Two different version of same card in tavern

GuuMoonRyoung

Opponent chooses Reach King, he is fully upgraded and I am not. His fully upgraded 9 coin agent combos for 3 power while mine for 1 power and both cards are sitting side by side on tavern. Just put the highest version of the card available in the tavern, remove the lower versions from tavern draw pool. That way we have more different types of cards in the tavern and more options for players, this way the game will go faster.

Necrotech_Master

when a player picks a deck, if the player that selects the deck has upgraded cards both players have access to the upgraded versions

the card upgrades have never done all of them, they upgrade half of the available copies of that card

for your example it sounds like you were seeing both a hagraven and hagraven matron card in the tavern, which is possible

theres only 2 copies of the hagraven card in the red eagle deck, and 1 of them gets upgraded

i dont know why they chose to do it that way instead of card upgrades upgrading all of the copies, but thats how the game has worked since tribute was released

GuuMoonRyoung

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

when a player picks a deck, if the player that selects the deck has upgraded cards both players have access to the upgraded versions

the card upgrades have never done all of them, they upgrade half of the available copies of that card

for your example it sounds like you were seeing both a hagraven and hagraven matron card in the tavern, which is possible

theres only 2 copies of the hagraven card in the red eagle deck, and 1 of them gets upgraded

i dont know why they chose to do it that way instead of card upgrades upgrading all of the copies, but thats how the game has worked since tribute was released

I see, this situation really dilutes the card pool and increases the game time for no reason other than to increase the game time. I really hope they take a look at this.

Necrotech_Master

im not sure how it dilutes the card pool, the deck still provides the same number of cards

GuuMoonRyoung

There is no need for 2 cards with same function with one being worse, just the upgraded one is enough. When we have both the upgraded and non upgraded cards, just like my example, they both come up in the tavern and take up 2 spots. If one of them were not present, we would have another card, possibly from another deck in its place. Which means more options for players and faster game time.

Necrotech_Master

that would be straight up removing cards from the deck then

theres 2 copies of the card initially, but only 1 is upgraded, so theres still 2 copies of the same card, just one is slightly better in the case of the hagraven

other cards it makes much more of a difference and honestly theres better ways to generate power than the hagraven 2 card combo

GuuMoonRyoung

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

that would be straight up removing cards from the deck then

theres 2 copies of the card initially, but only 1 is upgraded, so theres still 2 copies of the same card, just one is slightly better in the case of the hagraven

other cards it makes much more of a difference and honestly theres better ways to generate power than the hagraven 2 card combo

It is not about generating power, it is about a clean tavern with more options for players, I keep writing this and you keep ignoring this:

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

When we have both the upgraded and non upgraded cards, just like my example, they both come up in the tavern and take up 2 spots. If one of them were not present, we would have another card, possibly from another deck in its place. Which means more options for players and faster game time.

Personofsecrets

There should be a system where one can choose what morphs to bring to the game. I'm tired of having 4 clues in my inventory at all times.

Necrotech_Master

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

that would be straight up removing cards from the deck then

theres 2 copies of the card initially, but only 1 is upgraded, so theres still 2 copies of the same card, just one is slightly better in the case of the hagraven

other cards it makes much more of a difference and honestly theres better ways to generate power than the hagraven 2 card combo

It is not about generating power, it is about a clean tavern with more options for players, I keep writing this and you keep ignoring this:

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

When we have both the upgraded and non upgraded cards, just like my example, they both come up in the tavern and take up 2 spots. If one of them were not present, we would have another card, possibly from another deck in its place. Which means more options for players and faster game time.

the problem is thats still straight removing cards from the deck, theres always been 2 hagraven cards in the deck for example, when you get the upgrade 1 of them gets very slightly stronger

essentially removing an entire copy of the card is overall lowering the compared power level of the deck

you just randomly got the draw where both cards were appearing in the tavern, thats part of the game and something that can happen with literally any deck

GuuMoonRyoung

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

you just randomly got the draw where both cards were appearing in the tavern, thats part of the game and something that can happen with literally any deck

That is precisely my point, I used reach card as an example. My point is that this kind of thing happen, which just lowers the options for both players in the game and make the game time longer.

However, there are bigger problems in ToT it seems, I have been reading threads in this subsection and it confirms a lot of my suspicion. It seems to me ToT needs a complete rework.

Necrotech_Master

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

you just randomly got the draw where both cards were appearing in the tavern, thats part of the game and something that can happen with literally any deck

That is precisely my point, I used reach card as an example. My point is that this kind of thing happen, which just lowers the options for both players in the game and make the game time longer.

However, there are bigger problems in ToT it seems, I have been reading threads in this subsection and it confirms a lot of my suspicion. It seems to me ToT needs a complete rework.

i dont think it would be an issue if they added an extra card or 2 into the tavern, or auto refreshed the tavern if nobody bought any cards for 2 turns

i dont really feel it slowing the game down much, as i mostly play the NPCs, but i could see the issue with players where both are averse to buying or refreshing the tavern

DenverRalphy

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

you just randomly got the draw where both cards were appearing in the tavern, thats part of the game and something that can happen with literally any deck

That is precisely my point, I used reach card as an example. My point is that this kind of thing happen, which just lowers the options for both players in the game and make the game time longer.

However, there are bigger problems in ToT it seems, I have been reading threads in this subsection and it confirms a lot of my suspicion. It seems to me ToT needs a complete rework.

How so? If the card wasn't upgraded, then in the same scenario you'd still have two cards to choose from, only this time there is zero option for the better card. Upgrading one of the cards increases the options in that scenario.