West Weald was the fastest Chapter I lost interest in to date.

Ingenon

Ravensilver wrote: »

You're right, insofar as I counted The Reach/Arkthzand and Western Skyrim/Greymoor Caverns as double - but upon checking again I noticed that the quests for both are identical.

Nevertheless, counting the two main areas:
Western Skyrim plus Blackreach: Greymoor Caverns: 7 Main Quests, 23 Side Quests (also known as Points of Interest)
Blackreach: Arkthzand Cavern plus The Reach: 6 Main Quests, 17 Side Quests

So we end up with 13 Main Quests and 40 Side Quests. Which is still more than Golden Road, no?

Yes. Western Skyrim plus Blackreach has more main/side quests than Golden Road. Also for comparison, Q4 DLC quest counts and Necrom counts compared to Golden Road/West Weald.

According to UESP:
Golden Road/West Weald 5 main quests, 24 side quests, plus 3 epilogue quests
Reach 6 main quests, 15 side quests, plus 3 epilogue quests
Deadlands 6 main quests, 12 side quests, plus 3 epilogue quests
Galen 6 main quests, 11 side quests, plus 3 epilogue quests
Necrom (Telvanni Penisula and Apocrypha) 9 main quests (no epilogue quests), 24 side quests

Golden Road - Less main quests and less side quests than a DLC chapter. Similar main quests, more side quests than a Q4 DLC. Similar quest count to Necrom.

Lugaldu

CoronHR wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

What bothers me most is the extreme reduction in content for the same price. I have no problem paying 50 Euros for a new chapter, but then I want to experience something new for a while, not just for 1-2 weeks! The map of West Weald seems tiny when you can ride through everything in a few minutes and this time there is no other region/ Oblivion plain for the whole year (neither in the chapter nor as Q4 DLC)!

Regarding Scribing, I already knew that I wasn't really interested in it and I haven't set foot in the Schola since I finished the quest. But this quest was also just a rush through old areas, just as bad as the Psijic or quest line...

But that wasn't the end of the disappointments for this year. The big announcement for Q3 for housing is another extreme disappointment. As an extreme housing enthusiast, this doesn't bring me anything new on the PC, nothing new in terms of building and decorating, for me it's not something housing-related if people can now look at my houses.

So, all in all, the whole year so far has been one big disappointment. The only positive surprise was the free house.

hold on a sec ... what was the free house in west weald? the one in the inn? did i miss out on a free house???

No, I thought about Sword-Singer´s-Redoubt.

Necrotech_Master

SilverBride wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

...the inn room is free...

The inn room wasn't free for me. It didn't cost a lot but I had to pay for it.

it is free, if you have a character that can still do the house intro quest

but i agree that 3000g is basically nothing and usually do that option because its faster than the quest lol

ESO_player123

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

...the inn room is free...

The inn room wasn't free for me. It didn't cost a lot but I had to pay for it.

it is free, if you have a character that can still do the house intro quest

but i agree that 3000g is basically nothing and usually do that option because its faster than the quest lol

Well, I have a toon that still has not claimed a room from the quest. But the quest was bugged for me in West Weald, so it was just faster to pay the measly 3k and forget about it. By the way, it's not the first time this quest does not work for me. I've never been able to claim the Glenumbra room for free either. So, just ended up buying it too.

ghastley

The free rooms are apparently restricted to characters who have never entered a player house that you own. I have had the quest, been told the house is mine by Felande Demarie, and still had to pay the 3000.

SilverBride

I thought the free inn room only worked for the base game zones because that is where we pick up the quest.

ESO_player123

SilverBride wrote: »

I thought the free inn room only worked for the base game zones because that is where we pick up the quest.

Definitely not the case since my first free inn was in Elsweyr. That is where I started playing the game.

ESO_player123

ghastley wrote: »

The free rooms are apparently restricted to characters who have never entered a player house that you own. I have had the quest, been told the house is mine by Felande Demarie, and still had to pay the 3000.

Same for me, but I think it's just bugged. Like I said, I had issues with this quest before in Glenumbra on a different toon where the quest giver just disappeared on me.

SilverBride

I wasn't sure because I just picked up the room where I got the quest. Good to know if I make another alt.

CoronHR

yeah i had to pay for the inn room too, but it's 3k gold so that's like free. but the guy who posted the comment was referring to the alik'r redoubt house, which was free and huge and not bad

DigiAngel

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm a little discouraged. The teasers made me pre-order the Chapter easily enough, I was excited to explore more of Cyrodiil without having to deal with playing Oblivion, but I finished all of the casual play content within two weeks, I had issues with the zone aesthetic, and after those two to three weeks I've basically stopped logging in again. Started playing other games. That's not good, considering I spent the $40 for it. This has been the fastest I've lost interest in a chapter to date. I think I lasted a little longer with Necrom, and I don't even like Morrowind.

I'm sincerely hoping, if they decide next year's Chapter is Winterhold, or the Hammerfel Interior, that they make the zones more interesting for explorers. More caves, more nooks.and crannies, better wilds etc. Just, places to GO.

You're looking at one of the reasons I didn't buy it. Less content, more grind. Not spending $40 on that. I'll get it on sale at $10 like I did Necrom....that's probably all it will be worth to me.

Rkindaleft

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

It definitely feels like they simply upscaled a DLC and sold it as a chapter.

I don't like it one bit. West Weald and Colovia were my favourite parts in Oblivion. Such a disappointment to see the iconic landscape ruined.
Not even Skingrad feels the same. I wanted my Rosethirn Hall! 😡

So much this. It feels like they just slapped on the Scribing system with a couple of extra delves and bosses to a Q4 zone and called it a day.

I don’t think it would have bothered anyone if you weren’t paying the same price for less content.

Pelanora

BlueRaven wrote: »

It’s not that bad. Necrom was the one that almost made me quit.
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Yes that was very dull. I waited for it to be on eso plus and 'free' and was very glad i did. I skipped thru the dialogue super fast. I do really love the colours of apocrypha. But that's it.

Wrothgar, Elswyr..... summerset.... so good. What has happened.

Stafford197

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

It definitely feels like they simply upscaled a DLC and sold it as a chapter.

I don't like it one bit. West Weald and Colovia were my favourite parts in Oblivion. Such a disappointment to see the iconic landscape ruined.
Not even Skingrad feels the same. I wanted my Rosethirn Hall! 😡

The fact we couldn’t get a Rosethorn Hall was actually a legit disappointment.

I have a friend who plays tons of Skyrim and Oblivion consider trying ESO just to revisit areas from Oblivion…. only to find that it looks completely different. They were disappointed but their favorite home was Rosethorn Hall. I said I’d buy it for them since I have lots of gold, only to find out there was no home like that in this chapter. Immediately was a deal breaker

And it’s strange too because Western Skyrim did a good job when it came to releasing an old nostalgic home, aka Solitude’s Proudspire Manor. But then again, while I think West Weald is an interesting zone visually, it’s also been really bad at Oblivion nostalgia (besides mimicking 30FPS or less in menus that I had back on my old console…)

Lugaldu

Stafford197 wrote: »

And it’s strange too because Western Skyrim did a good job when it came to releasing an old nostalgic home, aka Solitude’s Proudspire Manor. But then again, while I think West Weald is an interesting zone visually, it’s also been really bad at Oblivion nostalgia (besides mimicking 30FPS or less in menus that I had back on my old console…)

West Weald and Skindgrad don't evoke any Oblivion nostalgia for me either and I'm disappointed because of that. The last time I felt nostalgic was when I first entered Blackreach in ESO.

Destai

I'm in the same boat. Skingrad and West Weald were my favorite locations In TESIV, and this chapter evoked none of that nostalgia. The whole zone just feels so thin, and the desire to explore is muted by all of the fake doors and assets that I can't explore. The public dungeons were probably the best content, but I'm not going to sit there and keep doing those for no reason.

The Year of the Bretons was the last content I truly enjoyed, and that was mostly because of the theme and beauty of the zone. There's just been this downward trend of content since Greymoor, that I'm not sure I'd be interested in another chapter. I'm completely indifferent to another Skyrim zone and Redguards don't really interest me, even though they are really cool.

scrappy1342

i've never felt that the price for new chapters was worth it when compared to paying the same price in other mmo's and getting so much more content. and really that price you pay in other games is for 2 years worth of content, so that makes what you get with eso even less. i did pre purchase high isle because i wanted the mount and also i knew i was going to enjoy the zone (although i was hoping for more pirates. it needed more pirates). every other chapter, i have waited to see what the event was going to reward. i bought summerset, greymoore and necrom because they gave away houses with those events. they always mark the chapters down to half price for the events and i figure half price is fair for what they usually give. blackwood didn't have anything i wanted for the event, so i waited for that one to go to eso+. if gold road doesn't give something good with its event, i will wait for that one to go to eso+ also. judging by what i'm reading here... i'm sort of hoping they don't give us anything good for the event >.>

LadyLethalla

Shrinkflation also hits game development...

karthrag_inak

Khajiit found the quests to be more than sufficient, particularly considering all the quests to unlock the 5 scribing doors. This one has done all 5 doors on 11 of his 19 Khajiit (the Argonian with the fluffy delusions is only on 3rd door). Then again, khajiit finished the zone story on the first day to get his l33t fractured but whole skin. Have not revisited those quest on alts yet.

That being said, the zone does feel really unpleasantly empty. Very few critters to swat, yes?

ragnarok6644b14_ESO

ESO releasing a chapter that looks like an old game:
"I am sick of them milking old nostalgia content, give us something new!"

ESO giving us something new:
"I miss my nostalgia content..."

(I realize it's not the same people but there is a "can't please everyone" vibe)

Stafford197

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

ESO releasing a chapter that looks like an old game:
"I am sick of them milking old nostalgia content, give us something new!"

ESO giving us something new:
"I miss my nostalgia content..."

(I realize it's not the same people but there is a "can't please everyone" vibe)

I’m just not seeing that being the case here.

Western Skyrim was really cool, everyone liked the nostalgic landscape and locations. Same for Vvardenfell. Who complained about nostalgia in those?

West Weald on the other hand, while the zone itself is pretty, did not remind me of Oblivion at any point. They even changed Spellcrafting to something totally different as if purposely trying not to invoke nostalgia lol.

Northwold

Stafford197 wrote: »

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

ESO releasing a chapter that looks like an old game:
"I am sick of them milking old nostalgia content, give us something new!"

ESO giving us something new:
"I miss my nostalgia content..."

(I realize it's not the same people but there is a "can't please everyone" vibe)

I’m just not seeing that being the case here.

Western Skyrim was really cool, everyone liked the nostalgic landscape and locations. Same for Vvardenfell. Who complained about nostalgia in those?

West Weald on the other hand, while the zone itself is pretty, did not remind me of Oblivion at any point. They even changed Spellcrafting to something totally different as if purposely trying not to invoke nostalgia lol.

It's really not accurate to say "everyone" liked the "nostalgic" Western Skyrim locations. A lot of people complained, unsurprisingly, because Skyrim has been done to death by the endless rereleasing of Skyrim itself and, since then, many people have asked for Nords not to be the feature race of future DLC.

I do have a position on this, in that I didn't buy Greymoor since I would rather have stuck pins in my eyes than return to Skyrim (I can't stand the Nords in the original game and the landscape becomes visually monotonous rapidly, and the Nords in ESO are even more primitive), but I definitely wasn't alone on here.

I think all of ESO's highest points have come when they've done regions we haven't seen before, because they were able to be creative. Elsweyr, Murkmire (yes I know that it polarises people), Summerset, Thieves Guild, Wrothgar. When they do nostalgia trips the game feels so suffocated by existing lore that the zones seem to suffer.

Trouble is, they're running out of map.

katanagirl1

Northwold wrote: »

Stafford197 wrote: »

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

ESO releasing a chapter that looks like an old game:
"I am sick of them milking old nostalgia content, give us something new!"

ESO giving us something new:
"I miss my nostalgia content..."

(I realize it's not the same people but there is a "can't please everyone" vibe)

I’m just not seeing that being the case here.

Western Skyrim was really cool, everyone liked the nostalgic landscape and locations. Same for Vvardenfell. Who complained about nostalgia in those?

West Weald on the other hand, while the zone itself is pretty, did not remind me of Oblivion at any point. They even changed Spellcrafting to something totally different as if purposely trying not to invoke nostalgia lol.

It's really not accurate to say "everyone" liked the "nostalgic" Western Skyrim locations. A lot of people complained, unsurprisingly, because Skyrim has been done to death by the endless rereleasing of Skyrim itself and, since then, many people have asked for Nords not to be the feature race of future DLC.

I do have a position on this, in that I didn't buy Greymoor since I would rather have stuck pins in my eyes than return to Skyrim (I can't stand the Nords in the original game and the landscape becomes visually monotonous rapidly, and the Nords in ESO are even more primitive), but I definitely wasn't alone on here.

I think all of ESO's highest points have come when they've done regions we haven't seen before, because they were able to be creative. Elsweyr, Murkmire (yes I know that it polarises people), Summerset, Thieves Guild, Wrothgar. When they do nostalgia trips the game feels so suffocated by existing lore that the zones seem to suffer.

Trouble is, they're running out of map.

You bring up an interesting point.

I like both new areas and ones we’ve seen before, but West Weald just doesn’t really match what I remember of the area in Oblivion. I could be mistaken though, it’s been a long time. I recall it being like Gold Coast, not many trees and gentle rolling grasslands. I was also unhappy that scribing took away a lot of what could have been featured in the zone.

Your point about races though, I feel the same every time a Bosmer dlc is brought up, I did the AD story on my first character, and by the time I hit Malabal Tor I was so sick of the wood elves and the Green Pact. There were 3 zones full of nothing but wood elves. So I guess the nostalgia factor would not be as good for me with new Bosmer areas, but I have liked all of the zones so far, more or less. I have to admit that the portrayal of Bosmer in West Weald is a little better so far I think. I haven’t finishing the main story yet, though.

New zones are probably safer to do because they are more of a blank slate to start.

vsrs_au

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I thought the free inn room only worked for the base game zones because that is where we pick up the quest.

Definitely not the case since my first free inn was in Elsweyr. That is where I started playing the game.

and my first inn room (free) was in Western Skyrim, because I first started playing when all new players started with the Greymoor chapter.

TaSheen

All the inn rooms are free - as long as you have alts, and they don't talk to Felande Delamaitre until they want to get the room in the latest content. I got the one in Skingrad free on an alt on my oldest account on PC NA.

MidniteOwl1913

While chasing ink across multiple zones I have noticed one of the things about West Weld that always seemed off to me.

It is somewhat empty, but there are other zones that don't have a lot of stuff in them that don't seem off. Finally I decided for me at least it's the lack of texture. Those gold/orange grasses are flat, and in a larger view the copy/paste nature of the visual really stands out. It's not just that. In other zones the grass fields have other types of plants and flowers to break up the monotone. The soil underneath just lacks detail. That most of the doors are shut and there aren't a lot of chests etc. doesn't help.

It feels flat in a way other zones don't. It's like the K-mart blue light special of zones. Cheap and not very satisfying.