QuakeCon Eso live Fail!

XSTRONG · August 9

So I put D4 aside for a couple of mins to see QuakeCon Eso stream and my god what a big mess and disappointment

About 60% of veiwers on YT droped off 10 mins into the first trial run, people in chat wonder <snip> is going on and there eyes are bleeding they said because the mess on the screen guess all the addons and stuff and no one that do not play endgame Eso have no clue whats happening on screen.

Do Zos really except to get new players by showing a trial run like this, how many active Eso players play like this?

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LaintalAy · August 9

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TaSheen · August 9

Me either. Eww.

Syldras · August 9

There was a stream? I was busy doing other things... Looks like I haven't missed anything of interest, though.

ArchangelIsraphel · August 9

I'd guess that the viewer dropoff had more to do with lack of interest and incentive to watch than it did the UI on the screen.

TheMajority · August 9

not getting me to watch on youtube i need twitch rewards to even bother watching trials people otherwise nope no twitch no watch

Syldras · August 9

I mean, I understand that people's interests are vastly different, but I'm personally only interested in streams if there's new information - announcements for new content, or some kind of background info (be it about lore, voice acting, concept art, level design). If the only stream content is people playing the game, then I'd rather spend the time playing ESO myself.

Elsonso · August 9

LaintalAy wrote: »

I don't watch those things.

I watched it. Eigh1 Puppies running commentary was awesome to listen to. He had a ton of energy. I felt sorry for Finn a few times, as he tried to squeeze in a few comments.

XSTRONG · August 9

Elsonso wrote: »

LaintalAy wrote: »

I don't watch those things.

I watched it. Eigh1 Puppies running commentary was awesome to listen to. He had a ton of energy. I felt sorry for Finn a few times, as he tried to squeeze in a few comments.

Yeah he commented like they where playing a 1.000.000 dollar CS game and no one not in eso had a clue about anything he said.

ArchangelIsraphel · August 9

Syldras wrote: »

I mean, I understand that people's interests are vastly different, but I'm personally only interested in streams if there's new information - announcements for new content, or some kind of background info (be it about lore, voice acting, concept art, level design). If the only stream content is people playing the game, then I'd rather spend the time playing ESO myself.

This right here. I'll watch streams that talk about the content and what's coming in the future, but I'm definitely not watching someone else play the game unless it's a developer showing something off. If there's a twitch crate on offer, I'll put the volume on as low as possible and go play myself so that I can have the gems.

I also feel that if their intention was to draw in new players during QuakeCon, showcasing trials in such a way was a poor choice. The commentary was the most off putting part about it, honestly. It wasn't a good representation of what ESO is really about at all, or how most or the community views/plays it.

Elsonso · August 10

XSTRONG wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

LaintalAy wrote: »

I don't watch those things.

I watched it. Eigh1 Puppies running commentary was awesome to listen to. He had a ton of energy. I felt sorry for Finn a few times, as he tried to squeeze in a few comments.

Yeah he commented like they where playing a 1.000.000 dollar CS game and no one not in eso had a clue about anything he said.

Yes, but he made it sound like everyone did. Finn even had to toss out a disclaimer.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · August 10

I hadn’t realized there was a stream, but it sounds like I didn’t miss anything.

Soarora · August 10

Syldras wrote: »

There was a stream? I was busy doing other things... Looks like I haven't missed anything of interest, though.

I only knew about the stream because ZOS briefly asked here for people to run LC. I’ll have to check it out later, but trials aren’t usually fun to watch. People just watch them to learn strats to do them or to support friends… there’s a reason clips of eso and typical eso streamers are PvP.

GuuMoonRyoung · August 10

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

I also feel that if their intention was to draw in new players during QuakeCon, showcasing trials in such a way was a poor choice. The commentary was the most off putting part about it, honestly. It wasn't a good representation of what ESO is really about at all, or how most or the community views/plays it.

This is a mess, it doesn't seem like ZOS knows what they are doing when it comes to marketing their game. They could have organized a tavern song party, a roleplay of jokes and random encounters, it could have enticed a lot of people but showing off trials doesn't seem like very enticing even for me...

SeaGtGruff · August 10

Well, I don't really run trials, either-- I did once, and it was fun, but I generally don't group up with other players for dungeons or trials-- however the trial competition last year seemed to be very well received by a sizable portion of the community, players who do like to run trials. Also, players coming from other MMOs usually want to know about "raids" in ESO, so showcasing the newest trial by having a competition between two teams is something that fans of other MMOs might be especially interested in watching.

I didn't realize that the competition was being shown on YouTube, but most ESO players probably preferred to watch it stream on Twitch so they could get drops. I know that a lot of players who were watching the stream on Bethesda's Twitch channel changed over to the Xbox channel to continue watching it because for some reason the Twitch drops were active on the Xbox channel but not on the Bethesda channel. So if YouTube was showing the broadcast from Bethesda's Twitch channel, that's probably why the viewer numbers went down midway through-- because people went to the Xbox channel to watch it and get the drops for it.

Orbital78 · August 10

XSTRONG wrote: »

people in chat wonder wtf is going on and there eyes are bleeding they said because the mess on the screen guess all the addons and stuff and no one that do not play endgame Eso have no clue whats happening on screen.

Do Zos really except to get new players by showing a trial run like this, how many active Eso players play like this?

High end prog groups often have many mech trackers and buff trackers, especially the supports. I have less that they do on screen for sure, but I also play on ultrawide so it doesn't look so clustered. I don't know their setups and stuff, did they bring their own PC's or did they quickly just try to install addons on a spare rig?

The second run didn't even have players rendering via addons.

TBH it might have looked better having a GM 3rd party somehow observing where they don't effect the instance, but whatever. Hopefully people had fun, sadly the stream cut out for me towards the end of the second run.

Desiato · August 10

This has always been true. ESO is a fast paced game. Non-players watching experienced players play will have no idea what's going on. This applies to PVP too.

SeaGtGruff · August 10

ESO can be as fast-paced or as slow-paced as you choose to make it (i.e., depending on which type of content you choose to play)-- but slow-paced gameplay is seldom very exciting for other people to watch. When people watch esports, they generally want to see something that's got a lot of action and excitement. I mean, sure, there are people who go to golf tournaments in person or watch golf on TV, but if a group of friends get together to watch a game on TV, it's much more likely to be a sport like football rather than golf.

RexyCat · August 10

Here is the part where ZoS run their Trail team (NA):

https://youtube.com/live/o58IzkTV144?si=FslE1nfntsz4oHhn&t=5480

N00BxV1 · August 10

It seems like some people were not aware that the QuakeCon ESO stream was also on Twitch, and there were drops as well. I got an Ouroborus Crown Crate and a Major XP Scroll.

I think what the viewers (especially those who haven't played ESO) mean by "don't know what's going on" during the trials isn't because of the game's UI or addons, it's because of all the special effects and visual clutter right in the middle of the screen which makes it difficult to see what's happening. We've asked zos for years to tone down the visual clutter, give us some settings to adjust special effects transparency, etc. It's just too bad nothing has ever changed and more clutter keeps getting added to the game...

And the commentary during the trials was good. Well, I mean, that person is good at commentary... But ESO isn't an e-sport, and it just sounded out of place and forced.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, didn't we have a similar discussion about last year's QuakeCon ESO stream? Because if I remember correctly it was the same thing but a different trial. Or am I just having Déjà vu...

Elsonso · August 10

N00BxV1 wrote: »

It seems like some people were not aware that the QuakeCon ESO stream was also on Twitch, and there were drops as well. I got an Ouroborus Crown Crate and a Major XP Scroll.

ZOS did not do a lot of publicity work around the trial stream and what the benefits were. I knew something was happening this week, but I had to search around to find out when it was happening. As it was, I was 5 minutes late and spent the first 20 minutes fighting with Twitch and the Twitch app because I was mobile.

Don't even get me started on the fact that the Bethesda channel was not configured for ESO and did not have drops, while the XBox channel was configured correctly and did. Sheesh...

I am amazed I even got a drop from that stream, between Bethesda not setting it up to start with and Twitch being twitchy (pun intended).

N00BxV1 wrote: »

I think what the viewers (especially those who haven't played ESO) mean by "don't know what's going on" during the trials isn't because of the game's UI or addons, it's because of all the special effects and visual clutter right in the middle of the screen which makes it difficult to see what's happening. We've asked zos for years to tone down the visual clutter, give us some settings to adjust special effects transparency, etc. It's just too bad nothing has ever changed and more clutter keeps getting added to the game...

In this particular case, flashy is better. I don't expect people to be tracking what an individual is doing on a stream, even if they can see the individual. This stream operated at the group level, and flashy made it pretty clear that the group wasn't on a coffee break.

The stream was not educational, although the commentary did try to keep up with what was going on. It was entirely for entertainment for a casual audience, and I thought they did well for that.

N00BxV1 wrote: »

And the commentary during the trials was good. Well, I mean, that person is good at commentary... But ESO isn't an e-sport, and it just sounded out of place and forced.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, didn't we have a similar discussion about last year's QuakeCon ESO stream? Because if I remember correctly it was the same thing but a different trial. Or am I just having Déjà vu...

ESO is not an e-sport and never will be, but the whole stream worked because of the energy from that commentary. It provided context for the situation and explained what was happening. Bringing in "e--sports-like" commentary was a good move and probably kept some people around longer.

If there was a QuakeCon trial stream last year, I did not watch, so I can't compare. I do know that "Tipsy Trials", which is (or was) the weekly streamer trial run, is boring to watch. Boring, as in watching paint dry boring. The one or two times I actually watched, it was only for a couple minutes.

Pevey · August 10

I didn't know about it, watching it now. Eight_Puppies did a great job. I am thoroughly enjoying it. I would definitely watch more trials with him commentating.

helloelli · August 10

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

I also feel that if their intention was to draw in new players during QuakeCon, showcasing trials in such a way was a poor choice. The commentary was the most off putting part about it, honestly. It wasn't a good representation of what ESO is really about at all, or how most or the community views/plays it.

This is a mess, it doesn't seem like ZOS knows what they are doing when it comes to marketing their game. They could have organized a tavern song party, a roleplay of jokes and random encounters, it could have enticed a lot of people but showing off trials doesn't seem like very enticing even for me...

see, the thing about quakecon is that its a convention centered around LAN competitions, so it makes sense that eso would bring trials. understandable if it isnt everyones cup of tea, but you cant expect a competitive event to have tavern parties or things like that. the raiding community just recently had the biggest competition of the year over on pc na and eu, so people who are interested definitely are here, even if it isnt everyones interest. puppies did great at casting, regardless of how the community views or plays it

TybaltKaine · August 10

Maybe they should invite console players to these things so you don't have a bunch of out of game nonsense littering the screen.

TheMajority · August 10

Pevey wrote: »

I didn't know about it, watching it now. Eight_Puppies did a great job. I am thoroughly enjoying it. I would definitely watch more trials with him commentating.

I muted it. Commentary for PVE is not great. PVP commentary is good in e-sports because competition is happening and PVP is more like a sport. PVE is not like a sport and is not players Vs eachothers.

I don't want to see any more stream ever with this commentating for eso. I don't like the e-sport stuff coming into ESO. ESO is not an e-sport and we don't need that here.

I want to see refined culture of ESO and it's actual lore and good conversations, not this "sports team" behavior.

ArchangelIsraphel · August 10

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

I also feel that if their intention was to draw in new players during QuakeCon, showcasing trials in such a way was a poor choice. The commentary was the most off putting part about it, honestly. It wasn't a good representation of what ESO is really about at all, or how most or the community views/plays it.

This is a mess, it doesn't seem like ZOS knows what they are doing when it comes to marketing their game. They could have organized a tavern song party, a roleplay of jokes and random encounters, it could have enticed a lot of people but showing off trials doesn't seem like very enticing even for me...

For me, it wasn't that they showed trials- it was that they had e-sports style commentary. Showing trials isn't really a bad thing, as a large part of our community engages with them (I do as well) However, if a new player comes to ESO expecting it's community to be e-sports centered in the way CS GO and League of Legends is, they're going to be sorely disappointed as that is not what this community is at all. I felt it was a misrepresentation of what is really being sold here.

But I suppose they did it to generate "hype" just as they have before (Which will fall off when people realize that very few players actually sit and watch others play in trials without twitch drops as an incentive, nor do we have a lot of end game competitions unless an event like QuakeCon is associated with it.)

Hopefully anyone who decides to join the game based on that stream ends up enjoying it for what it is, and doesn't get disappointed by the infrequent occurrence of these commentated events.

Pevey · August 10

TheMajority wrote: »

I want to see refined culture of ESO and it's actual lore and good conversations, not this "sports team" behavior.

Why not both?

He was really on point. I heard about it last night running trials. Everyone there who had seen it was impressed. He knows his stuff. Of course, it is not for everyone. Personally, I would rather watch C-span (yuck) than a sports game on TV. So, I get it. But for people in the trials community, the general opinion is that he did an amazing job and give us more, please.

TheMajority · August 10

Pevey wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

I want to see refined culture of ESO and it's actual lore and good conversations, not this "sports team" behavior.

Why not both?

He was really on point. I heard about it last night running trials. Everyone there who had seen it was impressed. He knows his stuff. Of course, it is not for everyone. Personally, I would rather watch C-span (yuck) than a sports game on TV. So, I get it. But for people in the trials community, the general opinion is that he did an amazing job and give us more, please.

on point about what? i don't see the point of dictating over what you can see on the screen plainly. i muted this voice so i could concentrate on other tasks.

i don't want to see eso turn into nothing but end game idolization of teams like other e-sports thats not what this game needs to focus on. i want to see its story and lore develop not money put towards competitions or teams or other stuff these e-sports do that costs huge amounts of money. put that money towards the development of the chapters and making the game work good, not this stuff. more live streams with lore and other stuff- trial community is small, the community which loves quests and playing the lore is larger.

less of these big events, more of developing the game, please.

EdjeSwift · August 10

TheMajority wrote: »

on point about what? i don't see the point of dictating over what you can see on the screen plainly. i muted this voice so i could concentrate on other tasks.

i don't want to see eso turn into nothing but end game idolization of teams like other e-sports thats not what this game needs to focus on. i want to see its story and lore develop not money put towards competitions or teams or other stuff these e-sports do that costs huge amounts of money. put that money towards the development of the chapters and making the game work good, not this stuff. more live streams with lore and other stuff- trial community is small, the community which loves quests and playing the lore is larger.

less of these big events, more of developing the game, please.

In case you didn't know, this was done because of Quakecon.

Quakecon, since it's inception, has been a celebration of gaming and tournaments in gaming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuakeCon This small celebration has grown into a larger one which has been supported and organized by Zenimax Media(not ZoS) as a way to celebrate their titles and software, due in large part to being the parent company of id Software, the creators of the eponymous Quake video game. ZoS, being a part of Zenimax's portfolio is of course expected to be there and participate in the celebration and this trial competition is most in line with the spirit of the convention. I wouldn't expect ZoS to do much more of these outside of Quakecon, I mean look at the 10th year celebration, it had an RP tavern and panels.

Pevey · August 10

There HAVE been live streams with the loremaster. It's not as if that has been completely neglected.

There is a sizeable community that loves trials. I don't think any group in ESO is a majority. The majority of people insta-click all quest dialogue. At the same time, for other people, the quests are the only reason they play. Lots of players don't engage with housing at all. For a sizeable minority, housing is everything.

ESO does not spend much time catering to end-game PVE players, even to the point of going from 4 to 2 dungeons per year. But for Quakecon, it just makes sense. Why be bitter that a modicum of effort was spent on something you happen to not enjoy?

Theist_VII · August 10

People have been saying it for years…

It’s no surprise why SypherPK had the most viewed streams that ESO ever saw. When you have the choice between a stream about trials or a stream of the randomness of Cyrodiil, it’s obvious… or at least it was when ball groups weren’t rampant, and the population caps had room for people that wanted to explore the region.