Now Ithelia, next... maybe Sheo/Jyggalag?

Drammanoth

With the Soulburst, was it not an 'end' of an Era?

We could gain access to the Shivering Isles (as a separate DLC) and some part of Tamriel - Blackmarsh and/or Hammerfell.

To be able to experience the Grey March again, as it used to be in TES Oblivion

TaSheen

Not my idea of fun, no thanks. Had all of Sheo I EVER want.

Drammanoth

Yup, true - which is why I'd be more inclined to experience Jyggalag's unknown realm and its influence.

TaSheen

Well, that would be some better, though I'm just not sold on "dissecting" Jyg..... I feel about it the same way I do about the Dwemer - mystery needs to remain.

I don't know how we'd do Jyg without having to mess with Sheo....

Soarora

No. ESO takes place over 200 years into the 2nd Era. The 3rd Era starts by Tiber Septim, who isn't born yet. There's no way to make a Greymarch happen without retconning things. Besides, ZOS hasn't done a very good job handling Sheogorath, I'd rather not see him again. I just wanted a Jyggalag mention with all the Ithelia shenanigans, the most we could end up seeing is a cult that somehow still remembers him.

OtarTheMad

We are in 2nd Era year 582.

The 2nd era doesn’t end until year 896. So a Grey March can only happen then.

prof-dracko

If we get the Isles in any way I imagine it being a paired dungeon DLC. One Mania, one Dementia, with the madness and amber motifs dropping for each.

RaddlemanNumber7

I'd love to go home to the Shivering Isles. The very thought fills me with joy.

vsrs_au

prof-dracko wrote: »

If we get the Isles in any way I imagine it being a paired dungeon DLC. One Mania, one Dementia, with the madness and amber motifs dropping for each.

I really hope not, because that would exclude a lot of players from seeing it (those who don't like forming random groups and prefer to play solo). I hope if we ever do see the Shivering Isles, it's a zone like Apocrypha.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I still want the Shivering Isles to be a PvP zone. Get assigned to Mania or Dementia depending on which has the lower population and try to conquer the other side.

That said, even if they wiggled around the problem that the timeframe isn’t correct for a Greymarch and just had the ruined remainder of Jyggalag’s library or something as a new zone/delve/dungeon…I’d still rather they gave more screentime to the Princes who haven’t gotten much backstory yet. We already know Sheo’s Big Secret, I would rather find out what Peryite did to anger the other Princes. And we haven’t gotten to Vile’s hook from Summerset yet, nor have we even glanced at the Fields of Regret since then, and that was years ago. Or what about Sanguine? Or Malacath - have we even gotten to visit the Ashpit yet?

prof-dracko

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want the Shivering Isles to be a PvP zone. Get assigned to Mania or Dementia depending on which has the lower population and try to conquer the other side.

I have no investment in PVP but this actually seems like a good idea. Maybe take Volendrung out of Cyro and put it here with the other relics we were promised and make it a chaotic free-for-all.

TaSheen

prof-dracko wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want the Shivering Isles to be a PvP zone. Get assigned to Mania or Dementia depending on which has the lower population and try to conquer the other side.

I have no investment in PVP but this actually seems like a good idea. Maybe take Volendrung out of Cyro and put it here with the other relics we were promised and make it a chaotic free-for-all.

That might be a good idea at that. Since I don't pvp it would certainly work for me....

Syldras

vsrs_au wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

If we get the Isles in any way I imagine it being a paired dungeon DLC. One Mania, one Dementia, with the madness and amber motifs dropping for each.

I really hope not, because that would exclude a lot of players from seeing it (those who don't like forming random groups and prefer to play solo). I hope if we ever do see the Shivering Isles, it's a zone like Apocrypha.

Yes, let alone that the Shivering Isles could be used to create lots of interesting characters and quests and new lore, so making it a PvP arena or 2 dungeons with only 1 quest each would be a waste of potential. Even more than it was with Falkreath, and already that earned ZOS a lot of complaints.

Soarora

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want the Shivering Isles to be a PvP zone. Get assigned to Mania or Dementia depending on which has the lower population and try to conquer the other side.

That could be really interesting and a good way to get people into PvP if this mode also has set builds to choose from, like different types of Daedra. Would really put everyone on the same field with only player skill mattering— assuming ZOS can balance the “classes” against each other.

EdjeSwift

Soarora wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want the Shivering Isles to be a PvP zone. Get assigned to Mania or Dementia depending on which has the lower population and try to conquer the other side.

That could be really interesting and a good way to get people into PvP if this mode also has set builds to choose from, like different types of Daedra. Would really put everyone on the same field with only player skill mattering— assuming ZOS can balance the “classes” against each other.

I like this idea. I'm envisioning a Left 4 Dead style Zombie v Zombie thing where each side gets X amount of Daedroth, Clannfears, Healer Dremora, Spinners, etc. And just like L4D, you don't get to choose which one you get every respawn, keeping it random and fresh, and making sure that everyone is kept on their toes.

Soarora

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want the Shivering Isles to be a PvP zone. Get assigned to Mania or Dementia depending on which has the lower population and try to conquer the other side.

That could be really interesting and a good way to get people into PvP if this mode also has set builds to choose from, like different types of Daedra. Would really put everyone on the same field with only player skill mattering— assuming ZOS can balance the “classes” against each other.

I like this idea. I'm envisioning a Left 4 Dead style Zombie v Zombie thing where each side gets X amount of Daedroth, Clannfears, Healer Dremora, Spinners, etc. And just like L4D, you don't get to choose which one you get every respawn, keeping it random and fresh, and making sure that everyone is kept on their toes.

Yeah! That sounds really fun. I like games like that instead of having to stress over metas. I guess similar to Plants Versus Zombies: Garden Warfare too, though those let you choose your side (unless one side is full) and your type (no limits on type, though knowing ESO, making types be randomly selected might be better so that even if some are worse than others they still get played).

xylena_lazarow

Once the god of madness, now he sits at home base pining for the old days. What a tool. Sheo needs a buff.

Soarora

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Once the god of madness, now he sits at home base pining for the old days. What a tool. Sheo needs a buff.

And all his quests paint him more as a toddler who likes making cheese jokes than a scary unpredictable god.

prof-dracko

His Quests in S.Elsweyr and Grahtwood are pretty effectively sinister.

Hapexamendios

I'd prefer a story line not one involving Daedric princes for the next chapter.

Soarora

prof-dracko wrote: »

His Quests in S.Elsweyr and Grahtwood are pretty effectively sinister.

All I recall from Elsweyr was

giving him cream, rolling a yarn ball out the door, and him calling grilled cheese "looney", but I remember his switch-ups in Skyrim and Oblivion that made him so scary. So, if he did do anything sinister, it didn't hit right for me to remember or perhaps I was distracted by the "haha random x3" part of the quest.

Finedaible

I think if ESO took place after the events of TES IV Oblivion they may have been able to do something around Jyggalag returning to the picture but they are constrained to the 2nd era. Probably why they set up Ithelia the way they did, but there's still tons of other Daedric Princes which only rarely get exposure. I liked Mephala and the Spiral Skein, the ambiance felt a lot more sinister than Apocrypha did. Meridia has done some terrible things too despite commonly being associated with 'good' things, wouldn't mind knocking her down a peg for doing something to a certain someone...

Really kind of tired of Daedric conspiracies and cultists though.

prof-dracko

Soarora wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

His Quests in S.Elsweyr and Grahtwood are pretty effectively sinister.

All I recall from Elsweyr was

giving him cream, rolling a yarn ball out the door, and him calling grilled cheese "looney", but I remember his switch-ups in Skyrim and Oblivion that made him so scary. So, if he did do anything sinister, it didn't hit right for me to remember or perhaps I was distracted by the "haha random x3" part of the quest.

He engineered the slaughter of Southpoint and drove everyone in that Elsweyr monastery insane, some to the point of self-mutilation. For fun. The fact that he himself is so goofy and unassuming is part of the threat. You aren't meant to take him seriously until he has you convinced you're full of birds that need to be let out with a knife.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

prof-dracko wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

His Quests in S.Elsweyr and Grahtwood are pretty effectively sinister.

All I recall from Elsweyr was

giving him cream, rolling a yarn ball out the door, and him calling grilled cheese "looney", but I remember his switch-ups in Skyrim and Oblivion that made him so scary. So, if he did do anything sinister, it didn't hit right for me to remember or perhaps I was distracted by the "haha random x3" part of the quest.

He engineered the slaughter of Southpoint and drove everyone in that Elsweyr monastery insane, some to the point of self-mutilation. For fun. The fact that he himself is so goofy and unassuming is part of the threat. You aren't meant to take him seriously until he has you convinced you're full of birds that need to be let out with a knife.

Re: Monastery I distinctly recall people jumping off the building to their deaths too. And his Mages Guild questline has us bargaining for a woman’s sanity and soul.

I agree they should dial back the cheese references though, it’s a bit overdone.