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Of All the Requested Features You Come Up With This for Housing?

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    Syldras wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    I can't honestly say I've ever seen any player say, "You know, I wish ZOS would add housing tours to the activity finder!" But I have seen hundreds of requests for gold cost houses, more slots, furniture bag, furniture deconstruction, etc.

    Oh, I've seen a few of such requests. It weren't many compared to others, though.

    Maybe that's a console thing, then. Which would explain why I haven't seen it. On PC we just use EHT to go look at other people's houses. So essentially this isn't anything new for us. But that makes sense, though.

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    Jaraal wrote: »
    Syldras wrote: »
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    "Most anticipated"? Although "One of the year's..." is interesting, too - was there anything else for housing? If not, of course it's the most anticipated new housing feature... out of a selection of 1.

    Well, it was certainly one of the things most anticipated by the devs who were working on it. Other than that? I can't honestly say I've ever seen any player say, "You know, I wish ZOS would add housing tours to the activity finder!" But I have seen hundreds of requests for gold cost houses, more slots, furniture bag, furniture deconstruction, etc.

    @ZOS_Kevin can you help us understand who was anticipating this besides the team? Any links to housing in the activity finder requests? I must have been looking in the wrong places.

    i was hoping for more addon things becoming base game so i was sorta anticipating it.

    but the requests you saw for gold cost houses, more slots, furniture bag, furniture deconstruction are not features. it's quality of life improvements.
    Furnishing bag would be close maybe, but i can't imagine that not being exclusive to eso plus and zos really wouldn't market that as an update's big feature.

    Home Tours is a new system, like other features have been: Companions, Tribute, Antiquities for example.
    There might not have been requests for specifically "housing in the activity finder" as you put it, but i know there have been PC and console players that want more addon things to be base game.
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  • MarioSMB
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    • Furnishing bag to solve the item dump issue?
    • Permission to place/remove unbound furnishings in a friend's house for collaborative building?
    • Craft furnishing from preview to reduce the running back and forth?
    Nope, house tours. Something we already do via chat.

    Given the way Gold Road's story wrapped up this is looking to be a rather disappointing year for ESO - and that's saying something after Infinite Archive last year.
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    LunaFlora wrote: »
    Home Tours is a new system, like other features have been: Companions, Tribute, Antiquities for example.

    I see absolutely no connection between Home Tours as a "feature" and Antiquities or Companions. Antiquities, for example, allow you to do something "actively" in the game. Having houses displayed in a list and being able to look at them is not a real activity in the game and certainly not in connection with active housing. You can't create anything new with it, you can't be creative in new ways with it - nothing.
    As someone else wrote - housing guilds have been doing housing tours for years, this is absolutely nothing new.



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    I would like to express my thoughts in the form of haiku.

    AHEM.....

    I would like to build

    Some more stuff in my houses

    Thank you very much.

    I would have wrote a longer, more epic poem but....

    ..... I was worried I might run out of space.
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    Lugaldu wrote: »
    LunaFlora wrote: »
    Home Tours is a new system, like other features have been: Companions, Tribute, Antiquities for example.

    I see absolutely no connection between Home Tours as a "feature" and Antiquities or Companions. Antiquities, for example, allow you to do something "actively" in the game. Having houses displayed in a list and being able to look at them is not a real activity in the game and certainly not in connection with active housing. You can't create anything new with it, you can't be creative in new ways with it - nothing.
    As someone else wrote - housing guilds have been doing housing tours for years, this is absolutely nothing new.



    it's a new system just like the other features.
    like the group finder in update 40, is that a better comparison?
    all the things I've listed have been new systems regardless of how big or small of an impact they have on you
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    LunaFlora wrote: »
    it's a new system just like the other features.
    like the group finder in update 40, is that a better comparison?
    all the things I've listed have been new systems regardless of how big or small of an impact they have on you

    I don't think it's a system either. Afaik they used that term for a new game activity that they would continuously add new playable content to over the years (like adding new antiquities which each zone, new card decks for ToT with each release, new maps for Archive, etc).

    Which is not the case with just having a menu or a search function (so group finder also was no system - a feature, yes, but not a system).
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    Syldras wrote: »
    LunaFlora wrote: »
    it's a new system just like the other features.
    like the group finder in update 40, is that a better comparison?
    all the things I've listed have been new systems regardless of how big or small of an impact they have on you

    I don't think it's a system either. Afaik they used that term for a new game activity that they would continuously add new playable content to over the years (like adding new antiquities which each zone, new card decks for ToT with each release, new maps for Archive, etc).

    Which is not the case with just having a menu or a search function (so group finder also was no system - a feature, yes, but not a system).

    Systems are things players can use repeatedly. One of the things they gave as an example for a new system when they first told us the term were crafting writs. This is a new (but small) system meant to improve the way we do something that we were already doing. This is in-line with the term "Quality of Life" change.

    This is why group finder was the big QOL system last year too..
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    Systems are things players can use repeatedly. One of the things they gave as an example for a new system when they first told us the term were crafting writs.

    Crafting writs are a game activity though, something your character does in the game-world. Writs may be a minor thing compared to excavating antiquities or playing a card game, but in still part of the (role)play. Using a search function is not.

    I'm now curious, though. Maybe @ZOS_Kevin can give a short explanation what a "system" officially is?
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    Syldras wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    Systems are things players can use repeatedly. One of the things they gave as an example for a new system when they first told us the term were crafting writs.

    Crafting writs are a game activity though, something your character does in the game-world. Writs may be a minor thing compared to excavating antiquities or playing a card game, but in still part of the (role)play. Using a search function is not.

    I'm now curious, though. Maybe @ZOS_Kevin can give a short explanation what a "system" officially is?

    They gave us one.

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/63363
    In general, there are two types of content in ESO: hand-crafted, such as quests, stories and things you do one time per character; and systems, which are activities that are generally repeatable such as PvP, dungeons, trials, housing, daily crafting writs, etc. We have always had a mix of the two types of content, but in terms of Dev Team hours, the majority of time developing the game has been weighted towards questing content.

    This new system isn't just a search feature. We will be able to also favorite others houses and see the most popular ones in the community.
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    Syldras wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    Systems are things players can use repeatedly. One of the things they gave as an example for a new system when they first told us the term were crafting writs.

    Crafting writs are a game activity though, something your character does in the game-world. Writs may be a minor thing compared to excavating antiquities or playing a card game, but in still part of the (role)play. Using a search function is not.

    I'm now curious, though. Maybe @ZOS_Kevin can give a short explanation what a "system" officially is?

    They gave us one.

    https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/63363
    In general, there are two types of content in ESO: hand-crafted, such as quests, stories and things you do one time per character; and systems, which are activities that are generally repeatable such as PvP, dungeons, trials, housing, daily crafting writs, etc. We have always had a mix of the two types of content, but in terms of Dev Team hours, the majority of time developing the game has been weighted towards questing content.

    This new system isn't just a search feature. We will be able to also favorite others houses and see the most popular ones in the community.

    Woah, two breadcrumbs instead of one
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »

    From this article:
    "systems, which are activities that are generally repeatable such as PvP, dungeons, trials, housing, daily crafting writs"
    "systems like One Tamriel, thieving, assassinations, companions, Tales of Tribute, antiquities, crafting writs, housing, graphical character customization, solo/group arenas, PVP battlegrounds"
    "Q4: Rather than the usual zone DLC, we'll be featuring a new system" (as this article was for 2023, they meant Archive with this)

    Which is exactly what I wrote in my last comment.
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    Syldras wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »

    From this article:
    "systems, which are activities that are generally repeatable such as PvP, dungeons, trials, housing, daily crafting writs"
    "systems like One Tamriel, thieving, assassinations, companions, Tales of Tribute, antiquities, crafting writs, housing, graphical character customization, solo/group arenas, PVP battlegrounds"
    "Q4: Rather than the usual zone DLC, we'll be featuring a new system" (as this article was for 2023, they meant Archive with this)

    Which is exactly what I wrote in my last comment.

    You mentioned it was the type of thing they'd continuously add new content to, like Tribute. And then I said it was anything repeatable, and noted they said crafting writs were an example. Crafting Writs aren't something that they continuously add new content (well, I guess technically new chapter zones get the same board and some survey maps each year), but they are something you can use over and over.

    You then asked Kevin for an official definition and I simply stated they'd already provided one and linked it.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 4, 2024 7:04PM
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    It's the worst thing you could come up with for homeowners
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    You mentioned it was the type of thing they'd continuously add new content to, like Tribute. And then I said it was anything repeatable, and noted they said crafting writs were an example. Crafting Writs aren't something that they continuously add new content (well, I guess technically new chapter zones get the same board and some survey maps each year), but they are something you can use over and over.
    You then asked Kevin for an official definition and I simply stated they'd already provided one and linked it.

    The main point is: All listed things are activities where you are creative or play something with your character in the game world. Not just the use of a menu to show a list of whatever. And no, I don't think being able to "like" an item in the list makes it more of a game system. Of course, we can agree to disagree.
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  • PrincessOfThieves
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    I don't dislike the tour feauture, but honestly I expected much more. The housing community has been ignored for so long :(
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    Seems very very weak given all the awesome options that have been suggested.
    The only place this may be of benefit is on consoles because they have no access to addons.
    On PC, EHT already has open house features players use. Unless I'm missing something really unique about this new feature.

    I'd trade this new feature gladly to just have a GM blacksmithing station that didn't keep randomly half-disappearing...
    Reported, many times, ya think they'd at least try to fix things like that related to newer feature releases. *sigh*
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    Syldras wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    I can't honestly say I've ever seen any player say, "You know, I wish ZOS would add housing tours to the activity finder!" But I have seen hundreds of requests for gold cost houses, more slots, furniture bag, furniture deconstruction, etc.

    Oh, I've seen a few of such requests. It weren't many compared to others, though.

    In general, I'm not against that feature. It's nice for people without addons. The only two things that bother me are the hype that was generated (without that, the forum wouldn't be filled with disappointed posts now) and the fact that this replaced what Q3 had originally been.

    Pretty much. The problem is not that this "feature" exists. I can safely say that the majority of people don't care about it, but the ones that do it's good for I guess. The only people this change is for is a comparatively small subsection of console players. The problem is that this "feature" is what we get instead of 2 dungeons and a zone, while they continue to ignore making changes to housing that a lot of people have been crying out for years about.

    Even 3+ years ago this would have been considered a very small QoL change and not one to base nearly the whole update around.

    Paraphrasing from what someone else said in another thread, I don't think people would've been nearly as upset if the game's content wasn't now limited to a few days of questing and the long, boring grind of Scribing for the whole year. You've already seen tons of people complain that West Weald didn't have a lot of content, too many locked doors and smaller zone, combined with the fact that this is an anniversary year, ZOS is still charging for a full priced game and now we're getting far less content than before.

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    Tenthirty2 wrote: »
    Seems very very weak given all the awesome options that have been suggested.
    The only place this may be of benefit is on consoles because they have no access to addons.
    On PC, EHT already has open house features players use. Unless I'm missing something really unique about this new feature.

    I'd trade this new feature gladly to just have a GM blacksmithing station that didn't keep randomly half-disappearing...
    Reported, many times, ya think they'd at least try to fix things like that related to newer feature releases. *sigh*

    Essentially they are implementing EHT into the base game. I think that is a good move but it would have a much more positive impact if it was released all at once rather than in bits and pieces. It is true that for the PC due to the addon the impact is not as big as it is for consoles but not having to deal with an addon is good to me.

    Overall I think putting EHT into the game is a good thing and does meet player requests I've seen on the forum over the years. However in typical fashion the implementation has problems. In this case not so much the actual game functions but the way it is being rolled out.
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    I slightly disagree. Putting EHT is less of their work going into the game and more of a players works going into the game. This is a side addition. So where is the "significant" dev content for this game for U43??? We're still not seeing it, but we're surely paying for it. Why isn't cooperate funding more than this?
    Edited by Arrodisia on July 5, 2024 12:34AM
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    They didn't even put EHT into the game: that addon has a LOT of features, and the game is still missing some of these.
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    Syldras wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    You mentioned it was the type of thing they'd continuously add new content to, like Tribute. And then I said it was anything repeatable, and noted they said crafting writs were an example. Crafting Writs aren't something that they continuously add new content (well, I guess technically new chapter zones get the same board and some survey maps each year), but they are something you can use over and over.
    You then asked Kevin for an official definition and I simply stated they'd already provided one and linked it.

    The main point is: All listed things are activities where you are creative or play something with your character in the game world. Not just the use of a menu to show a list of whatever. And no, I don't think being able to "like" an item in the list makes it more of a game system. Of course, we can agree to disagree.

    I mean, you can reduce crafting writs to just a menu telling you what buttons to press too.

    I think that this encourages people to socialize with others, enables roleplay (visiting others houses), encourages creativity, and allows homes to be more interactive since now the broader community can see them too.

    And I really think people would feel the same about it, if it was not the only brand new thing in Q3. It would probably be really popular if it came alongside something like furniture deconstruction.

    It's a shame Q3 didn't offer multiple new things like last time. We got the group finder and the Grandmaster Crafting Tables announced. If we only had the tables, people would just be like all that is a menu improvement too.

    But Tables had the benefit of being launched alongside the Group Finder.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 5, 2024 1:14AM
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    vsrs_au wrote: »
    They didn't even put EHT into the game: that addon has a LOT of features, and the game is still missing some of these.

    As I said they seem to be adding EHT in bits and pieces rather than in one complete release. I think the piece meal approach is a poor strategy since it sucks the life out of any build up when players see how incomplete the announced update is.
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    Missed the stream is this housing tours the spectacular reveal linked to the manor house given away?...how is this house a hint to housing tours
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    I mean, you can reduce crafting writs to just a menu telling you what buttons to press too.

    One could reduce most of the game to pressing buttons in the right order. What the buttons do makes the difference.
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    I think that this encourages people to socialize with others, enables roleplay (visiting others houses), encourages creativity, and allows homes to be more interactive since now the broader community can see them too.

    I'm honestly wondering if many players really want or need encouragement? I'm straightforward in that regard: Either I'm interested in something or I am not; if I am, I will inform myself about it and arrange it. No encouragement needed. If I don't want it, "encouragement" is needed even less. My creativity also doesn't depend on people applauding (or not), if I have an idea, I just work on it. I do it out of my own interest, not for others, after all.

    I see, of course, that for those who want to socialize or who like to show off their buildings, the new function makes it's easier, and I'm happy for them.
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    And I really think people would feel the same about it, if it was not the only brand new thing in Q3. It would probably be really popular if it came alongside something like furniture deconstruction.

    I don't know if really popular, but I agree that there probably wouldn't be such a backlash. Almost no one complained about the new function itself, after all, only about the lack of other features.
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    I don't dislike the tour feauture, but honestly I expected much more. The housing community has been ignored for so long :(

    While being the ones paying the most to enjoy the game. Hands down any longterm housing enthusiasts have spent hundreds to thousands of dollars individually.
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    Syldras wrote: »
    I think announcing it like this was unfortunate - it gave people too high expectations:

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    Well, this part is interesting, too, now that I'm just seeing it:

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    "Most anticipated"? Although "One of the year's..." is interesting, too - was there anything else for housing? If not, of course it's the most anticipated new housing feature... out of a selection of 1.

    Who are they asking if that was "most anticipated"?
    I've not once asked for that feature. Anyone that I would want to visit my house already has access through my guilds or by porting to me.
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    LunaFlora wrote: »
    Syldras wrote: »
    I think announcing it like this was unfortunate - it gave people too high expectations:

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    Well, this part is interesting, too, now that I'm just seeing it:

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    "Most anticipated"? Although "One of the year's..." is interesting, too - was there anything else for housing? If not, of course it's the most anticipated new housing feature... out of a selection of 1.

    i don't get how "housing feature" gave people high expectations?

    i believe everything people expected besides this was either QoL like limits increase (which we recently again got told won't happen) or new kinds of furnishings like weather control or mannequins.
    which was not realistic to expect as a feature.


    And yes there is more to housing in update 43, not really other features but there's:
    - medium sized classic home in Auridon in the Alinor style. named Seabloom Villa with a toggle for flowers on the building.
    People have wanted more medium sized homes for years. the last one was Lucky Cat's Landing in Southern Elsweyr from 2019.

    - Haven of the Five Companions in the base game imperial style which will be the q4 event collectible.
    - and not mentioned in the stream, but q3 usually has new master writ and structural plans too.

    Question about the Q4 event Imperial house - do you know if you have to have the Imperial upgrade to get it like when you buy Imperial houses? I think that’s how it works for ones bought with crowns.

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    I think part of why it feels insulting is this was something for the housing community.

    With the reveal of essentially EHT for console, it turns out this is a housing feature for console players.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for console players (and PC players that don't use addons), but this doesn't feel like it was for the community.
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