Vamp or no vamp

Syiccal

With the change to undeath do you still rate vamp as a must have

Vaqual

Yes, I still use it

With the characters that are vampires according to my RP lore I will always use vampire, and vice versa for the others. It is not a build craft decision for me if I am vampire, only how I choose to utilize it for the characters who are by default.

Necrotech_Master

my NB i primarily use for pvp was never a vamp to begin with, so i cant accurately answer the poll lol

Artim_X

From a lore perspective my characters are vampires even if I don't use any of the actual skills (I loved all of them Pre Greymoor, Greymoor mist was chef's kiss, the current change to mist is imho absolute garbage).

The passives are still nice to have especially Dark Stalker and Unnatural Movement.

West93

No I've cured it.

Plar has sustain issues in pvp so better without vamp.

Turtle_Bot

Poll needs a third option of "Other, please explain".

(The following is from a build craft perspective, not role play perspective).

I find undeath less mandatory now (still stronger than it really needs to be, but not oppressively so, like it was before), so I tend to not bother keeping vamp at stage 3 for undeath anymore on most classes and just let it sit at stage 1 (too lazy to actually cure it).

That being said, I still keep it up on my NB because NB gets significantly more benefits/synergy over other classes from being vamp than just undeath mitigation.

WaywardArgonian

Didn't use it to begin with.

Aurielle

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

Didn't use it to begin with.

Ditto. I didn’t die any more than my allies did when Undeath was at its strongest, so I didn’t see the point in gimping my sustain for a passive that wouldn’t make a difference for me anyway. I’m noticing that more players are dying around me (and dying because of me) after the nerf, so it’s clear that the 30% damage reduction at all times made people a bit more complacent or maybe made them forget how to play defensively.

Syiccal

It's probs like 5-10% now realistically as the 15 is at 1% if I'm correct at which point your likely dead anyway

Afterip

Yes, I still use it

Playing a necromancer in pvp, I feel like there's an " ↓ easy kill" banner hanging over my head. So I definitely take 3rd stage just to live a little longer.

Vevvev

Yes, I still use it

Less a must have, and more a "I was going to stay one anyways" sort of deal. I play ESO because it's an MMO where I can play a vampire, and the bonuses and flaws that come with it are just apart of the experience.

Urzigurumash

Yes, I still use it

Afterip wrote: »

Playing a necromancer in pvp, I feel like there's an " ↓ easy kill" banner hanging over my head. So I definitely take 3rd stage just to live a little longer.

I do too, and we have some skills that cost nothing, which makes Undeath cheaper for us than others.

If you're doing some math about it, don't forget your Major Resolve buff also has a cost, and it also mitigates around 10%. Further, Undeath and Major Resolve are both relatively stronger if you don't have the other (like everything really - stacking bonuses weakens their effect).

SkaraMinoc

I never used it to begin with. Not needed on a Stam Sorc even if some streamers and PvP build sites say otherwise.

The best thing I ever did was slot Duelist's Rebuff and Ironclad and always use Quick Cloak for Major Evasion. That covers nearly all mitigation needed on a Stam Sorc. Minor Protection and Minor Resolve is an added bonus if you have the slot(s).

The second best thing I ever did was learn how to block, especially ranged projectiles. Sometimes I'll 1vX knowing I'll die and I'll just stay defensive the whole time and practice blocking weaving. I'll toggle block for 0.2 seconds during the window that a Crystal Fragments might hit. Or I'll practice block weaving during a ranged player's spammable cadence so I block most of their damage from range.

If you have situational awareness then the core mechanics take you a long way. There are situations where Vamp mitigation helps a Stam Sorc but those should be infrequent if you're careful and not tired or being lazy.

Major_Toughness

NB's yes, because they benefit from Strike from the Shadows passive still.

I have technically kept it on every character via the Armoury, however I cleanse it on any non-NB I'm playing solo.

For playing in group, it's harder to replace the mitigation from Undeath than it is to get the sustain to even out the cost increases. So keep it for organised group play.

Urzigurumash

Yes, I still use it

Major_Toughness wrote: »

NB's yes, because they benefit from Strike from the Shadows passive still.

I have technically kept it on every character via the Armoury, however I cleanse it on any non-NB I'm playing solo.

For playing in group, it's harder to replace the mitigation from Undeath than it is to get the sustain to even out the cost increases. So keep it for organised group play.

Did you crunch the numbers for your solo builds though? My current impression is that it is in fact decently balanced now, whether the Mitigation is worth the Cost Increase really does matter what your Mitigation vs Resource Costs are without Undeath. Even at 10% it's like 6600 Armor that can't be penetrated - i.e. stronger than Major Resolve, which you're spending Mag, a slot, and a GCD on.

Maybe I'm overhyping it, but it's nice to not have a clear answer on this subject, players once again have a real choice to make on Vampirism like they did before the revisions of 2020-2021.

Major_Toughness

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Major_Toughness wrote: »

NB's yes, because they benefit from Strike from the Shadows passive still.

I have technically kept it on every character via the Armoury, however I cleanse it on any non-NB I'm playing solo.

For playing in group, it's harder to replace the mitigation from Undeath than it is to get the sustain to even out the cost increases. So keep it for organised group play.

Did you crunch the numbers for your solo builds though? My current impression is that it is in fact decently balanced now, whether the Mitigation is worth the Cost Increase really does matter what your Mitigation vs Resource Costs are without Undeath. Even at 10% it's like 6600 Armor that can't be penetrated - i.e. stronger than Major Resolve, which you're spending Mag, a slot, and a GCD on.

Maybe I'm overhyping it, but it's nice to not have a clear answer on this subject, players once again have a real choice to make on Vampirism like they did before the revisions of 2020-2021.

There is also the extra flame damage taken and Dawnbreakers which outweighs the resistances pretty much all the time.

I didn't crunch the numbers, I just test and go off what feels better to me.

Bushido2513

Major_Toughness wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Major_Toughness wrote: »

NB's yes, because they benefit from Strike from the Shadows passive still.

I have technically kept it on every character via the Armoury, however I cleanse it on any non-NB I'm playing solo.

For playing in group, it's harder to replace the mitigation from Undeath than it is to get the sustain to even out the cost increases. So keep it for organised group play.

Did you crunch the numbers for your solo builds though? My current impression is that it is in fact decently balanced now, whether the Mitigation is worth the Cost Increase really does matter what your Mitigation vs Resource Costs are without Undeath. Even at 10% it's like 6600 Armor that can't be penetrated - i.e. stronger than Major Resolve, which you're spending Mag, a slot, and a GCD on.

Maybe I'm overhyping it, but it's nice to not have a clear answer on this subject, players once again have a real choice to make on Vampirism like they did before the revisions of 2020-2021.

There is also the extra flame damage taken and Dawnbreakers which outweighs the resistances pretty much all the time.

I didn't crunch the numbers, I just test and go off what feels better to me.

Yeah you need to be at half health just to get 10 but the flame is an extra 13 so overall you can end up taking a good amount of flame damage from 100 to 50 percent health. This is from the common DB and the now buffed by new set DK lol

Urzigurumash

Yes, I still use it

Great point, we actually do take more Flame Damage than Mortals now!

Bushido2513

I'm going to try dropping it today to see how it feels. Tough thing is that it depends on the flight but at this point it's definitely worth considering. I'm curious to see how the sustain feels bring that I haven't gone non vamp in a long time

BixenteN7Akantor

Yes, I still use it

I keep it on my PvP main (healer magplar) only for the removal of sneak speed penalty and very rarely use mist form to unstuck myself.

StaticWave

No I've cured it.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

I never used it to begin with. Not needed on a Stam Sorc even if some streamers and PvP build sites say otherwise.

The best thing I ever did was slot Duelist's Rebuff and Ironclad and always use Quick Cloak for Major Evasion. That covers nearly all mitigation needed on a Stam Sorc. Minor Protection and Minor Resolve is an added bonus if you have the slot(s).

The second best thing I ever did was learn how to block, especially ranged projectiles. Sometimes I'll 1vX knowing I'll die and I'll just stay defensive the whole time and practice blocking weaving. I'll toggle block for 0.2 seconds during the window that a Crystal Fragments might hit. Or I'll practice block weaving during a ranged player's spammable cadence so I block most of their damage from range.

If you have situational awareness then the core mechanics take you a long way. There are situations where Vamp mitigation helps a Stam Sorc but those should be infrequent if you're careful and not tired or being lazy.

Been seeing you zerg a lot though

Aurielle

Just want to add, I’m only using vamp on one character right now — NB, of course. Only Stage 2, for Strike from the Shadows. Stupidly OP passive on NB, one that means I don’t have to slot a weapon damage enchant and can instead slot Oblivion damage on my back bar with poisons on my front bar even more ranged easy mode cheese.