Hi! Can anyone with Molag Bal poly verify if the lightning or wild hunt transform will work with it?

Eternalscourge1

I have a bunch of polymorphs, and they are fun to combine with these. For example, armor of the high feathered+wild hunt transform+arcanist=I AM GROOT, lol...Im hoping Molag Bal works the same as the other polymorphs in this regard, but im 500 seals short. Id really appreciate someone with both Molag and either the storm or wild hunt transform testing this!

Tasvori

Wild hunt works

Eternalscourge1

Tasvori wrote: »

Wild hunt works

Thank you so much for confirming, the pic embed didnt work though, sadly 😕

Eternalscourge1

Tasvori wrote: »

Wild hunt works

Nevermind pic loaded fine after a refresh sorry! Thanks again

Rivan12

The whatevers between his legs...well, it just doesn't look right...hehe I am such a child sometimes.

Tenthirty2

Rivan12 wrote: »

The whatevers between his legs...well, it just doesn't look right...hehe I am such a child sometimes.

That's just Molag's..... Branch

Syldras

Rivan12 wrote: »

The whatevers between his legs...well, it just doesn't look right...hehe I am such a child sometimes.

Don't stare at it or it will stare back into your soul.

TaSheen

Syldras wrote: »

Rivan12 wrote: »

The whatevers between his legs...well, it just doesn't look right...hehe I am such a child sometimes.

Don't stare at it or it will stare back into your soul.

Nietzsche is turning up in various conversations around my "net highway" lately....

Syldras

TaSheen wrote: »

Nietzsche is turning up in various conversations around my "net highway" lately....

I don't agree with him in many things, but he does have a few interesting concepts.

TaSheen

Syldras wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Nietzsche is turning up in various conversations around my "net highway" lately....

I don't agree with him in many things, but he does have a few interesting concepts.

Makes two of us. I was just surprised to have several conversations with friends/acquaintances, and not only your post but one on my own forum as well. Before this last week, I hadn't thought about him in probably around 20 years (almost - 2006 when I started playing WoW - which used a paraphrase in some of the early trailers and in the game manuals).

Syldras

TaSheen wrote: »

Makes two of us. I was just surprised to have several conversations with friends/acquaintances, and not only your post but one on my own forum as well. Before this last week, I hadn't thought about him in probably around 20 years (almost - 2006 when I started playing WoW - which used a paraphrase in some of the early trailers and in the game manuals).

That's interesting. Who knows, maybe there's a current meme or something like that. I'm not in many forums, so I don't notice these things. I just like to have fun with quotes sometimes, and I read a lot of philosophical works when I was younger (although mostly Greek and Roman ones).

TaSheen

Syldras wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Makes two of us. I was just surprised to have several conversations with friends/acquaintances, and not only your post but one on my own forum as well. Before this last week, I hadn't thought about him in probably around 20 years (almost - 2006 when I started playing WoW - which used a paraphrase in some of the early trailers and in the game manuals).

That's interesting. Who knows, maybe there's a current meme or something like that. I'm not in many forums, so I don't notice these things. I just like to have fun with quotes sometimes, and I read a lot of philosophical works when I was younger (although mostly Greek and Roman ones).

I read a copious amount of philosophy in college. Enough to put me off most of it! Though that was so many decades ago, today's versions might make more sense.

Syldras

TaSheen wrote: »

I read a copious amount of philosophy in college. Enough to put me off most of it!

Oh, I wish I had! But I had to read most things I found interesting privately, because the current idea in the early/mid 2000's for progressive teachers had been that you have to adress topics "the young people" care for, which were mostly... let's say not the most complex things. I can remember very well getting into a dispute with my English teacher in 10th grade because I asked whether we could read Shakespeare but he insisted that this was "old stuff without any relevance today". Instead we had to read, translate and discuss current rap lyrics... I was horribly bored most of the time.

TaSheen

Syldras wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I read a copious amount of philosophy in college. Enough to put me off most of it!

Oh, I wish I had! But I had to read most things I found interesting privately, because the current idea in the early/mid 2000's for progressive teachers had been that you have to adress topics "the young people" care for, which were mostly... let's say not the most complex things. I can remember very well getting into a dispute with my English teacher in 10th grade because I asked whether we could read Shakespeare but he insisted that this was "old stuff without any relevance today". Instead we had to read, translate and discuss current rap lyrics... I was horribly bored most of the time.

Oh good LORD. That's - almost criminal.... I guess I should be REALLY glad I was in college back in the late 60s then!

Syldras

TaSheen wrote: »

Oh good LORD. That's - almost criminal.... I guess I should be REALLY glad I was in college back in the late 60s then!

I've often wondered whether I had enjoyed school more if I had been born earlier... Even if it had just been a decade.

What baffled me most was the fact that that teacher didn't seem to understand that older literature doesn't neccessarily mean that the topics adressed were outdated. It's not that themes like revenge, betrayal, forbidden love or moral corruption have just ceased to exist because we're living in a different century now, after all.

TaSheen

Syldras wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Oh good LORD. That's - almost criminal.... I guess I should be REALLY glad I was in college back in the late 60s then!

I've often wondered whether I had enjoyed school more if I had been born earlier... Even if it had just been a decade.

What baffled me most was the fact that that teacher didn't seem to understand that older literature doesn't neccessarily mean that the topics adressed were outdated. It's not that themes like revenge, betrayal, forbidden love or moral corruption have just ceased to exist because we're living in a different century now, after all.

Oh no kidding! The fact that he thought Shakespeare was non-relevant.... well, I hope he learned better later! I was SO lucky - my senior English prof in high school allowed me the freedom to do the year end final as a dissection of Anna Karenina (um - English was my unreservedly favorite class all through school, and I read and still do to this day, voraciously).

Part of that dissertation was how the themes from Tolstoy's work were relevant to the world of the mid-60s. I wish I still had that paper (I lost a lot in a flood in San Diego in the early 90s) though I'd guess it would seem "childish and simple" today.

Syldras

TaSheen wrote: »

Oh no kidding! The fact that he thought Shakespeare was non-relevant.... well, I hope he learned better later!

Strangely, that's a mindset I've seen quite often. Reminds me of a guy I once talked to who only owned self-help books (idiotic ones, but that's another topic). He told me he considered reading works of fiction a waste of time - and that he prefered to read things he could actually learn something from instead...

Another thing are people who don't see a value in history books, museums and memorials because "that's just old stuff". During the time when I worked at memorial centers, we came across these all the time. Like "Why does this even exist, this is old, no one cares anymore, the government should rather put the money into better highways". And then you see people doing the same mistakes over and over again...

TaSheen wrote: »

I was SO lucky - my senior English prof in high school allowed me the freedom to do the year end final as a dissection of Anna Karenina (um - English was my unreservedly favorite class all through school, and I read and still do to this day, voraciously).
Part of that dissertation was how the themes from Tolstoy's work were relevant to the world of the mid-60s. I wish I still had that paper (I lost a lot in a flood in San Diego in the early 90s) though I'd guess it would seem "childish and simple" today.

Simple from today's perspective or not, that sounds awesome!

TaSheen

Syldras wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Oh no kidding! The fact that he thought Shakespeare was non-relevant.... well, I hope he learned better later!

Strangely, that's a mindset I've seen quite often. Reminds me of a guy I once talked to who only owned self-help books (idiotic ones, but that's another topic). He told me he considered reading works of fiction a waste of time - and that he prefered to read things he could actually learn something from instead...

Another thing are people who don't see a value in history books, museums and memorials because "that's just old stuff". During the time when I worked at memorial centers, we came across these all the time. Like "Why does this even exist, this is old, no one cares anymore, the government should rather put the money into better highways". And then you see people doing the same mistakes over and over again...

TaSheen wrote: »

I was SO lucky - my senior English prof in high school allowed me the freedom to do the year end final as a dissection of Anna Karenina (um - English was my unreservedly favorite class all through school, and I read and still do to this day, voraciously).
Part of that dissertation was how the themes from Tolstoy's work were relevant to the world of the mid-60s. I wish I still had that paper (I lost a lot in a flood in San Diego in the early 90s) though I'd guess it would seem "childish and simple" today.

Simple from today's perspective or not, that sounds awesome!

Well, learning from GOOD info is fine, but so many of the "self-help" offerings aren't really helpful....

As a whole, I was extremely lucky in all my professors in first high school and then college (except for the one math prof who seriously told me in front of the class - in which I was the only woman - that women were not smart enough to understand basic math, and what was I doing in Algebra 1? Well.... I DIDN'T belong in that class, but once there I did my best (math has never been anything I could do beyond basics - higher math just doesn't make sense to me) and that was a very.... distressing thing to endure. So yeah, that was a REAL downer though I did get through the class with a B+.

So I've was a bit more proactive with my own daughter when she was told (in the mid 80s in high school) that women didn't belong in computer theory class. She asked me to talk to the prof, who refused to see me, so I went to her principal and asked that she be moved to a different class and professor. She learned a lot with the new prof - a woman.... and she and I have collaborated on website design and management for years, as well as building machines, because she didn't get totally turned off technology by that first awful incident.

I'm a strange combination of English master and technology sponge. It's fun....

Syldras

TaSheen wrote: »

As a whole, I was extremely lucky in all my professors in first high school and then college (except for the one math prof who seriously told me in front of the class - in which I was the only woman - that women were not smart enough to understand basic math, and what was I doing in Algebra 1? Well.... I DIDN'T belong in that class, but once there I did my best (math has never been anything I could do beyond basics - higher math just doesn't make sense to me) and that was a very.... distressing thing to endure. So yeah, that was a REAL downer though I did get through the class with a B+.
So I've was a bit more proactive with my own daughter when she was told (in the mid 80s in high school) that women didn't belong in computer theory class. She asked me to talk to the prof, who refused to see me, so I went to her principal and asked that she be moved to a different class and professor. She learned a lot with the new prof - a woman.... and she and I have collaborated on website design and management for years, as well as building machines, because she didn't get totally turned off technology by that first awful incident.

One generation later, this was no issue anymore at all. Good to see that at least some things have changed for the better.

TaSheen

Yes. Things DO improve - and I've enjoyed my share of those improvements. And that's all I'm going to say, because anything else is going to get into stuff totally disallowed, and I do like my posting privs.

katanagirl1

Syldras wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I read a copious amount of philosophy in college. Enough to put me off most of it!

Oh, I wish I had! But I had to read most things I found interesting privately, because the current idea in the early/mid 2000's for progressive teachers had been that you have to adress topics "the young people" care for, which were mostly... let's say not the most complex things. I can remember very well getting into a dispute with my English teacher in 10th grade because I asked whether we could read Shakespeare but he insisted that this was "old stuff without any relevance today". Instead we had to read, translate and discuss current rap lyrics... I was horribly bored most of the time.

Ugh. Those are the same people who thought Lord of the Rings needed to be redone for “modern audiences”.

Syldras

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Ugh. Those are the same people who thought Lord of the Rings needed to be redone for “modern audiences”.

Nah, in case of that teacher it would probably have been "Who cares for this weird unrealistic old-fashioned fantasy stuff anymore. Let's rather watch a movie about the daily life of random-celebritry-who-currently-is-supposed-to-be-fashionable-among-teenagers - so much more realistic!!!!" That guy had us write a short essay about "Why I like Eminem" after all...

It's funny, actually, thinking about the fact that students normally get into trouble for skipping classes or brawling - I usually got into trouble for speaking my mind and politely calling out teachers on their nonsense (most teachers were okay, but some of them...); I was even called to the headmaster once who then phoned my father and told him he should have a talk with me about my behavior. When I got home that day, my father just laughed because we had the same attitude

katanagirl1

Syldras wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Ugh. Those are the same people who thought Lord of the Rings needed to be redone for “modern audiences”.

Nah, in case of that teacher it would probably have been "Who cares for this weird unrealistic old-fashioned fantasy stuff anymore. Let's rather watch a movie about the daily life of random-celebritry-who-currently-is-supposed-to-be-fashionable-among-teenagers - so much more realistic!!!!" That guy had us write a short essay about "Why I like Eminem" after all...

It's funny, actually, thinking about the fact that students normally get into trouble for skipping classes or brawling - I usually got into trouble for speaking my mind and politely calling out teachers on their nonsense (most teachers were okay, but some of them...); I was even called to the headmaster once who then phoned my father and told him he should have a talk with me about my behavior. When I got home that day, my father just laughed because we had the same attitude

This is why so many people home school their children here in the US nowadays. A friend told me their daughter had a school assignment to write an essay about something and use her feelings to back up her argument. Critical thinking is no longer taught in schools.

Syldras

katanagirl1 wrote: »

This is why so many people home school their children here in the US nowadays. A friend told me their daughter had a school assignment to write an essay about something and use her feelings to back up her argument. Critical thinking is no longer taught in schools.

Using feelings instead of facts for an argumentation? Let's say I'm not surprised...

But was critical thinking ever encouraged in schools? Maybe in theory, but I don't think most teachers ever appreciated it if you criticized them? I always perceived it as a positive exception (and strength of character) when they allowed open discussions and also admitted it when they had been mistaken.

I think homeschooling could be beneficial if it exceeds what would have normally been taught at school. But in my country, it's not allowed and discussing it with an open mind is already considered "weird". They somehow believe it's a thing for strange cult members planning to shield their children from common society or scientific topics they don't agree with, or to indoctrinate them with esoteric ideas without anyone interfering.

katanagirl1

Syldras wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

This is why so many people home school their children here in the US nowadays. A friend told me their daughter had a school assignment to write an essay about something and use her feelings to back up her argument. Critical thinking is no longer taught in schools.

Using feelings instead of facts for an argumentation? Let's say I'm not surprised...

But was critical thinking ever encouraged in schools? Maybe in theory, but I don't think most teachers ever appreciated it if you criticized them? I always perceived it as a positive exception (and strength of character) when they allowed open discussions and also admitted it when they had been mistaken.

I think homeschooling could be beneficial if it exceeds what would have normally been taught at school. But in my country, it's not allowed and discussing it with an open mind is already considered "weird". They somehow believe it's a thing for strange cult members planning to shield their children from common society or scientific topics they don't agree with, or to indoctrinate them with esoteric ideas without anyone interfering.

Critical thinking in my view is not criticizing people, but using logic and facts to support your arguments.

In college I had a deductive reasoning class, with topics of Boolean logic and such. There weren’t such classes in grade school or high school, but at least if you wrote an essay you would support it with facts, not feelings.

Some parents do home school for religious reasons, but in my friend’s case he wanted his kids to learn to think with their brains and not let feelings dictate their decisions. There are also some strange theories being taught in schools now and some historical revisionism that a lot of parents don’t agree with.

I should note that I am not a parent so I don’t have a stake in such things, just relating current events here.

EDIT: sorry this is derailing the thread. That is all I should say.

Syldras

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Critical thinking in my view is not criticizing people, but using logic and facts to support your arguments.

Of course. But during my school time it mostly showed in speaking up when teachers taught biased or plain incorrect things (which didn't stop in university, btw, the weirdest thing I encountered there was a "vocational preparation" course with the topic "intercultural communication", where the lecturer talked a huge pile of nonsense about a culture which happens to be the one my mother immigrated from; let's say what she said sounded like the cliché of the foreign villain in a 1950's Hollywood movie and was far from what I've seen in reality, while interacting with people from that culture, both migrants here as well as natives in their homecountry). In theory, the use of logic and arguments was still valued when I went to school, most tasks in non-STEM classes were writing essays or, even more often, fact-based analyses (language classes were 100% reading literature and analysing it). The only thing where logic was disencouraged, by some teachers, was when you actually disagreed with their point of view...

The "using emotions as arguments" thing is a fairly new one, we luckily didn't have that back then (not sure how it is now in my country right now, but if logic and facts don't count anymore and everything is only about someone's emotions, not speaking facts to not insult anyone, etc, I find it concerning).

katanagirl1 wrote: »

EDIT: sorry this is derailing the thread. That is all I should say.

Agreed. We should leave it at this.