Tarnished meta?

fluffybunny · July 9

Just wondering, what are people pairing it with? I’ve seen balorgh’s for the monster set and either ddf or markyn, but are people slotting rallying or wretched on the back bar or something else? I’ve seen Anthelmir mentioned but not sure which to use

fred4 · July 10

I assume you're a gankblade? I don't really play those kind of builds, but I've been idly wondering how they are done. One thing's for sure: I'm getting hit with Tarnished all the time, not so much with Anthelmir. I think Balorgh still rules, because of the pen and having to get the weapon/spell damage up for a decent proc. If you want to be an outright ganker, I think you have to consciously build ultimate for Balorgh. This is arguably among the reasons why gankers thrive in IC, cause you got mobs to grind there.

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade. You become a more balanced build instead, which is completely fair, especially if you're not into the vampire / Simmering Frenzy / low health / high ultimate playstyle of an outright ganker. That only leaves the question whether Tarnished is the right set to go along with that. On a low weapon/spell damage / low pen build, it's not that strong of a proc.

I will only say that I like neither Rallying nor Wretched on my nightblade personally, albeit other people do. For me the issue is that I cloak a lot on the back bar, then switch and will stay on the front bar for attack. That means during my initial strike, Rallying Cry will not be active. To activate it in advance, I would have to use a heal, but most heals uncloak you, so that doesn't suit my playstyle. Wretched Vitality also has issues. It only activates in combat and, when you cloak a lot, you are often out of combat. In essence both sets, as back bar sets, only activate if you stay in combat long enough that you are swapping back and forth between bars. That arguably makes you a dueller or brawler. With my high cloak uptime playstyle, on the other hand, these sets have low uptime. They typically leave me exposed during the initial gank phase of fights, and everyone likes to jump on the suddenly visible nightblade immediately. I personally use Wyrd Tree on the back bar, the idea being to purge Ele Sus and all of it's secondary effects when I cloak or shade. Also sorc curses, and so on. For protection I use the Esoteric Greaves, but I'm a magblade with an all round utility-focused playstyle, and not a strong ganker. The greaves really only work on magicka characters and you still also need stamina sustain, just as if you were planning to block or dodge roll a lot.

As to the last set for a true ganker, I can only guess. The kind of options that spring to mind include Shattered Fate, Stygian (needs double barring and not sure it's good), another proc like Flame Blossom, or Titanborn when using Seething Fury. Like you, though, I feel I must be missing something. I've never pulled the insane numbers that some people have pulled against me. Then again I'm rarely super tanky and almost never a vampire myself. That's probably it. You need to stack all that stuff to become one of those nightblades that people complain about. Some use Arterial Burst as their spammable for good measure, another low-health-boosted skill.

MEBengalsFan2001 · July 11

I heard tarnish with vicious death or with any other proc set that can hit at the same time as tarnish

Veinblood1965 · July 11

I play a one bar bow blade and use tarnished and VD at the same time when in a group. I do not run a monster set specifically so Tarn and VD are BOTH active at the same time ALL the time. Balorgs only procs after you use an ultimate. The day I switched to this combo and ditched the monster set my effectiveness was VERY noticeable.

When not in a group and more 1v1 type battles like in IC for example I switch out the VD to Oldfathers since it keys off of the number of the enemies buffs and adds more Weapon and Spell Damage and that then adds to my Tarnished damage. Many people are running one bar builds with Oakensoul which really kicks up the Oldfather's procs.

Both are very nasty combos. Plus the VD and tarnished both proc when using siege weapons. When I hit a large group with a lancer you can see high damage numbers all over the place. People dying like flies.

Tarnished>>>>(5 items) When you deal Critical Damage to an enemy, glass shards burst 8 meters around them, dealing 1129 Physical Damage to enemies in the burst and applying the Sundered status effect. This effect can occur once every 8 seconds and the damage scales off the higher of your Weapon or Spell Damage.

Oakfathers>>>(5 items) Gain 449 Offensive Penetration against enemies for each Major Buff they have active. Gain 20 Weapon and Spell Damage against enemies for each Minor Buff they have active.

xylena_lazarow · July 11

Nerf the sound effect already. PvP still sounds like an exploding bottle factory.

Theignson · July 11

The constant Tarnished attacks are getting old.

You can always tell when a set is OP by how many people are using it in PvP

My poor melee toons (Arcanist, Necro, DK) don't stand much of a chance these days. If they go into a group swinging, they will be hit by 7 Tarnished Nightmares, 3 VDs, 2 RoA, 4 haunting curses...

MEBengalsFan2001 · July 11

Theignson wrote: »

The constant Tarnished attacks are getting old.

You can always tell when a set is OP by how many people are using it in PvP

My poor melee toons (Arcanist, Necro, DK) don't stand much of a chance these days. If they go into a group swinging, they will be hit by 7 Tarnished Nightmares, 3 VDs, 2 RoA, 4 haunting curses...

Tarnished is being used by so many players. It’s the sunder effect that helps it out as now you are debuffed and ready to be finished off. Players simply using the most broken set isn’t anything new. It’s been a thing since I started playing eso. It’s been 9 years now on consoles so 9 years for me.

Game is far from balanced and enjoyable most days. It’s good that Necro will be adjusted soon but what about Templar. Devs listen and made other classes balance to Templar level of damage and survival ability but made Templar horrible.

I got various builds for my Templar but they are all less effective on my Templar than playing any other class. It’s quite frustrating that my favorite class is garbage and has been almost the whole time I have played this game other than a short while when Templar had both good defensive and offensive for about two years if that. Heck I am not even being picked for healer in trial as other classes offer more to a group.

Necrotech_Master · July 11

i think the common combo is anthelmir + tarnished, if you do a heavy attack from stealth it can trigger both procs which you can then follow up with like a snipe or something else

DrNukenstein · July 11

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

fred4 · July 11

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DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

DrNukenstein · July 11

fred4 wrote: »

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

It's not offering, but that was my first idea. I was kind of disappoint.

You will not learn the trick here. You will only learn of it.

What it requires is a part of the puzzle, but the bigger part is how it's used.

How can the gamer guarantee they will take damage at full health at the exact moment they "enter combat", not a moment before or a moment after?

Necrotech_Master · July 11

fred4 wrote: »

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DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

as far as im aware any "self damage" (mainly abilities that have health cost) does not proc "taking dmg" procs

Theignson · July 11

DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

It's not offering, but that was my first idea. I was kind of disappoint.

You will not learn the trick here. You will only learn of it.

What it requires is a part of the puzzle, but the bigger part is how it's used.

How can the gamer guarantee they will take damage at full health at the exact moment they "enter combat", not a moment before or a moment after?

Most of the NB I see are faster than me now matter how many swift+celerity I have. But, when I used the coil, the 40% snare always bothered me, how do you get around it, or are you just a brawler build? 3 swift plus celerity = 31% and Coil is 40% snare

Theignson · July 11

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

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DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

as far as im aware any "self damage" (mainly abilities that have health cost) does not proc "taking dmg" procs

would simmering fury or a ravage potion do it?

DrNukenstein · July 12

Theignson wrote: »

Most of the NB I see are faster than me now matter how many swift+celerity I have. But, when I used the coil, the 40% snare always bothered me, how do you get around it, or are you just a brawler build? 3 swift plus celerity = 31% and Coil is 40% snare

3 swift and a good major expedition source is comfortable for me, and gives a cool Out of combat zoom!/in combat boom! effect. Some effects do remove or suppress the coil snare, but not snare removal.

Necrotech_Master · July 12

Theignson wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

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DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

as far as im aware any "self damage" (mainly abilities that have health cost) does not proc "taking dmg" procs

would simmering fury or a ravage potion do it?

that i dont know, i cant say ive ever really used ravage health pots lol

Theignson · July 12

DrNukenstein wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

Most of the NB I see are faster than me now matter how many swift+celerity I have. But, when I used the coil, the 40% snare always bothered me, how do you get around it, or are you just a brawler build? 3 swift plus celerity = 31% and Coil is 40% snare

3 swift and a good major expedition source is comfortable for me, and gives a cool Out of combat zoom!/in combat boom! effect. Some effects do remove or suppress the coil snare, but not snare removal.

Haha-- more hints of work arounds! I don't suppose you'll tell us how people suppress/remove the coil snare?

DrNukenstein · July 12

Theignson wrote: »

Haha-- more hints of work arounds! I don't suppose you'll tell us how people suppress/remove the coil snare?

Unstoppable pots clear/suppress/prevent it. It's not 100% that break free has the same effect. All you really need is 3 swift and Major expedition. I don't even use that skill that gives the weebos free minor expedition at all times, but it gets bonkers with that.

Sprinting is your friend.

CmdrJohn86 · July 22

Tarnish + Plaguebreak + Oakensoul= Nuke

xylena_lazarow · July 22

Usually it's Anthelmir monster set + another 5pc burst proc like Winterborn all landing at once. It's pretty broken to stack proc sets for an entire ultimate's worth of free burst damage every 8 seconds, so I encourage everyone to do this as much as possible, to raise awareness of course.

MEBengalsFan2001 · July 25

Tarnished is over tuned currently. Its base is higher than other similar sets by 400 or 600 damage. Meaning its damage is well above other proc sets. Devs simply want pvp players to either sub or buy the dlc as it will stay over tuned for probably 2-3 months.

Same can be said of how they handle class adjustments. These types of gaming by the developers is why players quit games. It becomes frustrating when you see your preferred gear or class gets adjusted downward when it wasn’t that over tuned only to see future adjustments making a class or gear well above the so called baseline the devs mentioned previously when reducing a class damage, buffs, gear proc damage, buff timer, etc

If the baseline of damage or timing for buffs or debuff has changed don’t update one class or gear set, do them all or not at all.

Durham · July 25

I like to listen to music and play the game I hate this set! They will never learn lessons about proc damage sets!

HEBREWHAMMERRR · July 30

I am a day 1 mnb. Rallying (ice staff) Tarnished (2H mace), Balorgh + Saint and seducer w/ 1 trainee is the best Magblade build I’ve played since oldschool Lich + Julianos days pre cloak + proxy nerfs.

NordSwordnBoard · July 30

Pair it with earplugs? META? no it's MASA Most Annoying Sound Available. Get off my aural lawn!

katorga · July 31

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

I am a day 1 mnb. Rallying (ice staff) Tarnished (2H mace), Balorgh + Saint and seducer w/ 1 trainee is the best Magblade build I’ve played since oldschool Lich + Julianos days pre cloak + proxy nerfs.

Tarnished/Winterborn/Wild Hunt for me. Three offensive skills merciless, forcepulse, icecomet. That's it. Nine flex spots shows just how overloaded NB's skills and "on either bar" or passive buffs can be. Have enough bar space to put flare on both bars for major protection all the time.

Best build ever. Insanely fast, lots of damage, lots of passive healing from Leeching and Reaving Blows. Tweek the build by swapping out mythics....max speed - wild hunt, tanky - esoteric greaves, healing, pale order....and so on.

Edit, next patch can do frost damage on wield soul, so will be dropping force pulse for that and using bow for crit and easy access to major expedition. So even more free slots. and will net me more pen going sharpened bow and breach on wield soul. Gonna be brutal.

olsborg · July 31

I not only wish they nerfed proccsets like this, but that all the other proccsets thereafter created for DLCs wasnt as OP in its creation.

MEBengalsFan2001 · August 1

olsborg wrote: »

I not only wish they nerfed proccsets like this, but that all the other proccsets thereafter created for DLCs wasnt as OP in its creation.

If proc set have a baseline for x amount of damage, don’t release one that’s above the baseline because when one does become available it becomes abused by the players base.

Right now in pvp it feels like Tarnished NB Online and not Elder Scrolls Online. That’s when you know the game is favoring one specific class and gear set. Game needs some much needed updates.

Udrath · August 2

I’ve really been considering grinding this set as a replacement for orders wrath. I guess they got me, gotta have the dlc lol

MEBengalsFan2001 · August 2

Udrath wrote: »

I’ve really been considering grinding this set as a replacement for orders wrath. I guess they got me, gotta have the dlc lol

I have the full set. I hate playing the meta. Rather build my character to suit my play style. Was going against six players and all at once I heard six tarnished sets go off. Death recap showed five different players all hitting me with tarnished. FYI tarnished base damage hits harder than any Templar skills. Yeah working as intended. 🤦‍♂️