It is too easy to accidentally buy the shoulder coffers when grabbing pledge quests

syberfut · July 13

I lost count the many times I wasted the 5 (or more) keys because I was in a rush to pick up the pledge quests. With people waiting on you and you spamming the conversations to pick up the quests, it is too easy to grab the quest and immediately open the coffer store and purchase something that you can't sell back. At the very least, a simple (hopefully) change, would be to perhaps end the NPC interaction after picking up the quest? Since there is a decent delay between pressing the interact button to actually starting a conversion is long enough to realize one should stop spamming the interact key.

Also, don't get me started on the whole key shenanigans and wasting 250 keys on trying to get that new Blind Shoulder style page.. shenanigans, I tell you! >.<

Ishtarknows · July 13

It's not something I've ever come close to, so I'm a bit confused. Maybe not mash the button too many times?

syberfut · July 13

It's a bit of a mess of lag and rushing to get the quests. When you get lag spikes, you tend to mash the button because otherwise you play a game of whack a maybe-mole. Eventually, it is easier to just mash. The issues comes when you don't get lag, the irony, you run into the store opening and a coffer or two being purchased.

N00BxV1 · July 13

This has happened to me many times while playing on PC with a controller and using the Gamepad UI.

I don't have this problem when getting pledges because I use an addon that automatically accepts the quests. But sometimes when just trying to get into the npc's inventory I might button mash, or get hit with some lag, and the next thing I know I just accidentally bought/sold/deposited something that I wasn't trying to do. It's a good thing there's a "Buy Back" tab in vendors, but unfortunately there isn't a "Sell Back" tab...

I really get tired of having to choose the dialog options when using the store/banker/etc., and I wish we could just skip the dialog and get right into their inventory, because the dialog options is just a waste of time IMO.

Also a confirmation to buy the costly style page that's located conveniently at the top of the pledge vendors would be a nice thing to have, to prevent accidental purchase when using the Gamepad UI.

EF321 · July 13

It takes fixed number of presses to get pledge, act a little bit more intelligently?

RexyCat · July 13

syberfut wrote: »

I lost count the many times I wasted the 5 (or more) keys because I was in a rush to pick up the pledge quests. With people waiting on you and you spamming the conversations to pick up the quests, it is too easy to grab the quest and immediately open the coffer store and purchase something that you can't sell back. At the very least, a simple (hopefully) change, would be to perhaps end the NPC interaction after picking up the quest? Since there is a decent delay between pressing the interact button to actually starting a conversion is long enough to realize one should stop spamming the interact key.

Also, don't get me started on the whole key shenanigans and wasting 250 keys on trying to get that new Blind Shoulder style page.. shenanigans, I tell you! >.<

If you are on PC then make use of NTak Dialog as this add on make it possible to assign key for dialogue options and other feature that might help you to pick correct line for interaction with NPC.

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info2290-NTakDialog.html

There are also several add on that automatically will pick up quest for Pledge and deliver quest including taking reward when you have finished Pledge. Then there are add on that in general will provide option for auto repeat (start and finish quest) for daily quest starter including Pledge NPC interaction if you want to use that instead.

From that link to NTak Dialog you should be able to find more add on that might help you with Pledge and to manage Undaunted Keys (or avoid to make use of them by accident). There is search field on that page and there is grouped categories which should help you to find what you are looking for.

So all in all you shouldn't have an issue to fast pick up Daily Pledge quest from NPC (as long as there is no larger change on how game work; game patches or change in API might cause issues might need authors of add on to make changes in how add on work, if it is possible).

With NTak Dialog you also have better control for which option in dialogue you pick as you don' t need to move mouse cursor to exact position on screen to pick what you want to do. I make use of number keys as that are already assigned for my use of weapons, but you can pick what ever key bind you find is better for your set up and doesn't add to the total limit of key bind that is 100 right now. There are add on that can get past that, but then it is locally stored key binds.

Look in Controls>Add On section for key bind that are related to Add on.

Dragonnord · July 13

What? Really? You smash the buttons blindly and blame ZOS? Wow!

syberfut · July 13

To the trolls, I hope you don't have to rush to do anything and make mistakes.

If you do, let us know so the rest of us can troll too hahaha!

@RexyCat, thank you for the suggestion of using addons. I had an addon that would do that, but after Gold Road, it would either cause my client to crash or I would have to fight the addon so I can actually get to the quest. That was a bizarre behavior change, but it got super painful and I just deleted it. I myself have over 160 addons running, and amazingly well I might add. I agree that minor changes to behaviors in the game/UI could have far reaching changes. Sigh, yeah I suppose the only recourse is another addon. Thank you for the suggestion, I'll go check it out.

RexyCat · July 13

syberfut wrote: »

To the trolls, I hope you don't have to rush to do anything and make mistakes. If you do, let us know so the rest of us can troll too hahaha!

@RexyCat, thank you for the suggestion of using addons. I had an addon that would do that, but after Gold Road, it would either cause my client to crash or I would have to fight the addon so I can actually get to the quest. That was a bizarre behavior change, but it got super painful and I just deleted it. I myself have over 160 addons running, and amazingly well I might add. I agree that minor changes to behaviors in the game/UI could have far reaching changes. Sigh, yeah I suppose the only recourse is another addon. Thank you for the suggestion, I'll go check it out.

After I wrote that message in this thread I did find a "new" add on which also offer a setting that you can enable to pick up Daily and even show 30 day list of what Pledges that are to come up.

It should also have been updated to Gold Road according to add on page, so it should work with what you want to do: pick up auto pick up Pledge and finish it with reward when you return to NPC.

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1190-WPamAWhatPledgesatmyAlts.html

In case you have issues that isn't working, then try to figure out which add on that offer the same feature and disable in settings for that add on that feature (auto Pick up of Pledge or any quest) as it might be that code from add on that is doing the same thing can be in conflict when they try to use the same feature.

Votan's add on list in combination with Addon Selector (add on to select and create packages of add on) make it more easy to control and find out which add on that might be in conflict.

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info2094-VotansAddonList.html

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1161-AddonSelectorSaveAddOnprofilespacks.html

For adding more key bind then 100 limitation:

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1174-VotansKeybinder.html

StarOfElyon · July 13

syberfut wrote: »

I lost count the many times I wasted the 5 (or more) keys because I was in a rush to pick up the pledge quests.

I have never done this. I'm sorry that keeps happening to you but that's just carelessness.

N00BxV1 · July 13

I have experienced all kinds of issues over the years with this game while playing with a controller and using the Gamepad UI. And it's not uncommon to experience lag/desync randomly or on a regular basis in this game. So it's not always user error, lack of intelligence, carelessness, or whatever else some are saying...

- Sometimes I will press a button just once, but then that action fires twice.

- Sometimes I will press a button but nothing happens, and then a second or two later that action fires. When this happens it's easy to think that the input just didn't go through, so you press the button again, and then that action fires twice.

I guess you just never know what something is like until it has happened to you...

Hapexamendios · July 13

"I was in a rush.."

That pretty much says it there.

Yudo · July 13

E-weaving is all about timing.

Northwold · July 13

I don't play the game with others so I don't end up in a situation of "oh my God I need to pick up quests in the next five seconds", but I do find the placement of some regularly-used aspects of the game rather silly and, seemingly, based purely around the desire to keep towns looking busy.

There is surely a better way to deliver undaunted pledges than to force players to run all the way down the hill in Wayrest and back again, for example. To return the quests and pick up the rewards, perhaps, but purely to pick them up it feels daft and, indeed, it *looks* daft to other players. High-frequency, high-volume quest givers ought surely to be right next to wayshrines, at a minimum.

MasterSpatula · July 13

I don't... I... ummm... What?

Buddy, no one is trolling you. This is 100% a you thing.

SilverBride · July 13

Pick up the quests first then look for a group to run them with, then there will be no reason to rush.

valenwood_vegan · July 13

I... recommend slowing down a little bit instead of button mashing... as I don't think they are likely to redesign the UI based on such behavior.

And some of the shoulder coffers are going to be curated in u43, which will be welcome. See the PTS patch notes:

Item Set Curation Additions

To assist with various item chases throughout Tamriel, the following coffers will now offer curation.As with all curation, the coffers will only award items you have not yet collected. Once you have collected all pieces, curation will end and the coffers will once again reward random pieces.

Undaunted Monster Set Shoulder Coffers
This affects only the specific dungeon coffers offered by Maj al-Ragath, Glirion the Redbeard, and Urgarlag Chief-Bane. The mystery coffers are not affected by curation.
These coffers will be for sale for 8 undaunted keys.

[EDIT: sorry OP, you said shoulder style page, I misread that as you were trying to get the shoulders themselves. Yeah, I have terrible luck with the style pages too. $:\$ But at least the curation may cut down on the number of keys being spent collecting the shoulders, leaving more available to roll for a page I guess.].

Araneae6537 · July 13

I’ve rushed to pick up quests before, like maybe we get a fourth person that requires someone changing roles and I need to grab quests on the character I’ve switched to, not that I wouldn’t be given time but I try to be considerate!

Even so, I don’t see how it would be possible to accidentally spend keys — it would require opening the store portion, selecting a box to buy, purchase, confirm purchase. Maybe a lag issue if you spam E or whatever is accept/next before the server can catch up?

syberfut · July 14

Haha yeah I agree it is a bit of frustration of fighting with lag and a UI that isn't designed around my cheeseburger internet. Lag spikes do weird things with the UI. Turning in daily crafting writs, often the initial interaction with the turn-in will become greyed out and unresponsive unless I move away and return to the turn-in.

Oh yeah, and apparently the accidental purchase of the key coffers happens with the above said lag spike, then extraneous E-pressing opening the store with the cursor in the area of the coffers. That extra one or two E-presses are met with the typical "Cha-ching" sound and a few colorful words haha.

Okay, where's that addon..

SkaraMinoc · July 14

Yeah I've done this but only once. Anyone with a fast tempo is susceptible to this.

SkaraMinoc · July 14

EF321 wrote: »

It takes fixed number of presses to get pledge, act a little bit more intelligently?

Your response to bad UI design is to "act more intelligently"?

EF321 · July 14

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

It takes fixed number of presses to get pledge, act a little bit more intelligently?

Your response to bad UI design is to "act more intelligently"?

Response to mindlessly mashing buttons.

Kappachi · July 14

Has never happened to me even once? I know exactly how many button presses I need to accept pledges, and never accidentally go to the dialog to open the store? Maybe accept the quests before joining groups for pledges and take it slower if you have a tendency to mash?

syberfut · July 14

Yeah, I get that. The lag that I get, say you need 3 E-key presses to accept the quest, the conversation will get stuck in middle and sit there like a bump on the log. You'd end up having to button mash one or two more times to get what you need done. So after enough of that kind of shenanigans, you get frustrated and button mash.

Regardless, I got the addon to do it now. Burns my eyebrows haha