Battle grouds with PUG is terrible experience sometimes

AnduinTryggva · July 27

I so often experience people rage quitting a group during a battleground when the group drops down to third place after the first minute or so. Considering that usually this gap is NOT filled up by another player it leaves this group basically in an impossible situation to win as long as the other two groups moderately pursue the objectives.

I really think we need something that does not leave the group with someone so unsocial in such a condition.

A few ideas could be: reduce respawn time significantly for the group that is in a minority situation and/or increase respawn times for the other groups. Give additional resistance buffs or other buffs to the minority group. Make it faster for the minority group to turn flags etc.

Sepultura_13 · July 27

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

I so often experience people rage quitting a group during a battleground when the group drops down to third place after the first minute or so. Considering that usually this gap is NOT filled up by another player it leaves this group basically in an impossible situation to win as long as the other two groups moderately pursue the objectives.

I really think we need something that does not leave the group with someone so unsocial in such a condition.

It might be seen as "rage quitting" or "being unsocial / antisocial" from your perspective, but consider this:

Player X queues into BGs. The objective is "Deathmatch," which is pretty straightforward. Player X is ready when the timer pops, and jumps into the fray with the other members of the team. Team immediately separates, leaving Player X with no opportunity to go after the opposing teams. Player X gets swarmed by the other teams regularly, then watches their own team rack up the kills while the resurrection timer takes an unreal amount of time to count down, since the so-called "teammates" refuse to rez Player X - they're too busy racking up the points. Player X says to themselves, "okay - the team is clearly doing fine without me, so I'll take the deserter penalty and try to find a group which is actually working together," and leaves.

That is neither a rage-quit or being antisocial - it's not wanting to be AP fodder for some guild/clique who is obviously on Discord and cancelling out the person who "doesn't belong."

BlackRaidho · July 27

PVP is terrible experience for most players. Some people plays BG only for daily reward / experience. If they lose they quit, even with a penatly (whatever, there is so much to do in this game : queue for random dungeon, ToT Daily, Zone quest...).

katanagirl1 · July 27

I am surprised there are not more complaints about the BG queue. It’s a step above fake roles in group dungeons.

Lots of times you get PvE players who just sit at the start and wait for their completion bonus. Other times you get the “divide and conquer” group that gets farmed for not sticking together.

If you queue up a few times you notice it is the same handful of players each time that dominate the matches. I don’t think there is any remedy for this, just make the best of it or not.

MidniteOwl1913 · July 27

Sepultura_13 wrote: »

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

I so often experience people rage quitting a group during a battleground when the group drops down to third place after the first minute or so. Considering that usually this gap is NOT filled up by another player it leaves this group basically in an impossible situation to win as long as the other two groups moderately pursue the objectives.

I really think we need something that does not leave the group with someone so unsocial in such a condition.

It might be seen as "rage quitting" or "being unsocial / antisocial" from your perspective, but consider this:

Player X queues into BGs. The objective is "Deathmatch," which is pretty straightforward. Player X is ready when the timer pops, and jumps into the fray with the other members of the team. Team immediately separates, leaving Player X with no opportunity to go after the opposing teams. Player X gets swarmed by the other teams regularly, then watches their own team rack up the kills while the resurrection timer takes an unreal amount of time to count down, since the so-called "teammates" refuse to rez Player X - they're too busy racking up the points. Player X says to themselves, "okay - the team is clearly doing fine without me, so I'll take the deserter penalty and try to find a group which is actually working together," and leaves.

That is neither a rage-quit or being antisocial - it's not wanting to be AP fodder for some guild/clique who is obviously on Discord and cancelling out the person who "doesn't belong."

Yes, also if the opposing teams have actual PVPers on them or worse yet is a pre-made practiced group, then the score often is winner, almost winner and zero. This is the worst of PUG. I've tried it a few times and won't go back. The last straw was a member on the opposing team posting in chat, "You know we are just farming you all for kills? Ha, ha". And yes I left. It wasn't rage, it was embarrassment.

spartaxoxo · July 27

The BG playerbase is too small to worry about fixing it tbh.

EdjeSwift · July 27

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

A few ideas could be: reduce respawn time significantly for the group that is in a minority situation and/or increase respawn times for the other groups. Give additional resistance buffs or other buffs to the minority group. Make it faster for the minority group to turn flags etc.

All these suggestions make for easily exploitable conditions.

Get a group of three and a throw away fourth who doesn't mind the leaver penalty, or maybe an alt account on the laptop and suddenly you have a three person steamroller on NOS.

RomanRex · July 28

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The BG playerbase is too small to worry about fixing it tbh.

agreed. there are way bigger issues that need to be fixed than this niche activity with very few active participants.

Araneae6537 · July 28

EdjeSwift wrote: »

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

A few ideas could be: reduce respawn time significantly for the group that is in a minority situation and/or increase respawn times for the other groups. Give additional resistance buffs or other buffs to the minority group. Make it faster for the minority group to turn flags etc.

All these suggestions make for easily exploitable conditions.

Get a group of three and a throw away fourth who doesn't mind the leaver penalty, or maybe an alt account on the laptop and suddenly you have a three person steamroller on NOS.

I think the suggestion was for solo queue only. I agree that it would be quite exploitable in group queue.

BlackRaidho · July 28

RomanRex wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The BG playerbase is too small to worry about fixing it tbh.

agreed. there are way bigger issues that need to be fixed than this niche activity with very few active participants.

Player base too small ne cause PvP is terrible in ESO.
A complete redesign is nécessaire but it will never happens.

AnduinTryggva · July 28

EdjeSwift wrote: »

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

A few ideas could be: reduce respawn time significantly for the group that is in a minority situation and/or increase respawn times for the other groups. Give additional resistance buffs or other buffs to the minority group. Make it faster for the minority group to turn flags etc.

All these suggestions make for easily exploitable conditions.

Get a group of three and a throw away fourth who doesn't mind the leaver penalty, or maybe an alt account on the laptop and suddenly you have a three person steamroller on NOS.

Can you explain? I may be wrong but I think being three is a sound disadvantage when fighting 2 groups of four. You can turn flags slower. You have lower group damage output and only three sources of damage to distribute on 4 to 8 enemy players. If one person dies it is 1/3 of group damage gone and 1/3 of single target incoming damage distraction compared to a group of four where this is only 1/4.

Some of my suggestions are to mitigate some parts of this disadvantage.

Of course a tightly and well cooperating group of three will always have good chances against disorganized groups of four. But in case you have all organized to a similar level how are you going to win that if you miss 25% of your force?