Trainee Set And Fishing

Granden_Woodleafson

There's no mechanics to discuss here, just about my misconception of what the Trainee set is about. Yes they drop on starter-islands like Strol M'kai, Betnikh etc. and I would just decon them because I felt I wasn't in training after around 1500 CP. HOWEVER, why was I going to XP farming spots with my level over 2000XP, to use up leftover time on my Aetherial Ambrosia session with my same old dungeon-running gear? I realized with the Trainee set so cheap at Guild Traders I might as well build a whole set for this purpose alone: XP farming and I'm so glad I did. For example, a round at my favorite XP grinding place before was a gain of 32K XP per round with Aetherial active (do 10 rounds and you get a gain of 320K!) I was doing that instead of questing where I was getting around 28K per high-XP yielding quest and to do 10 of those quest would take a LOT more time than just doing 10 rounds at my spot. With the full Trainee set I'm getting 49K per round! I just keep the set available whenever I need to use up Aetherial Ambrosia time instead of schlepping around. Mind you this is without the additional XP boost from the enlightened period you get at the start of every new day, the only XP boost are the 100% from Aetherial Ambrosia and the Trainee set for my test results. For those who avoided fishing calling it useless might want to take a second look, all that fishing results in Aetherial Ambrosia and it takes time and OH it is SO worth it. Fishing may be a joke to some, but not a joke when I'm flying by their CP count by leaps and bounds.

The leftover time on my Aetherial Ambrosia clock after turning in my daily quests (I only use Aetherial to turn in quests, not do them; I turn in around 10 quests at one time) was usually around 30 minutes so I would head straight to my favorite XP grinding spot and get over 350K XP gain after 11 rounds. With the complete Trainee Set I'm getting over 500K XP gain from 11 rounds. Yes fishing may be too sedate for some but the end-result of fishing is this: a bunch of Aetherial Ambrosias to boost your XP, trainee.

Once I made the decision to test the Trainee set at my XP grinding spot, at first I was going to transmute another high level equipment set. However that would have taken 450 transmute crystals (7 armor, 1 shield, 1 weapon, 9 x 50 = 450). What a waste of transmute crystals! I said to myself: "just buy the Trainee set that I was deconstructing all the time". The pieces were cheap, found them with null perspiration. I noticed a little drop off in damage done and a little uptick of damage taken, but all-in-all: null perspiration, not much difference; I was doing rounds in about the same amount of time.

Blood_again

Why 450 transmutes, when you can reconstruct gear for 25 per item?
It would be 225 for your setup. 300 for full gear with jewellery and 2 weapons. Not so much really

Heren

Wait until you found out heartland conqueror.

laniakea_0

I'm not aware of any XP boost offered by the trainee set specifically. the armor pieces do however drop with the training trait which boosts your XP. you may get the same effect from any other set if your pieces have the training trait.

Granden_Woodleafson

Nope, reconstructing takes 50, check it out. Either way, 225 is too much too.

It's a "BOOST", whatever increases your XP is a boost.

Heren wrote: »

Wait until you found out heartland conqueror.

What is ^^ THAT supposed to mean? Some people around here are cryptic just to appear intelligent LOL.

Anyway if you find you are lagging in XP production, I found a way, take it or leave it. I'll be leaving you behind in the dust.

Ishtarknows

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Nope, reconstructing takes 50, check it out. Either way, 225 is too much too.

It's a "BOOST", whatever increases your XP is a boost.

Heren wrote: »

Wait until you found out heartland conqueror.

What is ^^ THAT supposed to mean? Some people around here are cryptic just to appear intelligent LOL.

Anyway if you find you are lagging in XP production, I found a way, take it or leave it. I'll be leaving you behind in the dust.

Heartland Conqueror is a crafted set (no transmutes needed). It's 5-piece bonus is to increase the effectiveness of your weapon trait. https://eso-sets.com/set/heartland-conqueror

Most people make training gear using Heartland, with all pieces in the training trait including weapons.

Also all the gear I reconstruct costs 25 transmutes, unless I don't have all the pieces of that set collected.

Granden_Woodleafson

laniakea_0 wrote: »

I'm not aware of any XP boost offered by the trainee set specifically. the armor pieces do however drop with the training trait which boosts your XP. you may get the same effect from any other set if your pieces have the training trait.

The Trainee set was easy to get and workable for my killing fields, I put the kind of time you mentioned into real equipment. Nice try. Like I said, anything that increases your XP is a boost (including a trait).

virtus753

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Nope, reconstructing takes 50, check it out. Either way, 225 is too much too.

It's a "BOOST", whatever increases your XP is a boost.

Heren wrote: »

Wait until you found out heartland conqueror.

What is ^^ THAT supposed to mean? Some people around here are cryptic just to appear intelligent LOL.

Anyway if you find you are lagging in XP production, I found a way, take it or leave it. I'll be leaving you behind in the dust.

Reconstruction takes 25-75 crystals per piece, depending on how many items of the set you have collected.

Transmutation always takes 50.

Granden_Woodleafson

Heren wrote: »

Wait until you found out heartland conqueror.

The Heartland Conqueror only boosts your weapon trait which would add up to 7%, with the 11% per armor, 3.5% per weapon, 3.5% per shield, that's 84% total, with HC it would be 87.5. An extra 3.5% whoa LOL. Took me minutes to assemble the Trainee set and meets my needs. An 84% boost I'll take it plus it's just training. You don't see soldiers going into battle with training equipment, it you do they'll soon be dead. This is not for battle folks, this is for training, boosting XP, a quick and dirty fix. If I feel I want the extra 3.5% with HC I'll do it later. Next will be to acquire copious amounts of Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia which gives 150% versus the Aetherial Ambrosia which gives you a 100% boost. That is more important to me than HC.

Tatanko

laniakea_0 wrote: »

I'm not aware of any XP boost offered by the trainee set specifically

This. There's nothing about Trainee that makes it better for XP than any other set with the same training traits.

Blood_again

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Nope, reconstructing takes 50, check it out.

I've just made a screen for you, so you don't need to trust my words


While transmuting cost is constant 50, reconstructing goes down to 25 the more items you collected.
Just check it again once you collect one more set item

Blood_again

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Heren wrote: »

Wait until you found out heartland conqueror.

The Heartland Conqueror only boosts your weapon trait which would add up to 7%, with the 11% per armor, 3.5% per weapon, 3.5% per shield, that's 84% total, with HC it would be 87.5. An extra 3.5% whoa LOL. Took me minutes to assemble the Trainee set and meets my needs. An 84% boost I'll take it plus it's just training. You don't see soldiers going into battle with training equipment, it you do they'll soon be dead. This is not for battle folks, this is for training, boosting XP, a quick and dirty fix. If I feel I want the extra 3.5% with HC I'll do it later. Next will be to acquire copious amounts of Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia which gives 150% versus the Aetherial Ambrosia which gives you a 100% boost. That is more important to me than HC.

Your math is fascinating.
You count 11% per armor item, that is true for gold one.
Why do you count 3.5% for weapon then (the blue 1h), if the gold one is 4.5%?
HC will give you 9% either for 2h, or two 1h. Please don't tell me you grind XP with blue sword and board

HC advice is good here.
Also one mythic would be a good addition.


I appreciate you rate the ambrosia boost high. Just remember, that all those small percents don't replace ambrosia, but sums. You can afford all of them at the same time.
But you somewhy fight it instead

Heren

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Heren wrote: »

Wait until you found out heartland conqueror.

The Heartland Conqueror only boosts your weapon trait which would add up to 7%, with the 11% per armor, 3.5% per weapon, 3.5% per shield, that's 84% total, with HC it would be 87.5. An extra 3.5% whoa LOL. Took me minutes to assemble the Trainee set and meets my needs. An 84% boost I'll take it plus it's just training. You don't see soldiers going into battle with training equipment, it you do they'll soon be dead. This is not for battle folks, this is for training, boosting XP, a quick and dirty fix. If I feel I want the extra 3.5% with HC I'll do it later. Next will be to acquire copious amounts of Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia which gives 150% versus the Aetherial Ambrosia which gives you a 100% boost. That is more important to me than HC.

What where you saying about people wanting to appear intelligent ?

There may habe been a bit of misunderstanding here, you looked like excited about the perspective of improving your xp gains and I just set you on another way to improve it. No malice here, quite the contrary.

And sorry but I don't fully understand the gibberish about soldiers going into battle and such. I thought you were farming xp ? And willing to dedicate a set to it ? Because it wasn't that much difficult / longer with trainee ? Well here you go. Have fun anyway farming xp.

coop500

I wonder if there's been a major miscommunication here..
OP: Are you talking about the 'training' trait, or the training set? They're separate, and the only thing boosting your XP from the set, is that it also has the training trait. Any gear can have the training trait.

zaria

laniakea_0 wrote: »

I'm not aware of any XP boost offered by the trainee set specifically. the armor pieces do however drop with the training trait which boosts your XP. you may get the same effect from any other set if your pieces have the training trait.

This training trait is nice for leveling up new alts to 50, but I use crafted sets for <50.
Training trait also its help leveling up companions but rater use xp potions or scrolls here.
Now if low CP it makes sense,

DinoZavr

wait a minute... Armor of Trainee set does not offer bonus XP by itself.
you can use any gear (preferable sets) with Training traits to increase the XP you are obtaining.
there is also the Mora's Whispers mythic (though it is useful if your character is CP160 and read a lot of Mages Guild books)
there is the Heartland Conqueror set boosting weapons traits by 2x and you can craft your weapons in training trait

so for my new toons i normally craft 2 sets (all in blue quality, all in Training traits (except jewelry which is infused or bloodthirsty) - Night Mother Gaze (as you would like to get a 9100 penetration for overland and low-level toons do not have enough pen due to the lack of weapon skills and passives)) and Heartland Conqueror with weapons also in Training trait.

needless to mention there are XP scrolls (or Ambrosias - these two are mutually exclusive),
or if you want XP very fast and willing to spend gold - buy Alchemy master writs and turn them in with a 150% XP scroll
(with 2x XP event with +150% boost these are approximately 3.3 writs per level, without 2x XP event about 6.5 writs/level)

edit: typos

ssewallb14_ESO

I think (??) what the OP is trying to say is they found it easy/cheap to pick up random pieces of Trainee on guild traders as a way to assemble a set of training gear, because it only drops in training?

Kinda makes sense at a casual level, if the cost/benefit of crafting 5 pieces of heartland conq is too high for you.

DinoZavr

@ssewallb14_ESO maybe. but ESO is the MMO after all, and this is what Guilds are for - Guild crafters can make whatever sets for a little fee, or just for free (i craft newbies blue gear for my low-level Guildies' toons just for free because i have a lot of low level materials and blue tempers in the craftbag and it does not take a lot of time to help others with newbs gear).

edit: Trainee drops in all traits except nirnhoned

ssewallb14_ESO

DinoZavr wrote: »

edit: Trainee drops in all traits except nirnhoned

It doesn't. Any Trainee set item that can have the Training trait will only drop in training. Jewelry drops in standard (Arcane, Robust, Health) overland drop traits.

Bammlschwamml

You can get other traits too. Some quest reward you with named set pieces. "Gallant Chain" for example is a reinforced heavy chest (or Cuirass) that many PvP players are wearing.

I kind of like this thread. This game is ten years old, and someone is getting excited over farming xp. With maybe a million xp farming guides out there. And fishing

bmnoble

Or just reconstruct the gear you would normally use in your build with the training trait, or make use of the heartlands conquer sets, doubling of the weapon trait bonus.

The trainee set is just easy access to the training trait either for low level characters to level up or for trait research.

Sluggy

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Heren wrote: »

Wait until you found out heartland conqueror.

You don't see soldiers going into battle with training equipment, it you do they'll soon be dead. This is not for battle folks, this is for training, boosting XP, a quick and dirty fix.

You *are* aware that you can put the training trait on anything, right? It's cool that you found a handy set that helps you without much effort. But for later use it would be much better to use set that does more for you like give you a speed boost or increase your XP boost even further.

Just for the record though: Trainee is a staple set for use in the hardest of hardcore PvP. That First-line bonus is nothing to scoff at and if you are going for max stats the other two aren't bad either.

Grizzbeorn

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

Some people around here are cryptic just to appear intelligent LOL.

Oh really.

While you make it sound like the mere act of fishing grants you Aetherial Ambrosia, when you know very well it's much more complicated than that.

The Perfect Roe needed for Psijic Ambrosia is a rare drop from fishing (or requires purchase from a guild trader; either way, not as much a "sure thing" as your statements make fishing as a source sound), and the Diminished Aetherial Dust needed to upgrade Psijic Ambrosia to Aetherial Ambrosia is an even more rare drop. (or requires writ vouchers to purchase, or a buy from a guild trader.)

loosej

I'm a bit over CP 2500 and still run my training set by default.

5 pc Heartland Conqueror (weapon xp bonus)
5 pc Adept Rider (faster movement = faster xp)
1 pc Mora's Whispers (with full library knowledge)
1 pc Slimecraw

Armor and Weapons are training, jewelry is swift. Everything gold quality (these were the first jewels I golded back when you still needed 10 grains to create 1 plating). Armor enchants are all tri-stat (yes I really splurged on this build).

This setup works for everything up to world bosses, normal (dlc) dungeons, and early infinite archive rounds. I've been running it since cp 200 or so (though not golded at that point) and plan to do so all the way until cp 3600.

Don't run sword&shield on your training build, it's a waste. If you want to earn xp fast, things need to die fast. What you can do if you want a bit more survivability (and what I do) is create the 3 big armor pieces (head/chest/legs) in heavy armor.

DinoZavr

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

DinoZavr wrote: »

edit: Trainee drops in all traits except nirnhoned

It doesn't. Any Trainee set item that can have the Training trait will only drop in training. Jewelry drops in standard (Arcane, Robust, Health) overland drop traits.

right.
sorry for correcting, @ssewallb14_ESO
today i did 4 laps around Khenarti coastline looting treasure chests, indeed, all the armor dropped in Training trait
so, yes, i was wrong. sorry for that. and thanks for correction