Why do the chests in vet trials drop non perfected gear?

aleksandr_ESO

> It is only right that we get perfected gear from the chest so that our time doesn't feel wasted.

Can I give you a trifecta mount for your waste of time?

> It is not always easy to get a nice clean veteran trial run from using group finder.. Not everyone is in a pve guild.. Certainly not I as I find most of them to be quite toxic. No matter how many times you write in the description that you ask for people to know the mechanics of the trial.. some ignore the requirements, and try to get a free clear and carry. The hardest part of the trial can be the people whom you're grouped up. Often times you don't even get to clear it because people who claim to know the mechanics really don't...and they wipe the entire group as a result... perfect example is vLC the mirror mechanic... A lot of people still don't understand this.

if an abstract person does not go on raids, does not look for friends in guilds and does not play multiplayer content, then he does not need the best gear in the game. And then he doesn't have to humiliate himself by asking to be given it "for free".

> perfect example is vLC the mirror mechanic

when I wanted to collect a collection from a new trial, I watched the LFM channel in the only ESO discord server, wrote to people who were looking for players in the new one trial, I got links to 5 new servers doing open raids (raids in which anyone can participate), and now I go on about 5 raids a week. At first, these were semi-training raids with one run in 1.5 hours. Two weeks later, it became 2-3 runs of 35-45 minutes each. I didn't see a single toxic person there. All the people who wiped the group learned not to do it after 1-2 runs. The usual story. This is how it works in the human world.

moderatelyfatman

They should make Master chests drop perfected gear.

RaikaNA

aleksandr_ESO wrote: »

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Can I give you a trifecta mount for your waste of time?

If you're so generous, sure

if an abstract person does not go on raids, does not look for friends in guilds and does not play multiplayer content, then he does not need the best gear in the game. And then he doesn't have to humiliate himself by asking to be given it "for free".

I'm afraid you're misunderstanding my post.. I am attending raids, and I am using a group finder to partcipate in trials... I aint trying to say that I should get stuffs for free... I feel that in vet trials.. especially top tier chests should be dropping perfected gear/weapons.. I think it's terrible that only weapons gets dropped on the last boss. That's just too grindy. What is the purpose for this? To cause burn outs? That's not a good system.

aleksandr_ESO

RaikaNA wrote: »

I'm afraid you're misunderstanding my post.. I am attending raids, and I am using a group finder to partcipate in trials... I aint trying to say that I should get stuffs for free... I feel that in vet trials.. especially top tier chests should be dropping perfected gear/weapons.. I think it's terrible that only weapons gets dropped on the last boss. That's just too grindy. What is the purpose for this? To cause burn outs? That's not a good system.

I understood everything. But it's clear from your experience (compare it with mine) that you haven't tried to find good raids. You go with PUGs from group finder, and it's always like throwing a coin. You are looking for adventures, you get them, and based on this experience, you ask to put a perfect gear in the chests.
Look for discord servers hosting open raids. This is always a competent raid leader, relevant sets for support roles, regular participants.
MMO is always grind. And the ZOS even removed the ruthless RNG from the trials. You need to go to the trial for a maximum of 60 runs to get 4 complete perfect sets. You used to be able to go to HRC several times a week for a couple of years to loot Yokeda's daggers, but now only 60 runs in 4 full sets. It's crazy. But you ask to put perfect gear in the chests...

tom6143346

A nice compromise would be if the chest in vet trials would drop the normal gear but in the most used trait. That should be easy to know for Zos . That way you get something of value while you don’t have to use to much Transmut stones, if you are fine with using the normal gear. But perfected should only drop from bosses, it’s a reward for a bit of extra effort. Thank to stickerbook, you can farm the trial gear pretty fast during a double drop event anyway .

Naftal

They should just remove chests from veteran trials that have perfected gear.

That way people in pugs don't waste everyone's time by looting them.

alpha_synuclein

I wasn't here to see the SS chest farms, but I remember Snake farm in RG very well

So I'm not so sure about perf gear being good reward for vet chests.
But it would be nice to have something in them that would be worth stopping. Right now if you're in a group that can kill bosses and get perf items, there is no reason to stop for chests.

On the other hand, the whole perfected gear thingy is mostly symbolic and doesn't make difference big enough that would matter in anything short of trial trifectas. So the fact that perf gear would suddenly become available to less avid players won't change anything really.

RaikaNA

aleksandr_ESO wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

I'm afraid you're misunderstanding my post.. I am attending raids, and I am using a group finder to partcipate in trials... I aint trying to say that I should get stuffs for free... I feel that in vet trials.. especially top tier chests should be dropping perfected gear/weapons.. I think it's terrible that only weapons gets dropped on the last boss. That's just too grindy. What is the purpose for this? To cause burn outs? That's not a good system.

I understood everything. But it's clear from your experience (compare it with mine) that you haven't tried to find good raids. You go with PUGs from group finder, and it's always like throwing a coin. You are looking for adventures, you get them, and based on this experience, you ask to put a perfect gear in the chests.
Look for discord servers hosting open raids. This is always a competent raid leader, relevant sets for support roles, regular participants.
MMO is always grind. And the ZOS even removed the ruthless RNG from the trials. You need to go to the trial for a maximum of 60 runs to get 4 complete perfect sets. You used to be able to go to HRC several times a week for a couple of years to loot Yokeda's daggers, but now only 60 runs in 4 full sets. It's crazy. But you ask to put perfect gear in the chests...

I am on some of these discords that you speak of, and guess what? Most of the discords are now working on vLC HM that requires 110k+ DPS.. I don't have that kind of dps.. however it is close, thought. No matter how hard I try to get that kind of numbers on a trial parse dummy.,. I can never achieve that kind of dps... My rotation is not bad either.

60 runs is quite a lot and way too grindy and a good way to create burn outs. Chests in trials are there for the convenience purpose.. its there to help you to get your gear faster. It makes sense that chests from vet trials drop perfected gear.

Jaimeh

To motivate you to complete the trial, and replay it. Also, you can invite anyone at the end of the trial and if the chests haven't been opened, they can loot them when they join the group and travel to the instance, so having perfected gear there would mean anyone could get invited and get it (yes, I know carries exist but why add another avenue for getting loot without effort).

kargen27

TaSheen wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

It'd be nice if the chests dropped more or better stuff, at least. Or maybe only a Master chest could drop a perfected piece, which would make it more random and tough to farm.

Actually, doing vLC for the past few days it seems like the Master chests drop extra loot as it is, I think I got like 5 non-perfected pieces from one Master chest.

Uh.... that sounds like a bug?

A couple of players in our group also got four or five. They had the treasure hu

alpha_synuclein wrote: »

I wasn't here to see the SS chest farms, but I remember Snake farm in RG very well

So I'm not so sure about perf gear being good reward for vet chests.
But it would be nice to have something in them that would be worth stopping. Right now if you're in a group that can kill bosses and get perf items, there is no reason to stop for chests.

On the other hand, the whole perfected gear thingy is mostly symbolic and doesn't make difference big enough that would matter in anything short of trial trifectas. So the fact that perf gear would suddenly become available to less avid players won't change anything really.

Our group decides ahead of time if we are going to loot or not. Basically it comes down to if we are trying to get someone a speed run we don't loot anything otherwise it all gets looted. Heavy sacks, corpses, containers, chests, everything. Sometimes you get something decent sometimes you do not.
I wouldn't mind a chance for better drops from vet trial chests but I think the perfected weapons should remain exclusive to boss kills.

RaikaNA

Jaimeh wrote: »

To motivate you to complete the trial, and replay it. Also, you can invite anyone at the end of the trial and if the chests haven't been opened, they can loot them when they join the group and travel to the instance, so having perfected gear there would mean anyone could get invited and get it (yes, I know carries exist but why add another avenue for getting loot without effort).

Does that motivation comes with a negative effect of burn out? There is nothing wrong with getting your gear fast... it encourges people to explore new build concept rather than feel restricted on what they can do in the game. Some people need jewlery and weapons to complete the build... and with that only being restricted to the last boss is quite cringy.

Not everyone can no life the trial and joining these discords is not the solution either because once they complete the new trial and obtain all the gear that they need... they form core groups to start doing HM and eventually completing the trifectia. It no longer becomes a gear farming run for them. Its an achievement run.

alpha_synuclein

kargen27 wrote: »

Our group decides ahead of time if we are going to loot or not. Basically it comes down to if we are trying to get someone a speed run we don't loot anything otherwise it all gets looted. Heavy sacks, corpses, containers, chests, everything. Sometimes you get something decent sometimes you do not.
I wouldn't mind a chance for better drops from vet trial chests but I think the perfected weapons should remain exclusive to boss kills.

Most of mine don't bother while we're clearing, but there is usually an option to go back after we're done. I remember going back and looting everything in Rockgrove for quite a bit. I got some cool paintings from all the urns and pots there, but chests were underwhelming. If you know you get the perf gear during progression anyway, why stop for normal?

alpha_synuclein

RaikaNA wrote: »

Not everyone can no life the trial and joining these discords is not the solution either because once they complete the new trial and obtain all the gear that they need... they form core groups to start doing HM and eventually completing the trifectia. It no longer becomes a gear farming run for them. Its an achievement run.

If we're talking big public servers, their farm runs come in waves. Right now people are getting excited playing the new content and just want to push further and see what's behind the corner

But once the chapter is discounted and then when the zone event with double drops kicks in, there will be more farm runs again.
Same when the current chapter goes into eso+ next year.

jle30303

The trouble is, the *more* dungeons and trials get added to the game, the *more* things there are that you have to end up doing literally 45 runs of ALL OF THEM to get what you want.

Not actually fun.

How many runs of Maelstrom Arena does it take to sticker all the weapons from the regular outfits in there? And those outfits aren't even optimal - there's no good reason to gate them as "weapon and jewelry only from the final boss". For Malacath's sake, let us "finish those out" faster.

And let us get curated Perfected gear INCLUDING WEAPONS AND JEWELS from all the trial bosses, not just the last one.

Maybe the final boss can give us *guaranteed gold quality* Perfected gear, instead of purple quality.

RaikaNA

jle30303 wrote: »

The trouble is, the *more* dungeons and trials get added to the game, the *more* things there are that you have to end up doing literally 45 runs of ALL OF THEM to get what you want.

Not actually fun.

How many runs of Maelstrom Arena does it take to sticker all the weapons from the regular outfits in there? And those outfits aren't even optimal - there's no good reason to gate them as "weapon and jewelry only from the final boss". For Malacath's sake, let us "finish those out" faster.

And let us get curated Perfected gear INCLUDING WEAPONS AND JEWELS from all the trial bosses, not just the last one.

Maybe the final boss can give us *guaranteed gold quality* Perfected gear, instead of purple quality.

Exactly! It does becomes painful to repeat the same dungeon/trial over and over again again without getting much result because theirs 2 additional sets that are in the trial/dungeon. The whole point of playing games is to have fun, and when you're wasting time doing the content, and not getting what you want is frusterating.

tom6143346

Just go for further achievements like trifecta attempts and your stickerbook will fill in no time , other then that you don’t need the perfected version anyways and even for trifecta attempts the normal gear version is enough. And besides a full stickerbook you will have a lot of fun as well and maybe even a new mount .

RaikaNA

tom6143346 wrote: »

Just go for further achievements like trifecta attempts and your stickerbook will fill in no time , other then that you don’t need the perfected version anyways and even for trifecta attempts the normal gear version is enough. And besides a full stickerbook you will have a lot of fun as well and maybe even a new mount .

Please show me a sucessful trifecta log that shows that everyone (Including healers and tanks) wearing "Normal" non perfected gear.. I bet there is none. It does annoy me when people tell others that they don't need the perfected version when they themselves are probably using it.

In every veteran trial that I've logged.. the top dps that did the most damage was using perfected gear.

Charlesce

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but in general, expecting the best gear type in the entire game (perfected) to come on a silver platter for opening a chest is an incredibly entitled mindset. There are no participation trophies (thank the Eight).

Thysbe

You already get perfected, curated gear without killing the endboss, just a part of it is gated. So it´s easy enough to get a full body set without ever kiling an endboss.

Btw. it is not true, that all trifecta groups run only perfected gear - current vLC set ups include Azureblight quite often which is a Dungeon set so there is no perfected version.

When I want to fill my stickerbook I put in the effort. If it gets tiresome or boring I fight my FOMO/completionist tendencies and take a break. I would still "need" Coral Riptide Daggers but can´t bring myseld to PUG vDSA ;-). Well, then it is like that and I run another set up I have available. If a raidlead demands having specific perfected weapons for a vet non HM content that is just ridiculous and I am out.

Ph1p

RaikaNA wrote: »

tom6143346 wrote: »

Just go for further achievements like trifecta attempts and your stickerbook will fill in no time , other then that you don’t need the perfected version anyways and even for trifecta attempts the normal gear version is enough. And besides a full stickerbook you will have a lot of fun as well and maybe even a new mount .

Please show me a sucessful trifecta log that shows that everyone (Including healers and tanks) wearing "Normal" non perfected gear.. I bet there is none. It does annoy me when people tell others that they don't need the perfected version when they themselves are probably using it.

In every veteran trial that I've logged.. the top dps that did the most damage was using perfected gear.

First, it shouldn't come as a surprise that people attempting the absolute hardest content of the game (trifecta runs) are optimizing everything they can. Are you trying to do trifecta runs or why do those matter here?

Second, regular veteran is much more open. I just randomly opened the newest vDSR clear on top of the ESO Logs list and there were 4 players not wearing any perfected trial gear on the final boss (tank, Oakensorc, Z'en DK, EC necro).

Third, look at the logs more closely. Many players are wearing perfected gear on body pieces only, which are collected much more quickly. In fact, only one of the 8 DDs in the log I mentioned was using perfected jewelry and weapons. They are nice to have and give you more build flexibility, but definitely not a must outside of the most try-hard groups in the game.

C_Inside

Chests should most definitely drop perfected gear. I don't even understand why y'all are arguing over this. Like you're literally arguing that the game should be more tedious and annoying. How is this fun exactly?

Running a trial for the 1st time is a lot of fun. Learning the layout, taking in the visuals, and experiencing the bosses is genuinely fun. Running a trial a few times is also fun. Figuring out the mechanics and not dying to that one annoying attack anymore is rewarding. But how is running the same trial over and over and over and over and over again, literally doing the exact same thing 50+ times fun? Please someone explain this to me.

If the argument is that having perfected gear in chests would make people run vet trials less frequently, then why is it OK to have normal gear in chests in their normal versions? Surely the same argument could be applied to their normal versions, yet no one bats an eye. "Oh you could cheese chests in vet Sunspire at one point" you could also do that in the normal version as well, no? Why is it OK on normal and not on vet?

If you're trying to argue that having perfected gear in chests would devalue them then consider the fact that you'd still have to kill the bosses to get curated drops. Yes, there's a chance that you'd be able to get a perfected weapon you don't have in a chest, but you'd be just as likely to get something you already have. Chests aren't curated, remember. You'd still have to run the trials multiple times, but it would be a hell of a lot less tedious and therefore a hell of a lot more fun.

Again, please someone explain to me how arguing that vet trials should be more tedious and annoying to farm is making them more fun.

Ishtarknows

RaikaNA wrote: »

tom6143346 wrote: »

Just go for further achievements like trifecta attempts and your stickerbook will fill in no time , other then that you don’t need the perfected version anyways and even for trifecta attempts the normal gear version is enough. And besides a full stickerbook you will have a lot of fun as well and maybe even a new mount .

Please show me a sucessful trifecta log that shows that everyone (Including healers and tanks) wearing "Normal" non perfected gear.. I bet there is none. It does annoy me when people tell others that they don't need the perfected version when they themselves are probably using it.

In every veteran trial that I've logged.. the top dps that did the most damage was using perfected gear.

Not the person you're replying to, but in order to get to the point of trying a trifecta you've got to have completed the hard mode. So along your journey towards that end goal you're likely to have picked up the perfected gear you want/need.

RaikaNA

Charlesce wrote: »

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but in general, expecting the best gear type in the entire game (perfected) to come on a silver platter for opening a chest is an incredibly entitled mindset. There are no participation trophies (thank the Eight).

Here's the problem with that statement... DLCs and expansions aren't free... we have to pay for it with REAL LIFE money. I sub this game including purchasing expansions... Gold road costed me $49.99 for the Deluxe upgrade so yeah I feel that I am entitled to the perfected sets in vLC because I paid for it LOL.

Thats like me telling you after you purchased a highly expensive gaming pc that you're not entitled to experience max performance of your brand new computer.

Charlesce

RaikaNA wrote: »

Charlesce wrote: »

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but in general, expecting the best gear type in the entire game (perfected) to come on a silver platter for opening a chest is an incredibly entitled mindset. There are no participation trophies (thank the Eight).

Here's the problem with that statement... DLCs and expansions aren't free... we have to pay for it with REAL LIFE money. I sub this game including purchasing expansions... Gold road costed me $49.99 for the Deluxe upgrade so yeah I feel that I am entitled to the perfected sets in vLC because I paid for it LOL.

Thats like me telling you after you purchased a highly expensive gaming pc that you're not entitled to experience max performance of your brand new computer.

So you're saying pay-to-win is the way to go? 49.99 gets you the DLC, Blood, sweat and tears gets you perfected. That's like saying because you pre-ordered Call of Duty you deserve lvl 10 prestige and all weapon unlocks without having played a single match. (heh, call of duty lol). I'm sorry but this way of thinking is entitled.

Who knows, maybe my way of thinking is Stockholm Syndrome, but I don't think so, I think I think the best things in life (or games) ought not to be handed out for free, or because someone has a bigger real life wallet than the next person. I also think if everything was unlocked for doing nothing, we'd 100% the game in a couple hundred hours, which is a death sentence for an MMO and it's community

Silaf

It's simple. We need to suffer. This is what make our collection meaningful.

Charlesce

Silaf wrote: »

It's simple. We need to suffer. This is what make our collection meaningful.

Where should the line be drawn then? Should people get Godslayer for entering Sunspire for the first time? If the point is "gamers shouldn't have to put in blood sweat and tears for the juiciest, best stuff" where do we draw the line? Is it only regarding gear you can wear? Should skins be exempt from requiring effort? Or should you get Dro-m'Athra skin for opening your first chest in Maw of Lorkhaj? Should trifectas be reduced to completing the trial on normal with any amount of deaths in any amount of time even if it's a 50 hour run?

Rewards are rewards. Some rewards are gratis, meant to give you a treat. Other rewards are meant to be earned

Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people you're stomping on with this suggestion who had to earn theirs the hard (right) way? Key word here is earn