[SUGGESTION] Chariot instead of a mount

AnduinTryggva · June 10

I've just came across a horse that was dressed up for pulling a coach or similar.

Why not use this model to give players the possibility to travel the roads via a chariot or so? Would be an innovative concept for much of the MMO world as far as I know and would offer new options to decorate that chariot...

LunaFlora · June 10

that would be so cool

SilverBride · June 10

Please, no.

Syldras · June 10

I still want a palanquin.

ArchangelIsraphel · June 10

I liked that model- it's harness and other tack aren't quite accurate for a chariot though. A wagon or coach however, yes.

You do see modern chariot drivers using these types of harnesses, but if we get chariots, I want ZOS to go full on Ben-Hur.

I WOULD love a chariot, however, with the proper harness. A single-horse chariot would be best for Tamriel's roads, but my inner Roman history fan reaaaallly wants a four horse chariot >.>

In Assassins Creed: Origins, you had the ability to drive and race chariots. Possibly one of the most fun things I've ever done in a game.

I'd LOVE a chariot-racing mini-game done in a coliseum-like environment. I wouldn't put it past the Imperials to imbibe in such entertainment, given that they're heavily based on Rome.

(ETA To add: The smaller Egyptian style chariots might work better, since they'd be less obtrusive)

LaintalAy · June 10

How will this benefit anyone?

TheMajority · June 10

+1 for chariots please

SilverBride · June 10

Chariots do not fit any of the styles anywhere in Tamriel and would look completely out of place.

Syldras · June 10

SilverBride wrote: »

Chariots do not fit any of the styles anywhere in Tamriel and would look completely out of place.

Imperials?

SilverBride · June 10

Syldras wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Chariots do not fit any of the styles anywhere in Tamriel and would look completely out of place.

Imperials?

I've never seen the Imperial race using chariots.

Syldras · June 10

SilverBride wrote: »

I've never seen the Imperial race using chariots.

Not yet. But we've also never seen a mechanical Dwemer horse before they released one to the crown store.

Also, you said it wouldn't fit the style of any of Tamriel's cultures. I disagree. Imperials are so strongly Roman-inspired that it would definitively fit their style.

SilverBride · June 10

Syldras wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I've never seen the Imperial race using chariots.

Not yet. But we've also never seen a mechanical Dwemer horse before they released one to the crown store.

Also, you said it wouldn't fit the style of any of Tamriel's cultures. I disagree. Imperials are so strongly Roman-inspired that it would definitively fit their style.

But Dwemer and horses both already existed in Tamriel. Chariots seem really out of place.

ArchangelIsraphel · June 10

There is actually a few obscure references to Chariots in the Elder Scrolls lore being used by the Ra-Gada.

Mention of their push into High Rock using war chariots here: https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Ra_Gada

In the Elder Scrolls Online, there is a book called "Prince Hew and the Haj Mota Chariot". Although it is said to be a fictional book written sometime after the death of Prince Hubalajad by Redguard author Hafzifeh al-Yath, it references the Ra-Gada using war chariots.

Lore Book: https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Prince_Hew_and_the_Haj_Mota_Chariot

Although not frequently mentioned, the fact that mention of Chariots is present at all suggests the existence of war chariots in the Elder Scrolls universe and the possibility of the technology spreading to the Imperials.

SilverBride · June 10

Chariots were used on Earth in ancient times but we don't see them now. I would find it extremely immersion breaking to see players running around in chariots.

Syldras · June 10

SilverBride wrote: »

But Dwemer and horses both already existed in Tamriel. Chariots seem really out of place.

Horses exist and I'm quite sure that with their technical knowledge, the Imperials could easily design and build chariots.

There are weird mounts in the crown store that no npc ever uses all the time. I think chariots would be less lore-breaking then riding a bear made of green jelly, a burning wolf, a "Soulrazer Guar", or these weird things:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/File:ON-crown_store-Mystical_Quasigriff.jpg
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/File:ON-crown_store-Reefborn_Wolf.jpg
Even the "Order of the Lamp Vvardvark" makes less sense - why would Great House Telvanni sell their special creation to the Mages Guild?

ArchangelIsraphel · June 10

SilverBride wrote: »

Chariots were used on Earth in ancient times but we don't see them now. I would find it extremely immersion breaking to see players running around in chariots.

I just posted a couple references to them being used by the Ra-Gada in the Elder scrolls universe during times of war. They're actually a part of the lore.

LunaFlora · June 10

Syldras wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

But Dwemer and horses both already existed in Tamriel. Chariots seem really out of place.

Horses exist and I'm quite sure that with their technical knowledge, the Imperials could easily design and build chariots.

There are weird mounts in the crown store that no npc ever uses all the time. I think chariots would be less lore-breaking then riding a bear made of green jelly, a burning wolf, a "Soulrazer Guar", or these weird things:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/File:ON-crown_store-Mystical_Quasigriff.jpg
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/File:ON-crown_store-Reefborn_Wolf.jpg
Even the "Order of the Lamp Vvardvark" makes less sense - why would Great House Telvanni sell their special creation to the Mages Guild?

while npcs dont use most of those the Reefborn creatures are in Coral Aerie
and the Blazeborn Wolf is as a Flame Hound native to the Deadlands and they're often with Waking Flame cultists so they're not just crown store creations.

SilverBride · June 10

Then only Imperials should be able to use them.

Syldras · June 10

SilverBride wrote: »

Then only Imperials should be able to use them.

Why would an individual not be able to learn to use something from a different culture? Should the musical instrument emotes only be available to player characters of the culture that invented them? How about furniture crafting?

oldbobdude · June 10

I’d drive mine off a cliff.

SilverBride · June 10

Syldras wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Then only Imperials should be able to use them.

Why would an individual not be able to learn to use something from a different culture? Should the musical instrument emotes only be available to player characters of the culture that invented them? How about furniture crafting?

If not even the Imperials in this game have chariots how would other cultures know about them?

FabresFour · June 10

SilverBride wrote: »

Then only Imperials should be able to use them.

That doesn't make any sense, SilverBride, sorry. What appears or doesn't appear in the game should not be a limit to what we will have access to in the future or not. Even the cities change according to the interpretation of each of the developers working on the project, the concept behind the entire franchise. We have mentions of chariots in fictional books within this universe, including Jode's Chariot, this implies that it exist in this universe, for it to be mentioned. When we are on Gold Road, for example, we don't see everything that exists on Gold Road, we see what the developers had the time and resources to develop on Gold Road, but it is still an interpretation of it.

If chariots are mentioned within this universe, then it may appear in some future content. it's a possibility. It's like capes: Capes are mentioned in books, they are displayed on statues in basically all of Tamriel. Even so, we don't have capes as a player - solely and exclusively due to the company's limited resources and time. Within this universe, capes and cloaks exist, even if it are not being carried by players.

Saying that "it doesn't make sense"... Sorry, but there are much worse things at the crown store. Really worse and immersion breaking stuff. Dwemer mounts are an aberration, considering how rare Dwemer technology must be on Tamriel due to the prejudice of Tamriel's races towards Dwemer technology. (I mean, to the point of having a FUNCTIONAL HORSE walking around? It is revolting).
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Or even the jester "mounts". Are you going to say that that's part of the "style of the game"?

Honestly, we're talking about a game that constantly "changes style" - and that's a good thing.

SilverBride · June 10

Has anyone considered what would be pulling the chariot? And how much longer the chariot and the animal pulling it would be compared to just a character on a mount? And that it would require a new animation for the player, i.e. standing rather than sitting? And more importantly, just how out of place this would look?

A chariot isn't even a mount, anyway. It's a vehicle.

TheMajority · June 10

well judging by the gold road and all the dams with sticks in the rivers we got beavers galore but I never did see any beaver in tamriel so if we got invisible beavers then we got potential imperial chariots we just ain't seen yet.

ArchangelIsraphel · June 10

SilverBride wrote: »

Has anyone considered what would be pulling the chariot? And how much longer the chariot and the animal pulling it would be compared to just a character on a mount? And that it would require a new animation for the player, i.e. standing rather than sitting? And more importantly, just how out of place this would look?

A chariot isn't even a mount, anyway. It's a vehicle.

Personally, I envision horses.

Having used chariots in other games, it's a bit more than double the length of the horse pulling it. Some might find that a drawback or impractical, I personally don't, but then again, I'm an addict for ancient Rome. Thus my love for Imperials.

Porportions of a chariot from AC: Origins for reference:

The entire thing would definitely need new animations, especially the horses, since we have no real pulling animation.

I understand you aren't interested in the idea, and that's totally okay. But lets be honest though- we all know they likely won't give us chariots because it would be pretty difficult to implement. We're just dreaming, having fun, and sharing ideas. I like the fact that lore-wise, it's not impossible, and just find the discussion of those concepts interesting. No harm in sharing our enthusiasm for different ideas being introduced to the game.

vsrs_au · June 11

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Has anyone considered what would be pulling the chariot? And how much longer the chariot and the animal pulling it would be compared to just a character on a mount? And that it would require a new animation for the player, i.e. standing rather than sitting? And more importantly, just how out of place this would look?

A chariot isn't even a mount, anyway. It's a vehicle.

Personally, I envision horses.

Having used chariots in other games, it's a bit more than double the length of the horse pulling it. Some might find that a drawback or impractical, I personally don't, but then again, I'm an addict for ancient Rome. Thus my love for Imperials.

Porportions of a chariot from AC: Origins for reference:

The entire thing would definitely need new animations, especially the horses, since we have no real pulling animation.

I understand you aren't interested in the idea, and that's totally okay. But lets be honest though- we all know they likely won't give us chariots because it would be pretty difficult to implement. We're just dreaming, having fun, and sharing ideas. I like the fact that lore-wise, it's not impossible, and just find the discussion of those concepts interesting. No harm in sharing our enthusiasm for different ideas being introduced to the game.

Some people aren't even interested in discussing unusual proposals for the game. When I raised a similar thread not long ago, saying it would be interesting to have extra large mounts (mammoths or silt striders), I was basically shut down by one of the forum long-term regulars. Sometimes it's good to discuss unusual ideas, even if they're not particularly practicable.

ArchangelIsraphel · June 11

vsrs_au wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Has anyone considered what would be pulling the chariot? And how much longer the chariot and the animal pulling it would be compared to just a character on a mount? And that it would require a new animation for the player, i.e. standing rather than sitting? And more importantly, just how out of place this would look?

A chariot isn't even a mount, anyway. It's a vehicle.

Personally, I envision horses.

Having used chariots in other games, it's a bit more than double the length of the horse pulling it. Some might find that a drawback or impractical, I personally don't, but then again, I'm an addict for ancient Rome. Thus my love for Imperials.

Porportions of a chariot from AC: Origins for reference:

The entire thing would definitely need new animations, especially the horses, since we have no real pulling animation.

I understand you aren't interested in the idea, and that's totally okay. But lets be honest though- we all know they likely won't give us chariots because it would be pretty difficult to implement. We're just dreaming, having fun, and sharing ideas. I like the fact that lore-wise, it's not impossible, and just find the discussion of those concepts interesting. No harm in sharing our enthusiasm for different ideas being introduced to the game.

Some people aren't even interested in discussing unusual proposals for the game. When I raised a similar thread not long ago, saying it would be interesting to have extra large mounts (mammoths or silt striders), I was basically shut down by one of the forum long-term regulars. Sometimes it's good to discuss unusual ideas, even if they're not particularly practicable.

I was sad about that thread going south. I personally wanted the mammoths. I loved elephant-type mounts in other games.

Whenever I see threads like this, I personally see them as a fun forum game and an exercise in imagination. Just a wish list of wild things people would love to have for a certain characters story, and a way to have fun with other forum members.

SilverBride · June 11

It's more than me just not being interested. I find these to be completely out of place and immersion breaking. This would ruin the aesthetics of the game for me.

TheMajority · June 11

I want one of this as a multi-seat guild mount

TaSheen · June 11

I'd like chariots, those would be really fun! I remember the race in Ben Hur (the original one, in case there's been a redo at some point) - looked like a lot of fun, but dangerous.

Remember Daggerfall? We could drive a wagon....

AnduinTryggva · June 11

SilverBride wrote: »

It's more than me just not being interested. I find these to be completely out of place and immersion breaking. This would ruin the aesthetics of the game for me.

For me the shiny glowing mounts are already immersion breaking...

Or all the appearances that some of the folks so much love.

I understand that ppl have different views on what is immersive for them and what not even if I have difficulty to see why it is immersion-breaking to have chariots. It is a heavily medieval-inspired RPG and we have already some furniture items that are pretty close to a chariot

https://eso-hub.com/en/furniture/solitude-cart-work

https://eso-hub.com/de/furniture/dunkelelfischer-karren-handler