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ZOS Why not make the base version of the game free?
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TDVM✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
That's why only you and OP are in favor of TESO being free and all the rest are not.
Also, you clearly haven't read @thorwyn post and clearly you haven't read @TaSheen and @Reverb posts neither.
Please read my replies more carefully before saying things that don't exist. Also do not need to speak for everyone, the people in this post are not all players who are in the game, so 99% sure that there will be those who are in favor of making a free basic version of the game
As far as I'm aware, everyone so far posting does play the game. Unless you are speaking only for yourself.
[@Dragonnord - this person IS the OP.... just for info.]
Ty TaSheen, more on my favor then (only one person in favor then).
And OP, when I say "all" of course I mean the persons posting here, but I suppose you know how polls and surveys work...
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✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
That's why only you and OP are in favor of TESO being free and all the rest are not.
Also, you clearly haven't read @thorwyn post and clearly you haven't read @TaSheen and @Reverb posts neither.
Please read my replies more carefully before saying things that don't exist. Also do not need to speak for everyone, the people in this post are not all players who are in the game, so 99% sure that there will be those who are in favor of making a free basic version of the game
As far as I'm aware, everyone so far posting does play the game. Unless you are speaking only for yourself.
[@Dragonnord - this person IS the OP.... just for info.]
Ty TaSheen, more on my favor then (only one person in favor then).
And OP, when I say "all" of course I mean the persons posting here, but I suppose you know how polls and surveys work...
Unconditionally you may be against it, but that doesn't mean you're right.
Uh? Who said I'm right or wrong? I just gave my opinion, just like the rest here. Only ZOS decides, and fortunately, after 10 years, the game is still not free.
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JustLovely✭✭✭✭✭CatoUnchained wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
ESO is the most expensive game I've ever purchased. No other game even comes close, especially when you factor in the diminished content and inexcusable performance issues.
the base game costs €/$20, about 8 on sale.
this post is about the base game so then i am confused how this is the most expensive game you have ever purchased
Plus you have to buy "any race any alliance", plus you have to buy greymore for mythics, summerset for jewelry and now gold road for scribing. And if you don't want inventory bottleneck, add to that $15/month for eso+. If you want to swap factions, that's a $25 token from crown store. Then there are the dlc's. Those cost extra too. Thieves guild and Dark Brotherhood cost extra. But wait, there's more.....but you should get the point by now.
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✭ESO_player123 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »What's wrong is exactly what happened after the "free Epic Games promotion" - floods of RMT gold sellers pounding their schlock in the zone chat.
Game's plenty cheap enough on the frequent sales.
An easy work around to this would be a progress-gated chat permission.
Wouldn’t even need to be anything crazy, like complete 10 quests.
10 quests is leveling a bit and doing some crafting dailies. Also, imaging legit new players not being able to chat in game right away and ask for help. Not a good solution IMO.
10 quests is about 2-3 hours of gameplay, actually playing the game. Keep in mind, quest-givers hand out directory quests too, where they send you to talk to an NPC next to where your actual quest is.
Not to mention, as a new player, you would have Discord to chat with friends, help menus in game, and an unlimited source of information online.
There’s no reason why newly made accounts from game sharing are allowed spam gold seller websites in zone chat freshly after their last accounts were banned.Edited by Theist_VII on September 22, 2024 3:45PM0 -
MorninStar✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
Comparing a paid game to a f2p game is like apples and oranges. You speak about the f2p games but, you don't say anything about the b2p games such as New World or Black dessert online, I own both by the way. Eso has a lot more to do in it then just running around and killing. They bring out something new every year, can't really say that about f2p or some of the other b2p games out there atm. Leave ESO alone. Their setup works fine for this community and others who want to join it.3 -
TDVM✭✭✭✭MorninStar wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
Comparing a paid game to a f2p game is like apples and oranges. You speak about the f2p games but, you don't say anything about the b2p games such as New World or Black dessert online, I own both by the way. Eso has a lot more to do in it then just running around and killing. They bring out something new every year, can't really say that about f2p or some of the other b2p games out there atm. Leave ESO alone. Their setup works fine for this community and others who want to join it.
Because we're talking about free MMOs or where at least the basic version of the game is free, no need to change the topic of the post. But since you are talking about paid ones, new wold it dead game, here even ask money for an unfinished product and a product that is poorly supported, Black dessert online is a Korean simulator of farming for the sake of farming. Bringing these games is probably stupid, especially new world where DLC costs as much as the game itself, but that's another topic. So you're probably comparing apples to oranges here, changing the topic of conversation a bit.0 -
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✭✭✭MorninStar wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
Comparing a paid game to a f2p game is like apples and oranges. You speak about the f2p games but, you don't say anything about the b2p games such as New World or Black dessert online, I own both by the way. Eso has a lot more to do in it then just running around and killing. They bring out something new every year, can't really say that about f2p or some of the other b2p games out there atm. Leave ESO alone. Their setup works fine for this community and others who want to join it.
Because we're talking about free MMOs or where at least the basic version of the game is free, no need to change the topic of the post. But since you are talking about paid ones, new wold it dead game, here even ask money for an unfinished product and a product that is poorly supported, Black dessert online is a Korean simulator of farming for the sake of farming. Bringing these games is probably stupid, especially new world where DLC costs as much as the game itself, but that's another topic. So you're probably comparing apples to oranges here, changing the topic of conversation a bit.
You are wrong because it is you the one comparing TESO to free MMOS when TESO is not a free MMO.
You have to compare TESO (a paid MMO) to paid MMOS.
So it's you that are comparing apples to oranges.
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TDVM✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »MorninStar wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
Comparing a paid game to a f2p game is like apples and oranges. You speak about the f2p games but, you don't say anything about the b2p games such as New World or Black dessert online, I own both by the way. Eso has a lot more to do in it then just running around and killing. They bring out something new every year, can't really say that about f2p or some of the other b2p games out there atm. Leave ESO alone. Their setup works fine for this community and others who want to join it.
Because we're talking about free MMOs or where at least the basic version of the game is free, no need to change the topic of the post. But since you are talking about paid ones, new wold it dead game, here even ask money for an unfinished product and a product that is poorly supported, Black dessert online is a Korean simulator of farming for the sake of farming. Bringing these games is probably stupid, especially new world where DLC costs as much as the game itself, but that's another topic. So you're probably comparing apples to oranges here, changing the topic of conversation a bit.
You are wrong because it is you the one comparing TESO to free MMOS when TESO is not a free MMO.
You have to compare TESO (a paid MMO) to paid MMOS.
So it's you that are comparing apples to oranges.
This is an example of famous MMOs and their distribution as an example (free-to-play or free basic edition), it's already you who changed the meaning of the post turning it into a comparison. So don't change the meaning of my words and compare apples to oranges by saying someone else is comparing them.Edited by TDVM on September 22, 2024 5:11PM1 -
Stafford197✭✭✭✭✭Free To Play is great when it applies to games where practically zero incentive structure exists around botting (like Overwatch). It’s also important to realize how some genres are so oversaturated with good games that it’s necessary to corner a section of the market by luring people to play your free game now. MMOs are not games where this would work because they have in-game economies. Botting is incredibly profitable for farming materials, selling leveled accounts, etc which is why we have such a huge botting problem.
People will be lured to the best MMO, which means a mandatory $15/month subscription is the best option since it both allows MMOs to avoid much of the botting problems while simultaneously focusing on the game instead of the cash shop. Problem is….. ESO tried a $15 mandatory subscription in 2014 and failed drastically for it. This game is not good enough for this model.
With all of that said….. Botting is already bad in this game and it’s losing a lot of players this year. Would not be surprised to see this happen in the future.2 -
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✭✭Making the game free may result in a massivly increased playerbase, but it will also completely remove the barrier-of-entry to bots, making botting extremely prevalent.Best Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
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✭✭✭This is an example of famous MMOs and their distribution as an example (free-to-play or free basic edition), it's already you who changed the meaning of the post turning it into a comparison. So don't change the meaning of my words and compare apples to oranges by saying someone else is comparing them.
So just because you say we can only compare TESO to free MMOS we have to do that and we can't compare TESO to paid MMOs that it's what in fact TESO is?
Every single person here is telling you why it wouldn't work and you keep bashing. I know, I know, just because they say that it doesn't mean they are right. I know, I know...
TESO is a PAID MMO and I'm glad it remains that way.
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✭✭✭✭✭MorninStar wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
Comparing a paid game to a f2p game is like apples and oranges. You speak about the f2p games but, you don't say anything about the b2p games such as New World or Black dessert online, I own both by the way. Eso has a lot more to do in it then just running around and killing. They bring out something new every year, can't really say that about f2p or some of the other b2p games out there atm. Leave ESO alone. Their setup works fine for this community and others who want to join it.
Because we're talking about free MMOs or where at least the basic version of the game is free, no need to change the topic of the post. But since you are talking about paid ones, new wold it dead game, here even ask money for an unfinished product and a product that is poorly supported, Black dessert online is a Korean simulator of farming for the sake of farming. Bringing these games is probably stupid, especially new world where DLC costs as much as the game itself, but that's another topic. So you're probably comparing apples to oranges here, changing the topic of conversation a bit.
Why? There's quite a bit of player overlap between BDO and TESO, also GW2, which is free with many restricitons, even in the base game.
Personally, I'd prefer the bots to have to pay at least $5.00 every time they need a new account. If that is too much of a barrier to entry for people, then maybe ESO is not for them?The Moot Councillor2 -
TDVM✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »MorninStar wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
Comparing a paid game to a f2p game is like apples and oranges. You speak about the f2p games but, you don't say anything about the b2p games such as New World or Black dessert online, I own both by the way. Eso has a lot more to do in it then just running around and killing. They bring out something new every year, can't really say that about f2p or some of the other b2p games out there atm. Leave ESO alone. Their setup works fine for this community and others who want to join it.
Because we're talking about free MMOs or where at least the basic version of the game is free, no need to change the topic of the post. But since you are talking about paid ones, new wold it dead game, here even ask money for an unfinished product and a product that is poorly supported, Black dessert online is a Korean simulator of farming for the sake of farming. Bringing these games is probably stupid, especially new world where DLC costs as much as the game itself, but that's another topic. So you're probably comparing apples to oranges here, changing the topic of conversation a bit.
You are wrong because it is you the one comparing TESO to free MMOS when TESO is not a free MMO.
You have to compare TESO (a paid MMO) to paid MMOS.
So it's you that are comparing apples to oranges.
So just because you say we can only compare TESO to free MMOS we have to do that and we can't compare TESO to paid MMOs that it's what in fact TESO is?
Every single person here is telling you why it wouldn't work and you keep bashing. I know, I know, just because they say that it doesn't mean they are right. I know, I know...
TESO is a PAID MMO and I'm glad it remains that way.
You are the one making the comparison, from my side it was an example (for information comparison and example are not the same thing). I also answered those who gave some arguments (read carefully before writing) why it may not work. Of course that eso is a paid MMO but all I see in the discussion with you is only a negative view and passive negative manner of speech (or you have such a manner of speech and you do not suspect it). In any case, my opinion is that ESO should be available to everyone even if it will be any restrictions as in other MMOs (this is an example, not a comparison).0 -
TDVM✭✭✭✭MorninStar wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
What does it have to do with 99% of games if the post is only about MMOs? Neverwinter, Destiny 2, LOTRO, SWTOR and similar MMOs. And it's not that the game is cheap, but that it costs anything at all, if they sell it for the price of coffee at the airport, it's not easier to make, it just looks ridiculous. It would make a lot more sense to make the basic version free, and attract more players
Comparing a paid game to a f2p game is like apples and oranges. You speak about the f2p games but, you don't say anything about the b2p games such as New World or Black dessert online, I own both by the way. Eso has a lot more to do in it then just running around and killing. They bring out something new every year, can't really say that about f2p or some of the other b2p games out there atm. Leave ESO alone. Their setup works fine for this community and others who want to join it.
Because we're talking about free MMOs or where at least the basic version of the game is free, no need to change the topic of the post. But since you are talking about paid ones, new wold it dead game, here even ask money for an unfinished product and a product that is poorly supported, Black dessert online is a Korean simulator of farming for the sake of farming. Bringing these games is probably stupid, especially new world where DLC costs as much as the game itself, but that's another topic. So you're probably comparing apples to oranges here, changing the topic of conversation a bit.
Why? There's quite a bit of player overlap between BDO and TESO, also GW2, which is free with many restricitons, even in the base game.
Personally, I'd prefer the bots to have to pay at least $5.00 every time they need a new account. If that is too much of a barrier to entry for people, then maybe ESO is not for them?
Considering that in ZOS they are introducing AI for chat moderation, then most likely there will be something to fight bots, bots are not so hard to calculate (I think so) and there are no bots now in 99.9% of cases, of course, if the basic version of the game will be free, there will be waves of bots, but the fight against them has long been invented. And here we are not talking about 5 dollars, but about what would make this game available to everyone, there is no need to put this situation that “5 dollars is not enough and those who can't afford it are poor”( at least it looks like that). The point of the post is quite different, of course the connection between this and that is close, but still the point of the post is different.0 -
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✭✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »CatoUnchained wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »99% of the games are paid, so why should TESO be free?
Also, TESO is a lot cheaper than most games out there and has been on sale several times.
ESO is the most expensive game I've ever purchased. No other game even comes close, especially when you factor in the diminished content and inexcusable performance issues.
the base game costs €/$20, about 8 on sale.
this post is about the base game so then i am confused how this is the most expensive game you have ever purchased
Plus you have to buy "any race any alliance", plus you have to buy greymore for mythics, summerset for jewelry and now gold road for scribing. And if you don't want inventory bottleneck, add to that $15/month for eso+. If you want to swap factions, that's a $25 token from crown store. Then there are the dlc's. Those cost extra too. Thieves guild and Dark Brotherhood cost extra. But wait, there's more.....but you should get the point by now.
the post is, like i already said, about the base game.
and you do not have to buy any of those things to play the base game.miaow! i'm Luna ( she/her ).
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MorninStar✭✭FelisCatus wrote: »This is a very BAD idea. You will open the game up to even more bots.
Last free play we had there were tons of gold sellers in chat. Have you ever played a game where 90% chat is nothing but gold sellers? I have and end up turning off chat, which you can't really do here. Then you have the guilds filled with botters that screw up the economy you would have to deal with. ESO works just fine in keeping these things out so players can actually communicate and enjoy the game.1 -
TheMajority✭✭✭✭✭to retain quality of user base, we must keep ESO behind a monetary wall, to protect it
otherwise, for free, children and teens without the consent of parents could access it, and the quality of the player base goes down hill to immaturity levels.
then the dev has to face the problem of keeping kids out, or censor the game to make it child friendly
I dont want a child friendly ESO, so I don't want free to play. young people should not obtain an easy access to this game, nor should adults not willing to commit to play it.
we do not need players who do not commit to play to clog the servers with this free to play data.Time flies like an arrow- but fruit flies like a banana.
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My point was that everyone in this post is not all the players that make the online game, but only a small % of the 1%. And @Dragonnord talks as if this post is about ALL of the online game and speaks for everyone. And about the OP, what are you talking about? What does OP mean in your mind?
OP is either the Original Poster, or the Original Post. What else?
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✭Juju_beans wrote: »Free = a bazillion level 1 gold sellers....
No thank you.
No it doesn’t. The game has already been free before on PC. And Playstation and Xbox require a subscription service to be online. The cheapest PlayStation sub is $80.
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✭✭✭✭✭Twohothardware wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »Free = a bazillion level 1 gold sellers....
No thank you.
No it doesn’t. The game has already been free before on PC. And Playstation and Xbox require a subscription service to be online. The cheapest PlayStation sub is $80.
Disingenuous.
The game was free on PC through Epic Games, with an INSTANT inundation of RMT gold sellers in zone chat everywhere. That would absolutely happen again if the base game was free.... Maybe those on console wouldn't have to deal with it, but those of us on PC would AGAIN and probably forevermore.Edited by TaSheen on September 23, 2024 6:07PM______________________________________________________
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VouxeTheMinotaur✭✭✭There's really no point in defending a free to play base game idea when there were multiple instances where bots, gold sellers, website lures / scams for free crates or free gold, and actual humans who scam in game trades to steal gold, then sell for actual $$ via Cash App, PayPal, etc.
I'm really sure a lot of us would love to have a bigger player base, and damn sure ZOS would too, but it's more of a matter of player safety and security. To want to put that in the ground, even for the base game, is not ideal when it come to our safety and security.
It wouldn't be a great first impression either to players who got the game to free only to see these bots and such running around of trying to interact with them because let's face it, human controlled ones will target new players. And what's that? They need to buy a subscription to get away from the bot infested zones?
Personally, that's just not fair to either side, players who already paid and players who would've gotten the game for free.
Not for nothing too, the game disc is less than $10 in gamestop, i bought mine for $3.99 thinking it was a skyrim DLC (idk, dont ask). If someone can't afford to buy this game for how much it is now, i don't think they should come near the game considering the price of a lot of things in the game alreadyPS5/NA: Vouxe_
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✭✭✭✭✭Dragonnord wrote: »I already have to pay for Internet Service just to launch ESO.
Come on! You would have Internet Service anyways. You don't have Internet only becasue of TESO.
Otherwise, with that reasoning then, you have to pay for eletricity in your house, buy a PC, a keyboard, a monitor, a mouse, buy or rent a house or place where to put that stuff under roof, etc., to play TESO too.
Come on!
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✭✭Honestly this would turn me off as a potential player. Every free to play game I've tried on Steam has been garbage. Having to pay a little would inspire more confidence. I don't remember how much I paid for the Imperial Edition in 2016 but I'm sure it was quite reasonable, about $20 or less.0
