MY dots on OTHER players bring ME out of stealth

Theignson

I've noticed this for some time. If I cast, for example, elemental susceptibility or degen on another player, then stealth, very often when the dot on THEM ticks, I come out of stealth.

This is maddening and makes no sense. Especially since the dot lasts 30 seconds.

I had thought i saw somewhere that this was going to be fixed, but it is NOT fixed-- any ideas on when it will be fixed?

KS_Amt38

Oh yeah lets put dots on everyone and then go stealth, that makes much more sense.

XSTRONG

KS_Amt38 wrote: »

Oh yeah lets put dots on everyone and then go stealth, that makes much more sense.

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Theignson

KS_Amt38 wrote: »

Oh yeah lets put dots on everyone and then go stealth, that makes much more sense.

You really think dots going off on another player should pull you out of stealth?? As far as I know the game never did that before.
Dots don't harm players, the only point of elemental sus is to apply major breech. The goal is not to apply dots and wait until they kill the player, that is never going to happen.

NB use stealth to prepare their burst, in case you have never played a NB.

If you just don't like NB, that's fine. But, I play all classes in PvP and I still don't think a NB putting ele susc on my DK should pull that player out of stealth.

Katzenzunge

Theignson wrote: »

KS_Amt38 wrote: »

Oh yeah lets put dots on everyone and then go stealth, that makes much more sense.

Dots don't harm players, the only point of elemental sus is to apply major breech.

Uhm. Am I misunderstanding something, or did the abbreviation change?
As far as I am aware, a Damage over time effect does indeed harm players?

blktauna

Katzenzunge wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

KS_Amt38 wrote: »

Oh yeah lets put dots on everyone and then go stealth, that makes much more sense.

Dots don't harm players, the only point of elemental sus is to apply major breech.

Uhm. Am I misunderstanding something, or did the abbreviation change?
As far as I am aware, a Damage over time effect does indeed harm players?

depends on the dot. elemental Suseptibility is:
Send the elements to sap an enemy's defenses and afflict them with Major Breach for 30 seconds, reducing their Physical and Spell Resistance by 5948. Every 7.5 seconds the enemy is afflicted with the Burning, Chilled, and Concussion status effect.

React

You shouldn't be able to just apply a bunch of negative effects to somebody then sit in stealth.

Theignson

React wrote: »

You shouldn't be able to just apply a bunch of negative effects to somebody then sit in stealth.

React but it never previously did this, right? Or am I wrong.

I never applied ele susc with my NB until I saw YOUR build with the back bar ice staff! Maybe it has always been the case. I know you play a brawler NB with no stealth.

As you well know the point is not to apply damage and sit in stealth, the point is to apply major breech then do your combo.

The patch notes said
"Elemental Susceptibility: Fixed an issue where this ability would break stealth and invisibility each tick."

Theignson

This is a bug report board, as far as I know this is a bug.

The patch notes said
"Elemental Susceptibility: Fixed an issue where this ability would break stealth and invisibility each tick."

Did this mean only if it is applied to you?

I know lots of people fear NB, they hate stealth, they are upset about NB cloaking away from a battle....
but none of this is relevant if this is indeed an unintended bug.

applying dots has always done this to stealth I apologize and will adjust my approach like I've done 100 times before on NB

Galeriano2

Theignson wrote: »

This is a bug report board, as far as I know this is a bug.

The patch notes said
"Elemental Susceptibility: Fixed an issue where this ability would break stealth and invisibility each tick."

Did this mean only if it is applied to you?

I know lots of people fear NB, they hate stealth, they are upset about NB cloaking away from a battle....
but none of this is relevant if this is indeed an unintended bug.

applying dots has always done this to stealth I apologize and will adjust my approach like I've done 100 times before on NB

Yes it meant when it's applied to You.

Initial dmg procs of status effects are considered as direct dmg not as a DoT. Fact that You apply status efefcts every 7,5sec doesn't change a fact that the dmg You apply is a direct dmg thus by design should kick You out of cloak. Even being kicked out of cloak when someone applied ele sus on You was working as intended but ZoS simply felt bad for all nightblades who can't survive 2 seconds without cloak spam. It's no different than taking dmg from sorc's curse after 3, 6 or 8 sec. That ability explosion will also break cloak because it's a direct dmg despite it being on a time intervals. When ZoS uses phrase "fixed an issue" in patch notes it doesn't instantly mean the issue was a bug.

Galeriano2

Theignson wrote: »

React wrote: »

You shouldn't be able to just apply a bunch of negative effects to somebody then sit in stealth.

React but it never previously did this, right? Or am I wrong.

I never applied ele susc with my NB until I saw YOUR build with the back bar ice staff! Maybe it has always been the case. I know you play a brawler NB with no stealth.

As you well know the point is not to apply damage and sit in stealth, the point is to apply major breech then do your combo.

The patch notes said
"Elemental Susceptibility: Fixed an issue where this ability would break stealth and invisibility each tick."

If You want to apply major breach than continue with Your combo than YOu have a perfect class ability for that. It's called piercing mark.

Galeriano2

Theignson wrote: »

KS_Amt38 wrote: »

Oh yeah lets put dots on everyone and then go stealth, that makes much more sense.

You really think dots going off on another player should pull you out of stealth?? As far as I know the game never did that before.
Dots don't harm players, the only point of elemental sus is to apply major breech. The goal is not to apply dots and wait until they kill the player, that is never going to happen.

NB use stealth to prepare their burst, in case you have never played a NB.

If you just don't like NB, that's fine. But, I play all classes in PvP and I still don't think a NB putting ele susc on my DK should pull that player out of stealth.

I think many people thinks that. With the strenght of DoT combinations that can be applied to someone fact that it can be done safely from range and stealth is just becoming more and more questionable. Fact that game never did something like that before doesn't mean it couldn't or shouldn't happen. We can say "game never did that before" about literally every new feature.

You want to tell me that when someone wearing way of fire+sheer venom applies poison injection + optionally ele sus on someone it doesn't harm the afflited player? Interresting approach. I think You underestimate how strong ele sus is offensively. For majority of setups adding up burning, chilled and concussed dmg that were applied from ele sus, would put this ability on number 1 spot dmg wise, quite often burning status from ele sus alone is taking number 1 spot. Burnbing from ele sus is the most reliable DoT in the game at the moment. These 3 status effects ticks combined hit for a half of the value of spammable ability.

Nightblade uses stealth for way more than just to prepare burst. Sitting in stealth while Your DoTs are eating enemy's HP is one of the posibilities.

More often than not it have nothing to do with hate towards nightblades but rather the fact stealth playstyle design in ESO is dramatically flawed which is always reflected in a state of PvP.

Theignson

ok, I just gave up on degen as major brutality source (can use new scribed skills) and gave up on elemental susc if I want to use stealth.
Easy enough.
I was just surprised but i guess I never noticed my dots bringing me out of stealth previously.

If you are dying to dots from a stealthed NB, your build or gameplay is off. This is not how NB kill players.

Lots of things bring people out of stealth these days.

The most effective counter to a stealthed NB is detection pots. They have a huge range. You can find that squishy and destroy them, unless they are running rallying cry and are really not so squishy , with the new buff to cloak.

(Cloak is the most ridiculously OP skill in the game, now give 14 seconds major resolve, Plus guaranteed crit, plus free major sorcery on both bars, plus vampre 300 weapon damage boost, plus huge offesive and defensive flexibility).

silky_soft

I guess it be like...

As a sorc your dots pull you out of ward or rubber band you to your faster then speed cap streak launch location.

As a templar your dots interupt you from healing others.

As a dk your dots pull you out of block.

This is not Sneak, it's cloak. Back in the day you could actually drop some dots. Then cloak up and watch then all crit till you ran out of magika. Was pretty funny, but gone are those days. It was around that fix things cloak started to fail.

Highwayman

I am pretty sure dots you put on others have always pulled you from stealth. I remember learning it when I was heavily playing IC, so going back to sometime 2016 at least.

Theignson

I originally plated a DK and I think that was all I played until maybe 2018. So I used tons of dots but never stealthed. So I just never knew this.

Dots bring you out of both stealth and cloak

The other annoying thing as mentioned is if elemental susc is on YOU, you can't fix walls or your siege because they interrupt it. Not sure if this is intended