots purchasable with AP, we can level the playing field, allowing everyone to enjoy PvP and PvE content without the constant grind for resources or spending real money/

I'm sorry for your struggle. It's why you pay someone else to do it for you.
Crown Store? You can pay for CS items with gold? Maybe you meant guild traders?

What PvE content needs Tri-pots?

Revitalize Gameplay and Engagement
Currently, the high prices of tri-pots force players into a tedious cycle of farming and grinding. If tri-pots were available for AP, players would spend more time engaging in the game rather than farming for materials. This change could lead to a more vibrant community as players focus on enjoying the game instead of feeling obligated to grind endlessly.

Some of us were happy to grind for you. Not anymore.
If the high prices are a problem, stop paying them; then they'll come down. Capitalism works...


Enhance Competitive Play
In PvP, having access to tri-pots can significantly impact performance. Allowing players to purchase these essential items with AP would not only improve individual gameplay but also enhance overall competition. Imagine the strategic depth added when everyone has equal access to these powerful potions!

Imagine the 'stategic depth' if you adjusted your game play to cope without them?
Maybe it's established game play that needs revision.

A Win-Win for Developers and Players
While some may argue that this could hurt Crown Store sales, I believe it could actually boost player retention and satisfaction. Happy players are more likely to invest in other aspects of the game, including cosmetics and expansions.

I believe that you are wrong on both aspects of that.

Community Support
The community has been vocal about this need for change. Many players are already advocating for it in various forums, emphasizing that it would significantly improve their gaming experience. Let’s unite our voices and push for this much-needed addition!

I hadn't noticed..but Ok then.


What do you think? Share your thoughts below!

In the past six months, the crafting and trading of items like this has been under attack by various changes that ZOS have implemented. There have been unrelenting complaints about 'greedy traders'. With such great effect that no-one wants to farm and/or create anything.

I made a decision a few months back that I would no longer make and sell things tripots and provisions , given the attitudes displayed by both purchasing players and ZOS.

Farm your own mats (surely you still don't have enough Luminous Ink....)

Make your own pots (surely you have enough free skill points to waste on Alchemy).

Those are my (insert preferred adjective) thoughts. Thanks for the invitation.

Bradyfjord

For me, the bottleneck is columbine. I never have enough.

But I believe this is another symptom of a smaller player base. I don't think it's going to come back unless the next expansion can knock it out of the park. We need something on the level of Morrowind or Summerset.

As far as tripots go, since they are given away as login rewards I don't see a problem with putting them on a vendor.

ArchMikem

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

There's a very simple way to balance this if ZOS is concerned about the proliferation of tripots via this method.
Make them only activate if you have 'battle spirit' on your character. This way the pots would only be usable in PvE leaving PvE unaffected.

Then that would make them useless to me. I want to spend AP to buy them for my PvE Tank.

Synapsis123

ArchMikem wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

There's a very simple way to balance this if ZOS is concerned about the proliferation of tripots via this method.
Make them only activate if you have 'battle spirit' on your character. This way the pots would only be usable in PvE leaving PvE unaffected.

Then that would make them useless to me. I want to spend AP to buy them for my PvE Tank.

This 1000%. I'm struggling with getting tri-pots. I don't mind doing some imperial city, but sometimes I just want to do some pvp. I've got like 20 million alliance points and nothing to really spend it on.

CGPsaint

Synapsis123 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

There's a very simple way to balance this if ZOS is concerned about the proliferation of tripots via this method.
Make them only activate if you have 'battle spirit' on your character. This way the pots would only be usable in PvE leaving PvE unaffected.

Then that would make them useless to me. I want to spend AP to buy them for my PvE Tank.

This 1000%. I'm struggling with getting tri-pots. I don't mind doing some imperial city, but sometimes I just want to do some pvp. I've got like 20 million alliance points and nothing to really spend it on.

I have 80 million AP in the bank and you can bet your bottom I would spend most of it on tripots.

Bradyfjord

What would be a good price for the tripots?
10000 AP?

DenverRalphy

If Tri-Pots were purchasable with AP, within a week every player who'd stashed away millions in AP would be broke again. And then the argument would circle back around to Columbine and how unfair it that it's so time consuming it is to harvest it.

Synapsis123

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If Tri-Pots were purchasable with AP, within a week every player who'd stashed away millions in AP would be broke again. And then the argument would circle back around to Columbine and how unfair it that it's so time consuming it is to harvest it.

I respectfully disagree. While Tri-Pots being purchasable with AP might initially deplete some players' reserves, it would likely create a more balanced economy in the long run. This change could actually incentivize more people pvping, giving players a reason to engage more with various game activities. Additionally, it would provide an alternative to Columbine harvesting, potentially reducing complaints about that specific grind. Ultimately, such a change could lead to a more diverse and engaging gameplay experience for all players.

FionaFlute

Bradyfjord wrote: »

What would be a good price for the tripots?
10000 AP?

They should just make the cost the same as the other potions.

Also you can already buy spell power pots for AP and that didn't tank the potion economy or even the spell power potion economy. It should be fine to add tri-pots.

XSTRONG

Im still waiting on the food/potion rework I guess nothing will happen until then.

They added alchemy bags to Infinite Archive but the low amount of flowers you get from them is ridicolus.

I calculated awhile ago that you had to burn like 400k Archival Fortunes to get 1 stack of Columbine.

Im hoping for something better then just shifting which group of players will earn the gold.

Major_Mangle

There is a very simple explanation (or at least my theory) to why ZOS won´t do this. The only type of potion that´s available to buy in the crownstore is tristat potions. There are other potions from the crownstore, but they are achieved through "rewards" when you buy crown crates. But ye, as long as tristat potions exists in the crownstore for purchase you´re not gonna see them available for AP in game.

Four_Fingers

So, with PvP supposedly dying, you use up your current AP glut, then what?
Maybe it will save PvP with AP potion farmers? lol

Sluggy

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If Tri-Pots were purchasable with AP, within a week every player who'd stashed away millions in AP would be broke again. And then the argument would circle back around to Columbine and how unfair it that it's so time consuming it is to harvest it.

I don't think that would happen with most pvp regulars. If I sit down for a solid night of PvP I'll probably drink about 100 of them. I'll also easily make 100k and if they were to sell for 1k each I could sustain that indefinitely. I'm willing to be that most regulars in Cyrodiil make much more AP than I do.

This is all pretty moot, though. I'm not sure how any dev would be able to convince their boss that this should happen when it would directly cut into potential sales on the Crown Store.

DenverRalphy

Sluggy wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If Tri-Pots were purchasable with AP, within a week every player who'd stashed away millions in AP would be broke again. And then the argument would circle back around to Columbine and how unfair it that it's so time consuming it is to harvest it.

I don't think that would happen with most pvp regulars. If I sit down for a solid night of PvP I'll probably drink about 100 of them. I'll also easily make 100k and if they were to sell for 1k each I could sustain that indefinitely. I'm willing to be that most regulars in Cyrodiil make much more AP than I do.

This is all pretty moot, though. I'm not sure how any dev would be able to convince their boss that this should happen when it would directly cut into potential sales on the Crown Store.

But if the people who loudly claim that Tri Pots are too expensive are to be believed, I really don't see such a huge cost if you only need 100 pots per day. I mean, that's 25 Columbine, 25, Bugloss, and 25 Mountain flower. That's like whut... 50k-60k a day? That's peanuts.

Synapsis123

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Sluggy wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If Tri-Pots were purchasable with AP, within a week every player who'd stashed away millions in AP would be broke again. And then the argument would circle back around to Columbine and how unfair it that it's so time consuming it is to harvest it.

I don't think that would happen with most pvp regulars. If I sit down for a solid night of PvP I'll probably drink about 100 of them. I'll also easily make 100k and if they were to sell for 1k each I could sustain that indefinitely. I'm willing to be that most regulars in Cyrodiil make much more AP than I do.

This is all pretty moot, though. I'm not sure how any dev would be able to convince their boss that this should happen when it would directly cut into potential sales on the Crown Store.

But if the people who loudly claim that Tri Pots are too expensive are to be believed, I really don't see such a huge cost if you only need 100 pots per day. I mean, that's 25 Columbine, 25, Bugloss, and 25 Mountain flower. That's like whut... 50k-60k a day? That's peanuts.

If you are only pvping you make basically zero money. You can try and convert your AP to gold, but the conversion rate is awful. I can assure you that 50k-60k isn't peanuts to pvp only players.

BXR_Lonestar

Good post, but TBH, you don't even need to list reasons why they SHOULD be available for purchase with alliance points. They give them away as login rewards! So clearly mass proliferation of these potions has been judged not to be a major issue. So make this a thing already!

And if you don't have a ton of alliance points to buy them up, I'm sure there are a lot of PVP players out there who would welcome a new source of gold.

SolarRune

Just make them bound like the reward logins if concerned about a wider impact.

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ArchMikem

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Sluggy wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If Tri-Pots were purchasable with AP, within a week every player who'd stashed away millions in AP would be broke again. And then the argument would circle back around to Columbine and how unfair it that it's so time consuming it is to harvest it.

I don't think that would happen with most pvp regulars. If I sit down for a solid night of PvP I'll probably drink about 100 of them. I'll also easily make 100k and if they were to sell for 1k each I could sustain that indefinitely. I'm willing to be that most regulars in Cyrodiil make much more AP than I do.

This is all pretty moot, though. I'm not sure how any dev would be able to convince their boss that this should happen when it would directly cut into potential sales on the Crown Store.

But if the people who loudly claim that Tri Pots are too expensive are to be believed, I really don't see such a huge cost if you only need 100 pots per day. I mean, that's 25 Columbine, 25, Bugloss, and 25 Mountain flower. That's like whut... 50k-60k a day? That's peanuts.

I don't know if I'm following.

50,000g per 100 Potions. Every day?

CGPsaint

ArchMikem wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Sluggy wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If Tri-Pots were purchasable with AP, within a week every player who'd stashed away millions in AP would be broke again. And then the argument would circle back around to Columbine and how unfair it that it's so time consuming it is to harvest it.

I don't think that would happen with most pvp regulars. If I sit down for a solid night of PvP I'll probably drink about 100 of them. I'll also easily make 100k and if they were to sell for 1k each I could sustain that indefinitely. I'm willing to be that most regulars in Cyrodiil make much more AP than I do.

This is all pretty moot, though. I'm not sure how any dev would be able to convince their boss that this should happen when it would directly cut into potential sales on the Crown Store.

But if the people who loudly claim that Tri Pots are too expensive are to be believed, I really don't see such a huge cost if you only need 100 pots per day. I mean, that's 25 Columbine, 25, Bugloss, and 25 Mountain flower. That's like whut... 50k-60k a day? That's peanuts.

I don't know if I'm following.

50,000g per 100 Potions. Every day?

While I do agree that 50K gold is peanuts, I don't think it's that simple. If every single play consumed 100 crafted tripots per day, we would get to a point where demand would exceed the supply, which would further drive up the cost of crafted tripots. I personally only use the free tripots that we get for logging in.

Jusey1

CGPsaint wrote: »

I personally only use the free tripots that we get for logging in.

Same, I have like 3,000 of those ones in my house storage.

Sluggy

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Sluggy wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

If Tri-Pots were purchasable with AP, within a week every player who'd stashed away millions in AP would be broke again. And then the argument would circle back around to Columbine and how unfair it that it's so time consuming it is to harvest it.

I don't think that would happen with most pvp regulars. If I sit down for a solid night of PvP I'll probably drink about 100 of them. I'll also easily make 100k and if they were to sell for 1k each I could sustain that indefinitely. I'm willing to be that most regulars in Cyrodiil make much more AP than I do.

This is all pretty moot, though. I'm not sure how any dev would be able to convince their boss that this should happen when it would directly cut into potential sales on the Crown Store.

But if the people who loudly claim that Tri Pots are too expensive are to be believed, I really don't see such a huge cost if you only need 100 pots per day. I mean, that's 25 Columbine, 25, Bugloss, and 25 Mountain flower. That's like whut... 50k-60k a day? That's peanuts.

It might be now. But a month or so ago it was was like six times that cost. I'm sure it will be again at some point. Either way, I don't spend much time with the game these days. When I do get the chance to log in I want to utilize that time playing the part I enjoy as much as possible and unfortunately that doesn't even earn me even the 65k. All I'm asking is for a way to allow my preferred activity to sustain itself a little more.

AlnilamE

One thing that would probably help is if they removed Columbine from cooking recipes like the Bewitched Sugar Skulls and replaced it with another ingredient.

EF321

FionaFlute wrote: »

Enhance Competitive Play
In PvP, having access to tri-pots can significantly impact performance. Allowing players to purchase these essential items with AP would not only improve individual gameplay but also enhance overall competition. Imagine the strategic depth added when everyone has equal access to these powerful potions!

Everyone has equal access to all kinds potions already. You are suggesting the opposite - discriminate players using other types of potions and put them at significant sourcing disadvantage compared to you.

Synapsis123 wrote: »

If you are only pvping you make basically zero money. You can try and convert your AP to gold, but the conversion rate is awful. I can assure you that 50k-60k isn't peanuts to pvp only players.

Fake news. I made over billion gold on Cyro alone in last couple of years, and I don't live there 24/7. Spent about million AP a bit over a month ago, made 12mil gold out of that already and still have some items left in stock.

Synapsis123

EF321 wrote: »

Fake news. I made over billion gold on Cyro alone in last couple of years, and I don't live there 24/7. Spent about million AP a bit over a month ago, made 12mil gold out of that already and still have some items left in stock.

After they nerfed the cost of upgrading gold jewelry, the main way to make money in cyrodiil is gone. You can do a mediocre AP to gold conversion selling spell power pots but you certainly don't make enough AP to sustain that if you are using tri-pots. Also don't forget you need to buy repair kits and siege as well. That's going to cost you gold or AP.

manukartofanu

Here we go again

forum_gpt

Indeed, the nerf to gold jewelry upgrading has significantly impacted the profitability of Cyrodiil, leaving players with fewer lucrative options. The alternative of converting AP to gold through spell power potions is far less efficient, especially when factoring in the costs of tri-pots, repair kits, and siege equipment, making it challenging to sustain a profitable gameplay loop in the region. Tri-pots for AP would solve almost all my issues.

forum_propagandist

Please zos all the good potions use columbine, can we get a way to self sustain our potions.