Shouldn't chapter purchases come with some crowns?

CrazyKitty

Do you think new chapter purchases should come with some crowns?

I think for a $40 upgrade, which is the least expensive option, we should get some crowns too. Not a lot of crowns, but 3k for the upgrade and 5k with deluxe edition would be fair IMO.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yes

I would make it so you get 4 crates with the standard edition and 15 with the deluxe edition, that would make up for the cost.

Danikat

I'd prefer them to reduce the price rather than tacking on more random extras to justify it. My other MMO has similarly sized expansions and they're around £10 cheaper.

If they did want to include more stuff instead I suppose crowns would be better than specific items which are unlikely to appeal to everyone (and definitely better than crates which is just random items with extra steps to claim it). But in the highly unlikely event that ZOS agree the chapters are currently over priced I think reducing the price to something reasonable would be the best solution.

Nharimlur_Finor

lol.

Bradyfjord

Yes

I think a few crowns makes sense. Maybe 1 or 2 K or so. It fits in with the idea of the ESO+ which is also a cash purchase and comes with a few crowns. Most of the stuff in the store is fluff anyway, so why not?

AzuraFan

No

Danikat wrote: »

I'd prefer them to reduce the price rather than tacking on more random extras to justify it.

I agree. I already get crowns through my ESO+ sub and haven't spent any yet from this year. I'd rather the price of the upgrade be reduced.

JustLovely

Yes

Absolutely. Any time we spend money on the game we should get some crowns. Not a lot, but some. Crowns are not real money and it would cost ZOS nothing to throw a bone to us when we give them real money. ...especially given as much as ZOS charges for their products compared to their competitors.

Gray_howling_parrot

Yes

I think that'd be a welcome change for sure - something akin to how WoW players get trader's tender (a new in game earnable monthly rewards shop currency) when they do similar purchases. Sounds good to me!

VisitHammerfell

Yes

I would like 4 crates for regular edition and 15 crates for deluxe, but 'free' crowns would be cool. I think the price is fine, I get way more hours out of chapters than some $70+ AAA game.

oldbobdude

No

Why?

reazea

Yes

Of course they should. There are items in the crown store like bank and bag expansions that new players could really benefit from, and a few crowns would give them access to ways to expand their account as needed.

LunaFlora

No

reazea wrote: »

Of course they should. There are items in the crown store like bank and bag expansions that new players could really benefit from, and a few crowns would give them access to ways to expand their account as needed.

bank and bag expanions are available for gold at Bankers and Pack Merchants.
you do not have to use crowns for that.

AlterBlika

No

You pay money for new content (new sets, skyshards, new trials, new quests, new mechanics). Can't see why they should give you crowns tbh

Nathrai

No

I think the though is a bit short sighted.

Crowns are one of the ways for ZOS to actually make an income - to pay employees, buy hardware, finance PR.

So, in the end, people buying crowns is actually beneficial for the rest of us.

Giving away Crowns every time someone buys a chapter means they would have to get that income elsewhere. Raising ESO+ prices, raising chapter prices, raising Crown Store prices.

In the end you wouldn't get any more worth out of this, but some people may no longer be able to get ESO+/chapters at the higher price.


Of course everybody would love to get something for free (or more bang for their buck), but in this case it wouldn't actually benefit the average player in the long run.

reazea

Yes

LunaFlora wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Of course they should. There are items in the crown store like bank and bag expansions that new players could really benefit from, and a few crowns would give them access to ways to expand their account as needed.

bank and bag expanions are available for gold at Bankers and Pack Merchants.
you do not have to use crowns for that.

New players don't have any gold yet to work with, but they do need more bag and bank space.

Azphira

Dear lord, how is Microsoft supposed to get to 4 trillion by frivolously giving away crowns?

alternatelder

No

The crown store isn't connected to the chapter except for optional cosmetics. Why should you be entitled to more when the preorder already offers mounts, emotes, mementos and more?

EdjeSwift

No

reazea wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Of course they should. There are items in the crown store like bank and bag expansions that new players could really benefit from, and a few crowns would give them access to ways to expand their account as needed.

bank and bag expanions are available for gold at Bankers and Pack Merchants.
you do not have to use crowns for that.

New players don't have any gold yet to work with, but they do need more bag and bank space.

I don't think you quite understand what you're arguing for here.

First of all, this is the bag upgrade cost for gold, taken from UESP:


This is the cost in CROWNS:


So, at what point is it better to spend the equivalent of ~$10.00 USD instead of playing the game and getting some gold? New players would be better off learning the game and earning the gold rather than dropping the $80 for the bag space upgrades. Sure, caveat emptor is a thing, but saying this is a viable reason to add crowns to a chapter purpose is perhaps not the best thought out argument.

Nathrai

No

Azphira wrote: »

Dear lord, how is Microsoft supposed to get to 4 trillion by frivolously giving away crowns?

You DO realize that this isn't about MS making money, but ZOS? And that MS would give ZOS the Tango Gameworks treatment if they no longer brought in money, yes?

[Edited for bashing]

fizzylu

Yes

Or even endeavors. Some other games with a form of cash shop/cosmetic focused in-game currency have been doing this or recently started to. I actually think that out of all the MMOs+live service games I currently actively play, ESO is the only one that hasn't seen this change.... which is extra sad since when it comes to the big "triple A" MMOs, it's already the one with the smallest chapters/expansions and ultimately the least worth it's price tag.

Araneae6537

No

Why should you get Crowns with a chapter purchase? They could offer a package deal or “ultimate edition” or something I suppose. Beyond ESO+, I make most of my Crown purchases on sale.

SaffronCitrusflower

Yes

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Why should you get Crowns with a chapter purchase? They could offer a package deal or “ultimate edition” or something I suppose. Beyond ESO+, I make most of my Crown purchases on sale.

Because chapters are very expensive, that's why. ESO costs notably more than any other game in the same genre. We should be getting more for our money.

As of last year we are now getting half the annual new content yearly, but they're still charging the same prices for half what we used to get. It's baffling how so many players seem to be fine with this.

Araneae6537

No

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Why should you get Crowns with a chapter purchase? They could offer a package deal or “ultimate edition” or something I suppose. Beyond ESO+, I make most of my Crown purchases on sale.

Because chapters are very expensive, that's why. ESO costs notably more than any other game in the same genre. We should be getting more for our money.

As of last year we are now getting half the annual new content yearly, but they're still charging the same prices for half what we used to get. It's baffling how so many players seem to be fine with this.

The chapter was always just the chapter itself — not additional dungeons or other DLC, so we’re not being charged more for less. If you want to argue that some of the chapter have been less, or worse, that’s a different matter (and indeed my interest in a chapter is a large part of whether I preorder or wait to get it on sale).

vsrs_au

EdjeSwift wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Of course they should. There are items in the crown store like bank and bag expansions that new players could really benefit from, and a few crowns would give them access to ways to expand their account as needed.

bank and bag expanions are available for gold at Bankers and Pack Merchants.
you do not have to use crowns for that.

New players don't have any gold yet to work with, but they do need more bag and bank space.

I don't think you quite understand what you're arguing for here.

First of all, this is the bag upgrade cost for gold, taken from UESP:


This is the cost in CROWNS:


So, at what point is it better to spend the equivalent of ~$10.00 USD instead of playing the game and getting some gold? New players would be better off learning the game and earning the gold rather than dropping the $80 for the bag space upgrades. Sure, caveat emptor is a thing, but saying this is a viable reason to add crowns to a chapter purpose is perhaps not the best thought out argument.

and given that the exchange rate for gold to crowns is normally at least 1500:1, that makes buying bag space upgrades with gold a helluva lot cheaper.

amig186

Yes

I wouldn't say no to that, but frankly I'd prefer if it came with a month of eso+ so I could just play the new content without the f2p restrictions. Those already subbed could have theirs extended by a month and the payment cycle moved a month forward

alpha_synuclein

Yes

Nathrai wrote: »

I think the though is a bit short sighted.

Crowns are one of the ways for ZOS to actually make an income - to pay employees, buy hardware, finance PR.

So, in the end, people buying crowns is actually beneficial for the rest of us.

Giving away Crowns every time someone buys a chapter means they would have to get that income elsewhere. Raising ESO+ prices, raising chapter prices, raising Crown Store prices.

In the end you wouldn't get any more worth out of this, but some people may no longer be able to get ESO+/chapters at the higher price.


Of course everybody would love to get something for free (or more bang for their buck), but in this case it wouldn't actually benefit the average player in the long run.

Freebies could also be a way to encourage players that usually don't buy crowns to get some after using the ones they get with the chapter.
Just like free eso+ weeks promote the benefits of subscription.

Zachary_Shadow

Yes

Although I've said yes, I agree with the previous post that I'd rather them just reduce the price. Chapters have seemingly been getting less and less content year after year that has made it difficult for me to make the $40 price tag worth it, in my opinion. I play ESO mainly for the story, so new dungeons were never something I looked forward to and now that they have moved away from a Story DLC in Q4, chapters are the only content I really have to look forward to.

High Isle was the worst offender for lack of content (mainly because of Tales of Tribute) and, although this year's chapter is packed with the new Scribing system, the world of West Weald seems sparse with less and less homes to enter/break into, containers that aren't openable, etc.

chessalavakia_ESO

No

I think that would cannibalize Crown Sales.

My impression is the Crown Store is aimed primarily at new players and players that spend boatloads of $.

If you give me 3,000 Crowns, I would be saving them for the next time I want something because I don't really want anything right now which would rob you of future crown sales.

GooGa592

Yes

For the money, new chapters should absolutely come with some crowns. Either that or bring down the prices by 20-40%.

whitecrow

Yes

Sure but like Dani I would prefer the price come down.

ProudMary

Yes

Yes. New chapters should come with some crowns too. A token allotment of crowns would actually end up in more crown too because it would get people looking into the crown store to see what they could buy with their crowns, and how they'll have to buy more crowns to get the items they're really going to want.