How many players can get in Cyro now?

darvaria

Seems like 120ish?

If so, the map needs to be reduced.

1. Please get rid of all towers at resources. You got rid of the doors once, now just eliminate the towers.
2. Get rid of WP, ***, & Camarla
3. Do we really need towns? Those could go too.

TBH, it's time to consider reducing down to 2 factions. Combine ADC. Easy. They play that way anyways.

SaffronCitrusflower

The pop cap is currently 60-80 /faction.

darvaria

The map is too big for 80 players. We used to have 200.

We don't need towns, towers at resources or Outposts.

Go back to the original map minus resource towers.

Duke_Falcon

From my in game research, the population for Cyrodill is 120 people, 40 per bar. I have a theory that from there it scales up based on demand, similar to the way Boss respawn timers work. The more people in the zone the faster the Imperial City bosses will spawn.

React

I'd guess between 40-60. Highly doubt it could be any higher than 60 based on the what I've seen the past couple months.

The map definitely is too large for the current population limits.

Duke_Falcon

You can test this. When a population locked campaign ends and a new one begins make sure you have the least AP in the first hour (just put one repair kit in somewhere and then go sit at the gate). That will put you in last place on the leader boards with less than 100 AP.

If your place on the leader boards is 133, that is the population for the first hour, including the people who came and went in that hour. So the actually population should be just slightly less, taking into account the people who have come and gone. I've tested this at least 8 times. The population for me on each test has come in low 130s, every time.

133 people divided by 3 is 44.33, so from here I logically deduce ZoS didn't start campaign populations at 133, because that's an weird number to start at. Also I must account for the people who are on the leader board in the first hour, but logged, so the number is less than 133 or 44.33 people per bar, its probably 120 and 40 people per bar and scales up on demand, to try and keep the teams somewhat even.

Imperial City World Boss timers speed up based on the number of people in the zone, so why wouldn't ZoS apply that same mechanic to Cyrodill populations? I'm guessing they do. As demand to enter Cyrodill increases they probably increase the population sizes with some limiting factor to try and keep the populations on each team balanced, and if they don't, they should. lol

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Are you sure imp city world bosses speed up? from what I remember its a fixed time which is halved during MYM / IC events. Maybe the speed up you saw is because of the event rather than the population?

Duke_Falcon

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Are you sure imp city world bosses speed up? from what I remember its a fixed time which is halved during MYM / IC events. Maybe the speed up you saw is because of the event rather than the population?

Could be, I was told it speeds up based on population, but maybe that's what they meant.

Joy_Division

Duke_Falcon wrote: »

You can test this. When a population locked campaign ends and a new one begins make sure you have the least AP in the first hour (just put one repair kit in somewhere and then go sit at the gate). That will put you in last place on the leader boards with less than 100 AP.

If your place on the leader boards is 133, that is the population for the first hour, including the people who came and went in that hour. So the actually population should be just slightly less, taking into account the people who have come and gone. I've tested this at least 8 times. The population for me on each test has come in low 130s, every time.

133 people divided by 3 is 44.33, so from here I logically deduce ZoS didn't start campaign populations at 133, because that's an weird number to start at. Also I must account for the people who are on the leader board in the first hour, but logged, so the number is less than 133 or 44.33 people per bar, its probably 120 and 40 people per bar and scales up on demand, to try and keep the teams somewhat even.

Imperial City World Boss timers speed up based on the number of people in the zone, so why wouldn't ZoS apply that same mechanic to Cyrodill populations? I'm guessing they do. As demand to enter Cyrodill increases they probably increase the population sizes with some limiting factor to try and keep the populations on each team balanced, and if they don't, they should. lol

So you do this at Midnight Eastern Time to 1:00? The time I often log out and West Coasters might be logging in? If the que was popped lock, a second account could keep track of the people logging off.

There's no way 120 people per faction are on at the same time.

CrazyKitty

Duke_Falcon wrote: »

From my in game research, the population for Cyrodill is 120 people, 40 per bar. I have a theory that from there it scales up based on demand, similar to the way Boss respawn timers work. The more people in the zone the faster the Imperial City bosses will spawn.

As others have stated, the pop cap is 60-80 players/faction now. That's 10% of what the original cap was, and ZOS still hasn't done what it takes to make cyrodiil work properly.

Necrotech_Master

the towns have literally always been in cyro since launch, it was maybe ~6 years ago they were turned into map objectives though and made capturable

Lumsdenml

Duke_Falcon wrote: »

From my in game research, the population for Cyrodill is 120 people, 40 per bar. I have a theory that from there it scales up based on demand, similar to the way Boss respawn timers work. The more people in the zone the faster the Imperial City bosses will spawn.

There is no way the pop cap is that low. I've seen at least 50 AD stacked on a resource last week....

darvaria

It's between 40 and 60 per faction. That's why it's time for a 25 v 25 or something. ESO could handle a 50-60 player event.

And no EP go to Black Reach. I'll stay in que and watch Netflix before I will go to BR. We took a group of 12 in BR before MYM and ran the map red. It's dead. And there is no way you will ever see equal bars there.

Jsmalls

Definitely not 40-60 each faction.

2 bars (which one bar is the minimum and can represent 1 player) were online on EP yesterday pretty late (EST) and it was realistically 30-40 players faction stacked on Hammer.

My best guess is population lock is ~100 players.

And Black Reach hits population lock very often going into the weekend. Weekdays 2-3 bars per faction is normal for prime time (wouldn't count this week since it's MYM fatigue).

Necrotech_Master

Jsmalls wrote: »

Definitely not 40-60 each faction.

2 bars (which one bar is the minimum and can represent 1 player) were online on EP yesterday pretty late (EST) and it was realistically 30-40 players faction stacked on Hammer.

My best guess is population lock is ~100 players.

And Black Reach hits population lock very often going into the weekend. Weekdays 2-3 bars per faction is normal for prime time (wouldn't count this week since it's MYM fatigue).

i would agree with this, probably best guess myself would be in the 90-120 range

reazea

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Definitely not 40-60 each faction.

2 bars (which one bar is the minimum and can represent 1 player) were online on EP yesterday pretty late (EST) and it was realistically 30-40 players faction stacked on Hammer.

My best guess is population lock is ~100 players.

And Black Reach hits population lock very often going into the weekend. Weekdays 2-3 bars per faction is normal for prime time (wouldn't count this week since it's MYM fatigue).

i would agree with this, probably best guess myself would be in the 90-120 range

It's 60-80 players/faction, if it's even that high.

Do you even PvP regularly?

Necrotech_Master

reazea wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Definitely not 40-60 each faction.

2 bars (which one bar is the minimum and can represent 1 player) were online on EP yesterday pretty late (EST) and it was realistically 30-40 players faction stacked on Hammer.

My best guess is population lock is ~100 players.

And Black Reach hits population lock very often going into the weekend. Weekdays 2-3 bars per faction is normal for prime time (wouldn't count this week since it's MYM fatigue).

i would agree with this, probably best guess myself would be in the 90-120 range

It's 60-80 players/faction, if it's even that high.

Do you even PvP regularly?

not every day no, but ive seen no proof that its 60-80

its just rampant speculation and guessing until zos tells us what the actual caps are

Jsmalls

I PvP every day.

Even when there is the minimum 1 bar (0 bars for controller) I've seen 20-25 of the same faction in one area. There is no way that a pop locked campaign of one faction is 60 people. 80 is more reasonable but I strongly believe is higher than this.

darvaria

It's time for transparency. I've done PVP in many games and it always tells you how many players. What? Do you not want ppl to see that it's 20/75/80 or some other configuration?

WE NEED TO KNOW these numbers, not these nebulous bar representations.

Stafford197

It’s probably 60-80 people per faction. We don’t actually know.

And they’ll also never tell us the real numbers because they are optimizing resources. It would only hurt their image if players had a confirmed reference for how bad things have gotten.

Necrotech_Master

Stafford197 wrote: »

It’s probably 60-80 people per faction. We don’t actually know.

And they’ll also never tell us the real numbers because they are optimizing resources. It would only hurt their image if players had a confirmed reference for how bad things have gotten.

well its pretty obvious that its not anywhere close to the 600/faction that it was originally (and is still referenced to be that in the official zos FAQ on cyrodiil)

even if it is 100/faction right now that is 1/6 the original population caps or about 17% of what it was originally

using 60 as a minimum and 120 for a maximum, the population cap currently is definitely somewhere between 10 and 20% of what it originally was

i personally think that the current pop caps are too low, regardless of the exact number, the period of time during the increased pop cap test was more reminiscent of "old cyro" and how the pop caps were closer to launch

JustLovely

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Definitely not 40-60 each faction.

2 bars (which one bar is the minimum and can represent 1 player) were online on EP yesterday pretty late (EST) and it was realistically 30-40 players faction stacked on Hammer.

My best guess is population lock is ~100 players.

And Black Reach hits population lock very often going into the weekend. Weekdays 2-3 bars per faction is normal for prime time (wouldn't count this week since it's MYM fatigue).

i would agree with this, probably best guess myself would be in the 90-120 range

It's 60-80 players/faction, if it's even that high.

Do you even PvP regularly?

not every day no, but ive seen no proof that its 60-80

its just rampant speculation and guessing until zos tells us what the actual caps are

It's not speculation. And we don't need ZOS to tell us what the caps are. We are perfectly capable of figuring out within a very close value of what the caps are. The cap is 60-80 players per faction. Those of us that PvP for hours every day can figure this stuff out very easily.

Stafford197

JustLovely wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Definitely not 40-60 each faction.

2 bars (which one bar is the minimum and can represent 1 player) were online on EP yesterday pretty late (EST) and it was realistically 30-40 players faction stacked on Hammer.

My best guess is population lock is ~100 players.

And Black Reach hits population lock very often going into the weekend. Weekdays 2-3 bars per faction is normal for prime time (wouldn't count this week since it's MYM fatigue).

i would agree with this, probably best guess myself would be in the 90-120 range

It's 60-80 players/faction, if it's even that high.

Do you even PvP regularly?

not every day no, but ive seen no proof that its 60-80

its just rampant speculation and guessing until zos tells us what the actual caps are

It's not speculation. And we don't need ZOS to tell us what the caps are. We are perfectly capable of figuring out within a very close value of what the caps are. The cap is 60-80 players per faction. Those of us that PvP for hours every day can figure this stuff out very easily.

^^^^

Necrotech_Master

JustLovely wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Definitely not 40-60 each faction.

2 bars (which one bar is the minimum and can represent 1 player) were online on EP yesterday pretty late (EST) and it was realistically 30-40 players faction stacked on Hammer.

My best guess is population lock is ~100 players.

And Black Reach hits population lock very often going into the weekend. Weekdays 2-3 bars per faction is normal for prime time (wouldn't count this week since it's MYM fatigue).

i would agree with this, probably best guess myself would be in the 90-120 range

It's 60-80 players/faction, if it's even that high.

Do you even PvP regularly?

not every day no, but ive seen no proof that its 60-80

its just rampant speculation and guessing until zos tells us what the actual caps are

It's not speculation. And we don't need ZOS to tell us what the caps are. We are perfectly capable of figuring out within a very close value of what the caps are. The cap is 60-80 players per faction. Those of us that PvP for hours every day can figure this stuff out very easily.

it is speculation until zos says something, until something official is stated, the 60-80 number is "your best guess" not fact

this debate about the "exact" population cap is pointless, because whatever the current limitation is, its too low

Bammlschwamml

Can someone please just get 100+ guildmates to try enter an empty Cyrodiil campaign at the same time? And then tell us how many could get in?

I can't do it, because my guilds on PS EU are all empty and dead and most of my friends left ESO long ago

Stafford197

Bammlschwamml wrote: »

Can someone please just get 100+ guildmates to try enter an empty Cyrodiil campaign at the same time? And then tell us how many could get in?

I can't do it, because my guilds on PS EU are all empty and dead and most of my friends left ESO long ago

Gathering 100+ players in 2024 that is not possible. Only content creators can hope to do that and even then most of the creators left!

In the past I used to be able to gather 100+ easily. I even gathered 50 players together on one occasion at 4:00AM on PS NA back in 2021, to come fight a Guard in Craglorn.

Game does not have the same crowd it used to. And a lot of people just log for dailies and then log off.

Lumsdenml

Stafford197 wrote: »

Bammlschwamml wrote: »

Can someone please just get 100+ guildmates to try enter an empty Cyrodiil campaign at the same time? And then tell us how many could get in?

I can't do it, because my guilds on PS EU are all empty and dead and most of my friends left ESO long ago

Gathering 100+ players in 2024 that is not possible. Only content creators can hope to do that and even then most of the creators left!

In the past I used to be able to gather 100+ easily. I even gathered 50 players together on one occasion at 4:00AM on PS NA back in 2021, to come fight a Guard in Craglorn.

Game does not have the same crowd it used to. And a lot of people just log for dailies and then log off.

My guild had almost 3 full groups running last month and know of at least 2 other groups of probably 10 each and our population was 2 bars.

Blackrim

I firmly believe they should raise the cap because there are ques of 40-50 around prime time for Greyhost.

MISTFORMBZZZ

i would say like 60 per faction max

SkaraMinoc

It's difficult to tell because players start culling (disappearing) in large fights past 50m or so. There is major pop-in during tri-faction sieges and for a good reason. Someone said their addon logged 63 AD in a single keep siege about 3 months ago. So we know it's at least 60+ and probably more like 80-100.

Just_Attivi

Largest single alliance count i have seen was a teammates addon claiming 74 DC (not including those in stealth) at BRK during a scroll battle. that said, the rest of the map was dead in this time, but being on AD, i cant tell you how many DC were afk in keeps or what not. PC NA GH