Why wasn't a Lion used for one of the luminaries in the scribing questline?

FelisCatus

I found it odd that the gryphon and dragon, which are emblems for two of the alliances, were included, but there was no lion for the third. I also really like the chimera in the game, and I felt that the netch was an unusual choice for one of the luminaries. While I understand the symbolic representations of each luminary, having a gryphon and a dragon without a lion felt off.

The Indrik makes sense, though it's strange that we get two creatures representing Ebonheart (dragon and netch) and two for the Dominion (indrik and gryphon). I know that the luminaries are meant to symbolize the nature of magic, as mentioned by each luminary when you ask them about eachother's personality. It's very clear they represent interpretations of how magic and power should be wielded and what is should be used for. So yes I know the luminaries aren't supposed to represent the alliances. You could say it was conincidence or they just picked "magic creatures" for the luminaries although I wouldn't say netchs, crows or foxes are necessarily magical innately. The Gryphon, Dragon and Indrik are typically depicted as more magical. I guess you could argue that a lion on it's own doesn't represent anything magical much like the crow, fox and netch. Although still would of been nice to nod to the alliances and logo.

I appreciate how the chimera represents the three alliances (and the three elements of Elder Scrolls magicka, especially if you have the statue furnishing from the druidic furnishing bundle. Gryphon depicted frost, wamasu depicted lightning and lion depicted fire.) I also enjoy how the three creatures symbolize not only the alliances but also the game's logo and the spirit of the game, as seen in the logo's constant presence. These subtle nods to the game's themes and motifs make everything feel connected to the main quest line and alliance war, which has been the overarching theme for ten years.

In conclusion, I would have loved for one of the luminaries to be a lion. Did anyone else find it strange that it wasn't include or is it just me?

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I didn’t really find it strange, because the Luminaries predate the Alliances by quite a bit.

FelisCatus

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Not really, because the Luminaries predate the Alliances by quite a bit.

So does the Chimera from Galen but it still represents the 3 creatures of each alliance.

TaSheen

FelisCatus wrote: »

I found it odd that the gryphon and dragon, which are emblems for two of the alliances, were included, but there was no lion for the third. I also really like the chimera in the game, and I felt that the netch was an unusual choice for one of the luminaries. While I understand the symbolic representations of each luminary, having a gryphon and a dragon without a lion felt off.

The Indrik makes sense, though it's strange that we get two creatures representing Ebonheart (dragon and netch) and two for the Dominion (indrik and gryphon). I know that the luminaries are meant to symbolize the nature of magic, as mentioned by each luminary when you ask them about eachother's personality. It's very clear they represent interpretations of how magic and power should be wielded and what is should be used for. So yes I know the luminaries aren't supposed to represent the alliances. You could say it was conincidence or they just picked "magic creatures" for the luminaries although I wouldn't say netchs, crows or foxes are necessarily magical innately. The Gryphon, Dragon and Indrik are typically depicted as more magical. I guess you could argue that a lion on it's own doesn't represent anything magical much like the crow, fox and netch. Although still would of been nice to nod to the alliances and logo.

I appreciate how the chimera represents the three alliances (and the three elements of Elder Scrolls magicka, especially if you have the statue furnishing from the druidic furnishing bundle. Gryphon depicted frost, wamasu depicted lightning and lion depicted fire.) I also enjoy how the three creatures symbolize not only the alliances but also the game's logo and the spirit of the game, as seen in the logo's constant presence. These subtle nods to the game's themes and motifs make everything feel connected to the main quest line and alliance war, which has been the overarching theme for ten years.

In conclusion, I would have loved for one of the luminaries to be a lion. Did anyone else find it strange that it wasn't include or is it just me?

I haven't done any of it as yet (and won't for quite some time), and didn't have any of that info prior to your post. However, after reading.... yes. I do find it rather odd.... And it's especially annoying to me since the race I main on 4 accounts is Redguard, and my "home" alliance is DC. I also have numerous Bretons. Yes, I have AD characters also - but no EP race characters and never will.

tomofhyrule

The Luminaries have nothing to do with the alliances.

Besides, it's quite expressly stated in one of the later quests that there's a certain physical feature each of them have.

Each of them has wings, save the Netch which can float

And yes, I know the Indrik doesn't have wings per se, but they do talk about it and its feather is also a topic that comes up in the story

Soarora

FelisCatus wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Not really, because the Luminaries predate the Alliances by quite a bit.

So does the Chimera from Galen but it still represents the 3 creatures of each alliance.

I think that might be coincidence. After all, the Pact is not a Wamasu.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

tomofhyrule wrote: »

The Luminaries have nothing to do with the alliances.

Besides, it's quite expressly stated in one of the later quests that there's a certain physical feature each of them have.

Each of them has wings, save the Netch which can float

And yes, I know the Indrik doesn't have wings per se, but they do talk about it and its feather is also a topic that comes up in the story

If you’re talking about the riddle in the Crow’s Wing, recall that ‘wing’ can also mean the wing of a building.

So yes, they all have Wings, even the Netch, that’s what their rooms are.

Gaebriel0410

I don't think it has anything to do with the Three Banners War, not in the least because the luminaries predate this conflict by a long time! Same for the chimera.

The symbol of the Aldmeri Dominion is an eagle, not a gryphon. They are most common in Summerset, but are known to live in various regions.

The dragon is a common symbol in many Tamriel cultures. For example the heraldic sigil of Daggerfall is a dragon.

So even in the hypothetical case it was a reference to the Alliances, the dragon could refer to one of the most powerful lineages in High Rock, House Deleyn of Daggerfall. Also the sigil of Evermore is a gryphon, so technically we'd have two!