No curated Rewards for the Worthy?

adjutant

Title.
Mike Finnigan explicitly mentioned "PvP bags" during U43 reveal on Twitch.
Now PTR U43 only adds curated monster shoulders.
What gives?

tuxon

true and real and also 8 keyes for monster set really???

Necrotech_Master

tuxon wrote: »

true and real and also 8 keyes for monster set really???

for curated shoulder boxes, its 100% worth that cost

the 5 key uncurated shoulder boxes are probably not worth the cost at all anymore, either get 1 key boxes, or the 8 key boxes to fill in holes

Necrotech_Master

adjutant wrote: »

Title.
Mike Finnigan explicitly mentioned "PvP bags" during U43 reveal on Twitch.
Now PTR U43 only adds curated monster shoulders.
What gives?

i would agree with this, i thought there was going to be more curation in cyro than just the monster shoulders

zaria

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

tuxon wrote: »

true and real and also 8 keyes for monster set really???

for curated shoulder boxes, its 100% worth that cost

the 5 key uncurated shoulder boxes are probably not worth the cost at all anymore, either get 1 key boxes, or the 8 key boxes to fill in holes

I agree, exceptions is for new dungeons you have any shoulders. Here 2-3 5 keys then go 8 makes sense.

For Cyrodil all gear here is tradeable so curation is not as critical, at least not for fat cats.

Hasenpfote

WB weapons are tradeable too and are curated.
In PvP you have something like 20 sets from the same source and if you very unlucky, you get 3x the belt from the same set.
For this reason, some weapons are not sold under 1M gold.

tuxon

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

tuxon wrote: »

true and real and also 8 keyes for monster set really???

for curated shoulder boxes, its 100% worth that cost

the 5 key uncurated shoulder boxes are probably not worth the cost at all anymore, either get 1 key boxes, or the 8 key boxes to fill in holes

why having yet again another box type??? why not making x5 keyes one curated??? and leave x1 key as random...confusing for new players and just greedy from the devs!!!

Finedaible

Barely any QoL for a QoL update.

What is the point of finally curating monster shoulder coffers but not Rewards for the Worthy? All this stuff should have been curated 2 or more years ago. Why is this so difficult?

Necrotech_Master

zaria wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

tuxon wrote: »

true and real and also 8 keyes for monster set really???

for curated shoulder boxes, its 100% worth that cost

the 5 key uncurated shoulder boxes are probably not worth the cost at all anymore, either get 1 key boxes, or the 8 key boxes to fill in holes

I agree, exceptions is for new dungeons you have any shoulders. Here 2-3 5 keys then go 8 makes sense.

For Cyrodil all gear here is tradeable so curation is not as critical, at least not for fat cats.

if you got all 6 monster shoulders with 8 key curates boxes, your guaranteed to get all of the shoulders in 6 boxes, or 48 keys

that means the "break even" point for 5 key uncurated boxes to be more valuable is if they gave you all the drops in less than 10 boxes

or in other ways of saying, a maximum of 4 duplicates, which unless your really lucky isnt likely to happen

even just getting 3 boxes, theres still no guarantee you wont have bad luck and get all 3 of the same monster shoulder, which means 10 of those 15 keys spent were now wasted

the absolutely most guaranteed way to save keys would be 1 5 key box (when you know nothing as your guaranteed something new), and then 5 8 key boxes to finish it off, this would be 45 keys spent to fully unlock all 6 monster shoulders and also guarantee 0 dupes

i wont pay any more than like 10k gold for gear, and far more cyro gear sells for higher than that because its uncurated from enormous drop pools, or expensive (ap wise) boxes for single sets

virtus753

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

tuxon wrote: »

true and real and also 8 keyes for monster set really???

for curated shoulder boxes, its 100% worth that cost

the 5 key uncurated shoulder boxes are probably not worth the cost at all anymore, either get 1 key boxes, or the 8 key boxes to fill in holes

I agree, exceptions is for new dungeons you have any shoulders. Here 2-3 5 keys then go 8 makes sense.

For Cyrodil all gear here is tradeable so curation is not as critical, at least not for fat cats.

if you got all 6 monster shoulders with 8 key curates boxes, your guaranteed to get all of the shoulders in 6 boxes, or 48 keys

that means the "break even" point for 5 key uncurated boxes to be more valuable is if they gave you all the drops in less than 10 boxes

or in other ways of saying, a maximum of 4 duplicates, which unless your really lucky isnt likely to happen

even just getting 3 boxes, theres still no guarantee you wont have bad luck and get all 3 of the same monster shoulder, which means 10 of those 15 keys spent were now wasted

the absolutely most guaranteed way to save keys would be 1 5 key box (when you know nothing as your guaranteed something new), and then 5 8 key boxes to finish it off, this would be 45 keys spent to fully unlock all 6 monster shoulders and also guarantee 0 dupes

i wont pay any more than like 10k gold for gear, and far more cyro gear sells for higher than that because its uncurated from enormous drop pools, or expensive (ap wise) boxes for single sets

The 5 key coffers won't exist any longer.

Necrotech_Master

virtus753 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

tuxon wrote: »

true and real and also 8 keyes for monster set really???

for curated shoulder boxes, its 100% worth that cost

the 5 key uncurated shoulder boxes are probably not worth the cost at all anymore, either get 1 key boxes, or the 8 key boxes to fill in holes

I agree, exceptions is for new dungeons you have any shoulders. Here 2-3 5 keys then go 8 makes sense.

For Cyrodil all gear here is tradeable so curation is not as critical, at least not for fat cats.

if you got all 6 monster shoulders with 8 key curates boxes, your guaranteed to get all of the shoulders in 6 boxes, or 48 keys

that means the "break even" point for 5 key uncurated boxes to be more valuable is if they gave you all the drops in less than 10 boxes

or in other ways of saying, a maximum of 4 duplicates, which unless your really lucky isnt likely to happen

even just getting 3 boxes, theres still no guarantee you wont have bad luck and get all 3 of the same monster shoulder, which means 10 of those 15 keys spent were now wasted

the absolutely most guaranteed way to save keys would be 1 5 key box (when you know nothing as your guaranteed something new), and then 5 8 key boxes to finish it off, this would be 45 keys spent to fully unlock all 6 monster shoulders and also guarantee 0 dupes

i wont pay any more than like 10k gold for gear, and far more cyro gear sells for higher than that because its uncurated from enormous drop pools, or expensive (ap wise) boxes for single sets

The 5 key coffers won't exist any longer.

thats good to know lol

personally im fine with only having the 8 key boxes, and i feel the cost is justified for them being curated too

virtus753

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

tuxon wrote: »

true and real and also 8 keyes for monster set really???

for curated shoulder boxes, its 100% worth that cost

the 5 key uncurated shoulder boxes are probably not worth the cost at all anymore, either get 1 key boxes, or the 8 key boxes to fill in holes

I agree, exceptions is for new dungeons you have any shoulders. Here 2-3 5 keys then go 8 makes sense.

For Cyrodil all gear here is tradeable so curation is not as critical, at least not for fat cats.

if you got all 6 monster shoulders with 8 key curates boxes, your guaranteed to get all of the shoulders in 6 boxes, or 48 keys

that means the "break even" point for 5 key uncurated boxes to be more valuable is if they gave you all the drops in less than 10 boxes

or in other ways of saying, a maximum of 4 duplicates, which unless your really lucky isnt likely to happen

even just getting 3 boxes, theres still no guarantee you wont have bad luck and get all 3 of the same monster shoulder, which means 10 of those 15 keys spent were now wasted

the absolutely most guaranteed way to save keys would be 1 5 key box (when you know nothing as your guaranteed something new), and then 5 8 key boxes to finish it off, this would be 45 keys spent to fully unlock all 6 monster shoulders and also guarantee 0 dupes

i wont pay any more than like 10k gold for gear, and far more cyro gear sells for higher than that because its uncurated from enormous drop pools, or expensive (ap wise) boxes for single sets

The 5 key coffers won't exist any longer.

thats good to know lol

personally im fine with only having the 8 key boxes, and i feel the cost is justified for them being curated too

Me too! But thank you for inspiring me to check, since I wasn't 100% sure if the 5-keys would stick around.

adjutant

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i wont pay any more than like 10k gold for gear, and far more cyro gear sells for higher than that because its uncurated from enormous drop pools, or expensive (ap wise) boxes for single sets

While I agree AP boxes suck (rolled 300k worth of Alessian Order just the other day), making them curated would further ruin already sad AP to gold cash-out model.

But 10 year old sets from uncurated PvP reward boxes still costing 50k+/piece at times is crazy.

Tommy_The_Gun

What about Purple bags in Cyro or IC that you can buy for AP or Telvar ? The ones you can buy for example in Bruma or the ones in Cyro home base with sets like Vicious Death for example ? Are those curated too ? They mentioned on the stream that all current Purple quality bags will be controverted to curated ones, but PTS patch notes only mention a handful of those being curated.

Minnesinger

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

What about Purple bags in Cyro or IC that you can buy for AP or Telvar ? The ones you can buy for example in Bruma or the ones in Cyro home base with sets like Vicious Death for example ? Are those curated too ? They mentioned on the stream that all current Purple quality bags will be controverted to curated ones, but PTS patch notes only mention a handful of those being curated.

Hypothetically speaking that would open the door for infinite gold mine. Take in example the Deadly dagger that is priced from 200k to 800k currently on NA PC. One could just be getting that item that has value if all other pieces are collected. Seeling these items do not bind them thus making them uncollected.

Necrotech_Master

adjutant wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i wont pay any more than like 10k gold for gear, and far more cyro gear sells for higher than that because its uncurated from enormous drop pools, or expensive (ap wise) boxes for single sets

While I agree AP boxes suck (rolled 300k worth of Alessian Order just the other day), making them curated would further ruin already sad AP to gold cash-out model.

But 10 year old sets from uncurated PvP reward boxes still costing 50k+/piece at times is crazy.

they wouldnt have to make them uncurated if they added associated drops to the zone

right now the only curated sources of drops in cyro as a zone are jewelry (from dolmens), and belts/boots from the cyro delve bosses

there are no WB to cover weapons/head/chest/leg drops and no public dungeons to cover shoulder/glove/weapons

and technically speaking, once you finished your collection you would go back to the way it is now, with random drops even if they did just curate the boxes

people will still buy them due to the large quantity of players that have an aversion to even stepping foot in a pvp zone

there are also far more reliable sources of AP->gold conversion that dont rely on gambling for specific items from boxes, such as the alliance potions (this would be even bigger if they do add tripots to the list)

Tommy_The_Gun

Minnesinger wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

What about Purple bags in Cyro or IC that you can buy for AP or Telvar ? The ones you can buy for example in Bruma or the ones in Cyro home base with sets like Vicious Death for example ? Are those curated too ? They mentioned on the stream that all current Purple quality bags will be controverted to curated ones, but PTS patch notes only mention a handful of those being curated.

Hypothetically speaking that would open the door for infinite gold mine. Take in example the Deadly dagger that is priced from 200k to 800k currently on NA PC. One could just be getting that item that has value if all other pieces are collected. Seeling these items do not bind them thus making them uncollected.

Not quite. I think it is the opposite.

Players would be able to get the dagger quite easy, as drops would be curated. So every one would be guaranteed to get it. Then, once you have it (and every item set in your collection), just use 25 transmute stone to re-craft it with any trait you want. So that means that value of those items would drop to something like 5K or 10K max, as no one would be crazy enough to spend more as they would already have it.

LunaFlora

i thought (and hoped) curated PvP bags would at least include the bags with sets like Deadly Strike and Powerful Assault.

shoulder bags are useful too though personally i hardly ever use monster shoulders from Cyrodiil and imperial city

PeacefulAnarchy

Minnesinger wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

What about Purple bags in Cyro or IC that you can buy for AP or Telvar ? The ones you can buy for example in Bruma or the ones in Cyro home base with sets like Vicious Death for example ? Are those curated too ? They mentioned on the stream that all current Purple quality bags will be controverted to curated ones, but PTS patch notes only mention a handful of those being curated.

Hypothetically speaking that would open the door for infinite gold mine. Take in example the Deadly dagger that is priced from 200k to 800k currently on NA PC. One could just be getting that item that has value if all other pieces are collected. Seeling these items do not bind them thus making them uncollected.

The result would be a price drop. Not to nothing, but probably similar to what overland equivalents like biarheart go for.

katanagirl1

It was great they added some of the other Cyrodiil gear to the Bounty Board rewards but even with the meager amount of gear I have collected there, I still get a lot of duplicates.

It would be awesome if those were curated.
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DreadKnight

could we at least have curated gear dropping from skamps in the sewers? and perhaps the cyrodiil town dailies? or cyro delve bosses?

LatentBuzzard

adjutant wrote: »

Title.
Mike Finnigan explicitly mentioned "PvP bags" during U43 reveal on Twitch.
Now PTR U43 only adds curated monster shoulders.
What gives?

They need to be able to drag out the low effort QoL updates for as long as possible so that each year they have something to shout about when they could have all been dealt with from day one.

joergino

LatentBuzzard wrote: »

adjutant wrote: »

Title.
Mike Finnigan explicitly mentioned "PvP bags" during U43 reveal on Twitch.
Now PTR U43 only adds curated monster shoulders.
What gives?

They need to be able to drag out the low effort QoL updates for as long as possible so that each year they have something to shout about when they could have all been dealt with from day one.

I was about to write the same thing. QoL updates are guaranteed this way until the day the servers are shut down.

Necrotech_Master

DreadKnight wrote: »

could we at least have curated gear dropping from skamps in the sewers? and perhaps the cyrodiil town dailies? or cyro delve bosses?

cyro delve bosses are already curated, but they are treated as actual delve bosses, which only drop 2 items: belt and boot

the cyro dolmens are also curated, but they only drop jewelry

that leaves the other 5 armor pieces and all weapons, uncurated for pretty much all cyro sets