Remove "In combat " mounting restrictions

darvaria · June 25

Please just remove this from the game. Maybe this is most problematic at Cyrodiil. Just allow players to mount in combat anywhere in the game. Because I know that is the only way to make this not a problem at Cyrodiil. Last time I was there I continuously had this problem and had to port to IC to get rid of it. Just let players mount up and ride away. And it never happens because I'm really in combat. Just random bug. So PLEASE remove this mechanic from game.

ToRelax · June 25

Removing it would be a far greater problem in Cyrodiil.

TechMaybeHic · June 25

Just make mounting in combat require a 5 second channel, cost all mag, stam, and mount stam. Then it is too risky to try to use it to just escape unless you had a clear path

kurbbie_s · June 26

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Just make mounting in combat require a 5 second cannel, cost all mag, stam, and mount stam. Then it is too risky to try to use it to just escape unless you had a clear path

how about no change. Time gated stuff already exists everywhere i dont need time gated mounting

TechMaybeHic · June 26

kurbbie_s wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Just make mounting in combat require a 5 second cannel, cost all mag, stam, and mount stam. Then it is too risky to try to use it to just escape unless you had a clear path

how about no change. Time gated stuff already exists everywhere i dont need time gated mounting

You can't mount at all currently while in combat which is the only time I'm saying to have this. I'd gladly wait longer even

vsrs_au · June 26

What we need is a proper fix for the stuck in combat bug, not replacing one problem with another (the proposed time delay).

darvaria · June 26

What problem could removing "in combat" cause in Cyrodiil? I'm sick of walking from BRK to Arrius. And not even one enemy player around.

Metafae · June 26

To be honest, if you could mount whilst in combat, having the mount start with no stamina would be a good middle ground.

If someone were trying to escape by mount, a single light attack will knock them right back off and leave them open for an easy kill.

Why not allow this?

SpiritofESO · June 26

Thanks.

ToRelax · June 26

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if you could mount whilst in combat, having the mount start with no stamina would be a good middle ground.

If someone were trying to escape by mount, a single light attack will knock them right back off and leave them open for an easy kill.

Why not allow this?

Because it's not about escaping but chasing. As it is, if someone is chasing on a mount you can knock them down once and that's mostly it, at least for a time. Imagine ten people mounting up everytime they get knocked down, so when you hit one there's already nine others in range to zerg you down.

divnyi · June 26

ToRelax wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if you could mount whilst in combat, having the mount start with no stamina would be a good middle ground.

If someone were trying to escape by mount, a single light attack will knock them right back off and leave them open for an easy kill.

Why not allow this?

Because it's not about escaping but chasing. As it is, if someone is chasing on a mount you can knock them down once and that's mostly it, at least for a time. Imagine ten people mounting up everytime they get knocked down, so when you hit one there's already nine others in range to zerg you down.

Dude if you can't kill players that are both out of stam and mag (so one stun and he can't recover), then it's on you.
Maybe you should not be able to fight 10 players on your own?

reiverx · June 26

They aren't going to fix this or any other problems with PVP.

I think deep down, everyone here knows that.

xylena_lazarow · June 26

ToRelax wrote: »

Because it's not about escaping but chasing. As it is, if someone is chasing on a mount you can knock them down once and that's mostly it, at least for a time. Imagine ten people mounting up everytime they get knocked down, so when you hit one there's already nine others in range to zerg you down.

Zergers love chasing me. I'll gladly take the risk. So tired of walking between keeps.

Nathrai · June 26

I would rather enjoy being able to mount in combat, but I'm pretty sure people would find new ways to abuse this in PVP ... heck, I'm pretty sure *I* would abuse it to get away from the gankers ...

Veinblood1965 · June 26

Just change it where if you have not been attacked within the last five seconds you can mount.

casparian · June 26

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Just make mounting in combat require a 5 second channel, cost all mag, stam, and mount stam. Then it is too risky to try to use it to just escape unless you had a clear path

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

Just change it where if you have not been attacked within the last five seconds you can mount.

This is ESO, they can't "just" do anything. Coding something like this would probably take hundreds of person hours and break something entirely unrelated, like making companion voice lines play endlessly every time you sneak or something.

barney2525 · June 26

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if you could mount whilst in combat, having the mount start with no stamina would be a good middle ground.

If someone were trying to escape by mount, a single light attack will knock them right back off and leave them open for an easy kill.

Why not allow this?

I thought increasing your stamina to 60 was supposed to be a benefit.

Now we are asking to completely invalidate high stamina mounts?

TechMaybeHic · June 26

barney2525 wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if you could mount whilst in combat, having the mount start with no stamina would be a good middle ground.

If someone were trying to escape by mount, a single light attack will knock them right back off and leave them open for an easy kill.

Why not allow this?

I thought increasing your stamina to 60 was supposed to be a benefit.

Now we are asking to completely invalidate high stamina mounts?

Would still have the stam when mounting outside of combat. Not sure why people are having a hard time following the distinction

Casdha · June 26

So, this topic is gonna make me ask this question

Isn't there a new grimoire that lets you call your ride and basically use it like a weapon (not tried it yet) in PvP

How does that work?

EdjeSwift · June 26

Casdha wrote: »

So, this topic is gonna make me ask this question

Isn't there a new grimoire that lets you call your ride and basically use it like a weapon (not tried it yet) in PvP

How does that work?

This is what you're referring to:

You call your mount, but you don't actually mount up. It's a lot like Isobel's ult.

ToRelax · June 26

divnyi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if you could mount whilst in combat, having the mount start with no stamina would be a good middle ground.

If someone were trying to escape by mount, a single light attack will knock them right back off and leave them open for an easy kill.

Why not allow this?

Because it's not about escaping but chasing. As it is, if someone is chasing on a mount you can knock them down once and that's mostly it, at least for a time. Imagine ten people mounting up everytime they get knocked down, so when you hit one there's already nine others in range to zerg you down.

Dude if you can't kill players that are both out of stam and mag (so one stun and he can't recover), then it's on you.
Maybe you should not be able to fight 10 players on your own?

If you aren't familiar with the situation I'm talking about that says a lot more about you than me. You can't reliably kill someone when being chased by ten players keeping up with you, because if you do go on the offensive against one of them, so will the other nine against you.

TechMaybeHic · June 26

ToRelax wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if you could mount whilst in combat, having the mount start with no stamina would be a good middle ground.

If someone were trying to escape by mount, a single light attack will knock them right back off and leave them open for an easy kill.

Why not allow this?

Because it's not about escaping but chasing. As it is, if someone is chasing on a mount you can knock them down once and that's mostly it, at least for a time. Imagine ten people mounting up everytime they get knocked down, so when you hit one there's already nine others in range to zerg you down.

Dude if you can't kill players that are both out of stam and mag (so one stun and he can't recover), then it's on you.
Maybe you should not be able to fight 10 players on your own?

If you aren't familiar with the situation I'm talking about that says a lot more about you than me. You can't reliably kill someone when being chased by ten players keeping up with you, because if you do go on the offensive against one of them, so will the other nine against you.

I would think turning to try to knock a chaser off their mount would be enough for the other 9 to catch you anyway.

ToRelax · June 26

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

To be honest, if you could mount whilst in combat, having the mount start with no stamina would be a good middle ground.

If someone were trying to escape by mount, a single light attack will knock them right back off and leave them open for an easy kill.

Why not allow this?

Because it's not about escaping but chasing. As it is, if someone is chasing on a mount you can knock them down once and that's mostly it, at least for a time. Imagine ten people mounting up everytime they get knocked down, so when you hit one there's already nine others in range to zerg you down.

Dude if you can't kill players that are both out of stam and mag (so one stun and he can't recover), then it's on you.
Maybe you should not be able to fight 10 players on your own?

If you aren't familiar with the situation I'm talking about that says a lot more about you than me. You can't reliably kill someone when being chased by ten players keeping up with you, because if you do go on the offensive against one of them, so will the other nine against you.

I would think turning to try to knock a chaser off their mount would be enough for the other 9 to catch you anyway.

It usually is, but the goal isn't necessarily to kill them (yet), so it's often worth it if you can just dodge cancel a single skill for example. Being able to still kite afterwards is what allows for putting up a fight, and this suggestion would eliminate this out of very enclosed spaces.

darvaria · June 27

This has nothing to do with stam or killing anyone or even being killed. You literally are stuck until leave Cyro or something. You can port at forts or port to IC but you can NOT mount. If you are running with a group you can't catch up.

JUST REMOVE the "can't mount stuck in combat" from Cyrodiil. I know it can't be fixed but it could be removed.

This will not affect "PVP" as there is is NO PVP you just can't mount because you are stuck in combat.

TechMaybeHic · June 27

darvaria wrote: »

This has nothing to do with stam or killing anyone or even being killed. You literally are stuck until leave Cyro or something. You can port at forts or port to IC but you can NOT mount. If you are running with a group you can't catch up.

JUST REMOVE the "can't mount stuck in combat" from Cyrodiil. I know it can't be fixed but it could be removed.

This will not affect "PVP" as there is is NO PVP you just can't mount because you are stuck in combat.

People wont want that because people will just troll, run around LOS, then mount and take off. The troll and run is bad enough as it is

reiverx · June 27

casparian wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Just make mounting in combat require a 5 second channel, cost all mag, stam, and mount stam. Then it is too risky to try to use it to just escape unless you had a clear path

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

Just change it where if you have not been attacked within the last five seconds you can mount.

This is ESO, they can't "just" do anything. Coding something like this would probably take hundreds of person hours and break something entirely unrelated, like making companion voice lines play endlessly every time you sneak or something.

That would be a huge violation of coding principles.

They aren't fixing this because it isn't a priority. It's not important to them.

darvaria · June 27

Players at Cyrodiil have been asking for this for years. And if players mount up that are LOSing they will be easier to kill mounted. Plus you have the mounting time for players to catch up. Do we really needed "can't mount in combat" ANY WHERE in the game? This could easily be removed.

This occurs when there are NO players any where around. You can port to another keep but when you get there you still can't mount.

zaria · June 27

darvaria wrote: »

Players at Cyrodiil have been asking for this for years. And if players mount up that are LOSing they will be easier to kill mounted. Plus you have the mounting time for players to catch up. Do we really needed "can't mount in combat" ANY WHERE in the game? This could easily be removed.

This occurs when there are NO players any where around. You can port to another keep but when you get there you still can't mount.

This, stuck in combat is basically two things, the one you run into farming or doing quests is that you pull some mob who can not reach you do their one attack before becoming immune and running back who is in itself very stupid.

The other is the some in group is in combat and less than 500 meter? away from you so you can not mount.
This part I would just drop. Its common in Cyrodil but if you farmed world bosses in an group you probably experienced it overland to.
Note that if you are mounted and pull some random mob you might not even see all the ones running behind is screwed until you is out of combat. And why can I not change my hotbar inside an keep because its an fight outside the outer walls? Keep is not under siege but I'm in combat at the siege merchant.

Poncho28 · June 27

Maybe allow our mounts to be a functioning combat element (e.g. an alliance war or scribe ability), like charge or stampede. If not then I agree with OP on removing combat mount restrictions.

darvaria · June 30

just spent 2 hours at Cyro and stayed in combat the entire time. You can port but you can't mount? Just remove it from Cyrodiil ... like it keeps ppl from escaping? Get real. We all have port to IC hot keyed.

Can I get an answer from ZOS if this is ever going to be changed? It can't be "working as intended" when you haven't cast anything or been near another enemy player or npc for 10 minutes. I went inside Arrius and went AFK to answer a phone call and 10 minutes later I'm still "in combat".

CGPsaint · June 30

Add a short cast time (~1.5 sec) and make it interruptible to satisfy the PvP crowd, and then get rid of mounting restrictions everywhere outside of Cyrodiil. This has been a thorn in our side for a DECADE.