Icereach (NA) issues again...is this really how you want this to work?

King_of_zor

Hello again.
I'd like to present a scenario of the behavior of (at least one) a person in Icereach, N.A.

This person has characters in all 3 factions and has a deep abiding hatred of the AD faction. I will not mention his name and will provide it only to ZOS mods or devs, if requested. He has been reported numerous times.

AD has rallied and proceeded to take the map (something that will be reversed as DC comes on later in the day). The person in question logs his AD toon and proceeds to take the scrolls that are released as AD take the keep holding it.
He then runs the scrolls to the water and goes swimming, being killed and the scroll stays there until the opposing faction takes back a keep that makes the scroll re-spawn there.

This is his idea of fun and has expressed such numerous times in AD zone chat.

The effect is denying the faction the scroll that has been captured through the use of multiple faction characters on a single account in u50.

True, this is trivial, though annoying.

This is a signature move of this person as he does this every weekend (when he plays..again, because he considers this 'fun'.)

A simple solution to this kind of behavior is, If someone has multiple factions on a single account, they should not be able to pick up ANY scroll. The grey area is mutiple accounts, so not sure how that could be prevented.

Attached is a screenshot of the map and those EP scrolls will return to DC when they get a couple of keeps back BEFORE they get their temple scrolls back.

Some fun, huh?

King_of_zor

Desiato

This is just playing into their hands because they're probably unwell and doing it for attention and relevancy.

ZOS doesn't do a thing about this kind of behaviour. The best thing to do is avoid feeding the troll. Ignore them.

I know that might seem impossible because they're stopping you from doing something you want to do, but the reality is they're allowed to do this, so you must accept it and choose the course of action that produces the best result -- which is not feeding them.

Ezhh

King_of_zor wrote: »

True, this is trivial, though annoying.

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A simple solution to this kind of behavior is, If someone has multiple factions on a single account, they should not be able to pick up ANY scroll.

So due to something trivial, I and many others who usually play one alliance only, but just happen to have some old mostly unused characters from before having any-race any-alliance, should no longer be able to carry a scroll?

This seems a little extreme.

EdjeSwift

Ezhh wrote: »

King_of_zor wrote: »

True, this is trivial, though annoying.

...

A simple solution to this kind of behavior is, If someone has multiple factions on a single account, they should not be able to pick up ANY scroll.

So due to something trivial, I and many others who usually play one alliance only, but just happen to have some old mostly unused characters from before having any-race any-alliance, should no longer be able to carry a scroll?

This seems a little extreme.

I 100% agree.

I'm a PvP mercenary. I have 20 characters spread across all the factions and classes. I've carried scrolls for DC, AD, and EP to safety. You don't punish everyone for the bad actions of a few. When I'm in PvP I'm playing for whatever faction I'm on. If you don't want to deal with this sort of thing they have a faction locked server for you.

CGPsaint

I can't imagine that it would be hard for ZoS to implement some sort of penalty for going swimming with the slaughterfish while carrying the scroll. I feel like a perma-death for the remainder of the campaign would be fair. They get to have their little fun once, and the rest of the players don't have to deal with them again until the following week or month.

FlopsyPrince

How about the scroll goes back to the last location if the individual carrying it dies in the water, perhaps after a brief time counter.

James-Wayne

War is unfair.

xylena_lazarow

Icereach and Ravenwatch are dead failures that only serve a handful of experienced players on smurfs. To help actual new players learn PvP, they need to be consolidated into a single beginner campaign with a low cp cap, 160, 300, 600, whatever. This way, it is restricted to actual new players, with vets on new accounts being much rarer than simple alts, and cp could potentially be enabled so that players aren't left unprepared for the main campaign.

katanagirl1

CGPsaint wrote: »

I can't imagine that it would be hard for ZoS to implement some sort of penalty for going swimming with the slaughterfish while carrying the scroll. I feel like a perma-death for the remainder of the campaign would be fair. They get to have their little fun once, and the rest of the players don't have to deal with them again until the following week or month.

Not to defend this particular player, but oftentimes the scroll gets dropped in the lava near Chorrol during a run back to the DC temple. Sometimes the scroll is dropped in the water to avoid enemy players getting it. Not all instances would be trolling.

I think the devs need to review this case and deal with him individually.

I play on the main campaign which is faction locked. It does not prevent similar things from happening if players have multiple accounts, but makes it more difficult.

King_of_zor

You've all brought up valid points that I hadn't considered. It appears to be a far more complicated issue than i thought. Please continue to provide insight that could be implemented should the devs wish to do so. (Not that that'll happen anytime soon, lol)

CGPsaint

katanagirl1 wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

I can't imagine that it would be hard for ZoS to implement some sort of penalty for going swimming with the slaughterfish while carrying the scroll. I feel like a perma-death for the remainder of the campaign would be fair. They get to have their little fun once, and the rest of the players don't have to deal with them again until the following week or month.

Not to defend this particular player, but oftentimes the scroll gets dropped in the lava near Chorrol during a run back to the DC temple. Sometimes the scroll is dropped in the water to avoid enemy players getting it. Not all instances would be trolling.

I think the devs need to review this case and deal with him individually.

I play on the main campaign which is faction locked. It does not prevent similar things from happening if players have multiple accounts, but makes it more difficult.

Fair points. If they can establish that the same player is doing this repeatedly, then refer back to my comment!

katanagirl1

CGPsaint wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

I can't imagine that it would be hard for ZoS to implement some sort of penalty for going swimming with the slaughterfish while carrying the scroll. I feel like a perma-death for the remainder of the campaign would be fair. They get to have their little fun once, and the rest of the players don't have to deal with them again until the following week or month.

Not to defend this particular player, but oftentimes the scroll gets dropped in the lava near Chorrol during a run back to the DC temple. Sometimes the scroll is dropped in the water to avoid enemy players getting it. Not all instances would be trolling.

I think the devs need to review this case and deal with him individually.

I play on the main campaign which is faction locked. It does not prevent similar things from happening if players have multiple accounts, but makes it more difficult.

Fair points. If they can establish that the same player is doing this repeatedly, then refer back to my comment!

Best thing would be a video showing this guy running around with the scroll and taking it for a swim, especially if you can catch it more than one time. Also including zone text chat might help, surely he is being called out for what he is doing there.

Desiato

katanagirl1 wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

I can't imagine that it would be hard for ZoS to implement some sort of penalty for going swimming with the slaughterfish while carrying the scroll. I feel like a perma-death for the remainder of the campaign would be fair. They get to have their little fun once, and the rest of the players don't have to deal with them again until the following week or month.

Not to defend this particular player, but oftentimes the scroll gets dropped in the lava near Chorrol during a run back to the DC temple. Sometimes the scroll is dropped in the water to avoid enemy players getting it. Not all instances would be trolling.

I think the devs need to review this case and deal with him individually.

I play on the main campaign which is faction locked. It does not prevent similar things from happening if players have multiple accounts, but makes it more difficult.

Fair points. If they can establish that the same player is doing this repeatedly, then refer back to my comment!

Best thing would be a video showing this guy running around with the scroll and taking it for a swim, especially if you can catch it more than one time. Also including zone text chat might help, surely he is being called out for what he is doing there.

This has been a thing since close to the start. ZOS has already set a precedent that they won't do anything about it, which has been reinforced many times. This kind of thing happens on Grey Host too, by players who circumvent the faction lock by playing on multiple accounts. ZOS doesn't do anything about that either.

The best thing one can do is ignore them because, in my experience, they mainly want attention. Some people will go for negative attention when they are unsuccessful in getting it for positive actions.

Necrotech_Master

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Icereach and Ravenwatch are dead failures that only serve a handful of experienced players on smurfs. To help actual new players learn PvP, they need to be consolidated into a single beginner campaign with a low cp cap, 160, 300, 600, whatever. This way, it is restricted to actual new players, with vets on new accounts being much rarer than simple alts, and cp could potentially be enabled so that players aren't left unprepared for the main campaign.

ravenwatch was a lot better when it allowed procs, but still kept the no cp rule lol

it was nice during the pvp event they add 7 day no cp/with proc campaigns, i actually enjoy playing in this lol

katanagirl1

Desiato wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

I can't imagine that it would be hard for ZoS to implement some sort of penalty for going swimming with the slaughterfish while carrying the scroll. I feel like a perma-death for the remainder of the campaign would be fair. They get to have their little fun once, and the rest of the players don't have to deal with them again until the following week or month.

Not to defend this particular player, but oftentimes the scroll gets dropped in the lava near Chorrol during a run back to the DC temple. Sometimes the scroll is dropped in the water to avoid enemy players getting it. Not all instances would be trolling.

I think the devs need to review this case and deal with him individually.

I play on the main campaign which is faction locked. It does not prevent similar things from happening if players have multiple accounts, but makes it more difficult.

Fair points. If they can establish that the same player is doing this repeatedly, then refer back to my comment!

Best thing would be a video showing this guy running around with the scroll and taking it for a swim, especially if you can catch it more than one time. Also including zone text chat might help, surely he is being called out for what he is doing there.

This has been a thing since close to the start. ZOS has already set a precedent that they won't do anything about it, which has been reinforced many times. This kind of thing happens on Grey Host too, by players who circumvent the faction lock by playing on multiple accounts. ZOS doesn't do anything about that either.

The best thing one can do is ignore them because, in my experience, they mainly want attention. Some people will go for negative attention when they are unsuccessful in getting it for positive actions.

The scrolls are the most valuable item in Cyrodiil PvP, I don’t think ignoring a player who is trolling them is the answer.

I just think complaints that are just statements about what happened probably cannot be acted upon by ZOS, where video evidence cannot be ignored.

Desiato

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I just think complaints that are just statements about what happened probably cannot be acted upon by ZOS, where video evidence cannot be ignored.

History shows this is false. They've stated they previously they won't take action in cases like this. The player in question is free to do what they want with the scrolls if they can get them. Letting it affect you and especially showing them it affects you only hurts you.

CGPsaint

Desiato wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I just think complaints that are just statements about what happened probably cannot be acted upon by ZOS, where video evidence cannot be ignored.

History shows this is false. They've stated they previously they won't take action in cases like this. The player in question is free to do what they want with the scrolls if they can get them. Letting it affect you and especially showing them it affects you only hurts you.

If ZoS isn't willing to act on something that actively harms PvP in a game where PvP is already on life support, then at some point their laissez faire attitude will be the final nail in that coffin.

Desiato

CGPsaint wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I just think complaints that are just statements about what happened probably cannot be acted upon by ZOS, where video evidence cannot be ignored.

History shows this is false. They've stated they previously they won't take action in cases like this. The player in question is free to do what they want with the scrolls if they can get them. Letting it affect you and especially showing them it affects you only hurts you.

If ZoS isn't willing to act on something that actively harms PvP in a game where PvP is already on life support, then at some point their laissez faire attitude will be the final nail in that coffin.

The final nail in the coffin happened many years ago. You're playing the writhing corpse of Cyrodiil.

xylena_lazarow

Desiato wrote: »

The final nail in the coffin happened many years ago. You're playing the writhing corpse of Cyrodiil.

Dead game since 2014 yet yall still playing it.

katanagirl1

Desiato wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I just think complaints that are just statements about what happened probably cannot be acted upon by ZOS, where video evidence cannot be ignored.

History shows this is false. They've stated they previously they won't take action in cases like this. The player in question is free to do what they want with the scrolls if they can get them. Letting it affect you and especially showing them it affects you only hurts you.

Can you list a source for this? I am not aware of it. I would be curious as to the details of the case and whether or not there was video evidence.

EDIT: typo

Desiato

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

The final nail in the coffin happened many years ago. You're playing the writhing corpse of Cyrodiil.

Dead game since 2014 yet yall still playing it.

I'm mainly a pve player right now. I would never main cyrodiil. It would be an exercise in frustrating masochism. When I feel like maining a pvp game again, it won't be this one.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Can you list a source for this? I am not aware of it. I would be curious as to the details of the case and whether or not there was video evidence.

EDIT: typo

Unfortunately, no. A lot of old content isn't indexed by google anymore. I spent a few minutes searching for official references, but I could only fine other anecdotes referring to it like mine. Basically, they said it was valid to "rp as a traitor" or something along those lines. IMO, they just don't want to deal with the customer service costs.

This happened in my very first campaign in 2014 and it seemed as outrageous to me then as it does to you now. It's not that I disagree that it should be against the rules, but the reality is that it's not. The bottom line is that if you can pick up a scroll or hammer, what you do with it is up to you.

But if you google 'eso scroll trolling' you can see this has been a subject for many years and ZOS has never, ever taken action.