Scribing might be the worst grind yet

essi2 · June 4

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_RichLambert

Why in the ever loving Oblivion is Scribing progress account unlocks, but Scribing is locked behind a whole as questline... I have 18 characters and a hand full I play regularly... Are you insane!?

I was enjoying both Scribing and the associated questline until I decided to check it out on a 2nd character.

Also the ink drop rates are atrocious.

Hamish999 · June 4

You only need to do the first quest on alts, takes about 10 minutes or so if you just skip through the dialogue. You don't need to do the rest of the quests as long as you've completed them on one character. You can just buy all the scripts etc at a reduced cost for alts.

I agree the ink drop rates are crap.

RicAlmighty · June 4

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essi2 · June 4

As far as I can tell you still need to do the entire questline for the Soul Magic unlocks

And the expensive vendor unlocks are not discounted are still expensive

RicAlmighty · June 4

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essi2 · June 4

RicAlmighty wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

As far as I can tell you still need to do the entire questline for the Soul Magic unlocks

And the expensive vendor unlocks are not discounted

This is untrue. Once you unlock the Soul Magic Grimiore once, you can purchase it from Firandil on other characters.

Also, scripts you purchase once are then discounted for each alternate character. (From 50k to 10k from Firandil)

I'll have to look again, but I did not see any of the soul magic in Firandil's inventory

Hamish999 · June 4

essi2 wrote: »

As far as I can tell you still need to do the entire questline for the Soul Magic unlocks

And the expensive vendor unlocks are not discounted are still expensive

I've seen videos saying it will cost 600k gold to buy everything on 1 character (or once?) and a total of 2.5 million gold for 20.
I don't think this is too bad, seeing as you won't need to buy every weapon skill etc on every character.

Edit: Words are hard

RicAlmighty · June 4

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ssewallb14_ESO · June 4

Can confirm Soul Burst will become purchasable from the merchant on alts.

Necrotech_Master · June 4

you only have to do the entire questline ones, other characters only need to do the first quest "second era of scribing" to gain access

though i think a bigger problem with scribing is the grimoires/scripts being per character, along with the extremely limited drop rate of luminous ink (of which you can get 12 free from doing the scribing quest which might make it lucrative to actually do that on alts)

Firstmep · June 4

The scripts are per charachter, you do get some freebies, but some of the best ones are behind daily quest grinds. And for some reason the guaranteed script is once per account per day, which makes 0 sense.

Also theres no way to track what scripts you have unlocked on a specific toon, which is very annoying.

ssewallb14_ESO · June 4

The main issue I see from this going forward is leveling fresh alts, as you can't really take advantage of the weeklies in the same way as with already existing alts.

This means waiting an upwards of 20 days to get the combo you want, or going through the giga-grind that is unlocking upwards of 51 scripts through world dailies with a %25 drop rate.

Easiest solution IMO would be to make the drop rate 75%, which might put the grind more in range of other guild and world grinds.

Harder but better solution might be to subdivide scripts further into different sources, so you can farm a specific handful, or use some kind of tokens.

Necrotech_Master · June 4

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

The main issue I see from this going forward is leveling fresh alts, as you can't really take advantage of the weeklies in the same way as with already existing alts.

This means waiting an upwards of 20 days to get the combo you want, or going through the giga-grind that is unlocking upwards of 51 scripts through world dailies with a %25 drop rate.

Easiest solution IMO would be to make the drop rate 75%, which might put the grind more in range of other guild and world grinds.

Harder but better solution might be to subdivide scripts further into different sources, so you can farm a specific handful, or use some kind of tokens.

well even if you do that, the biggest problem after that is the luminous ink, as you need to consume 3 per scribed skill and so far the drop rate on that is really abyssmal

ssewallb14_ESO · June 4

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

The main issue I see from this going forward is leveling fresh alts, as you can't really take advantage of the weeklies in the same way as with already existing alts.

This means waiting an upwards of 20 days to get the combo you want, or going through the giga-grind that is unlocking upwards of 51 scripts through world dailies with a %25 drop rate.

Easiest solution IMO would be to make the drop rate 75%, which might put the grind more in range of other guild and world grinds.

Harder but better solution might be to subdivide scripts further into different sources, so you can farm a specific handful, or use some kind of tokens.

well even if you do that, the biggest problem after that is the luminous ink, as you need to consume 3 per scribed skill and so far the drop rate on that is really abyssmal

Unsure about Inks, but I'm already seeing them on traders for 100-200k on day 2, so I suspect the price will become fairly reasonable eventually.

Aurielle · June 4

Yup, I thought Psijic Order was bad… Nothing compared to this.

ESO can be so frustrating at times. On the one hand, we have great QOL systems like Transmutation and set reconstruction to reduce needless RNG-dependent grinding … and then we get systems like this one.

I did the Indrik questline and was bored out of my skull the entire time. It was long, annoying, and ultimately unrewarding. I haven’t had any ink drops besides what I got as a quest reward. I’m personally going to wait and see how much scribing becomes a necessity for Cyrodiil before I spend any more time on it.

Necrotech_Master · June 4

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

The main issue I see from this going forward is leveling fresh alts, as you can't really take advantage of the weeklies in the same way as with already existing alts.

This means waiting an upwards of 20 days to get the combo you want, or going through the giga-grind that is unlocking upwards of 51 scripts through world dailies with a %25 drop rate.

Easiest solution IMO would be to make the drop rate 75%, which might put the grind more in range of other guild and world grinds.

Harder but better solution might be to subdivide scripts further into different sources, so you can farm a specific handful, or use some kind of tokens.

well even if you do that, the biggest problem after that is the luminous ink, as you need to consume 3 per scribed skill and so far the drop rate on that is really abyssmal

Unsure about Inks, but I'm already seeing them on traders for 100-200k on day 2, so I suspect the price will become fairly reasonable eventually.

you need at least 3 to make 1 skill

the drop rate from enemies is between 0.5 and 1% based on some forum threads early approximations

the drop rate from nodes isnt any better, its probably rarer than nirncrux

the only guarantee is +12 inks from doing the 4 wing quests with each character

so short term quick gains would be 20 characters running the scribing quests for a total of 240 inks, this would be enough for 80 skill scribes in total

if the prices are 100-200k per unit of ink, thats 300-600k to make a skill effectively if your buying it, and with the low drop rates unless you rely on running the scribing quests with other toons, i dont see the drops really sustaining being able to actually experiment with skills

Firstmep · June 4

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

The main issue I see from this going forward is leveling fresh alts, as you can't really take advantage of the weeklies in the same way as with already existing alts.

This means waiting an upwards of 20 days to get the combo you want, or going through the giga-grind that is unlocking upwards of 51 scripts through world dailies with a %25 drop rate.

Easiest solution IMO would be to make the drop rate 75%, which might put the grind more in range of other guild and world grinds.

Harder but better solution might be to subdivide scripts further into different sources, so you can farm a specific handful, or use some kind of tokens.

well even if you do that, the biggest problem after that is the luminous ink, as you need to consume 3 per scribed skill and so far the drop rate on that is really abyssmal

Unsure about Inks, but I'm already seeing them on traders for 100-200k on day 2, so I suspect the price will become fairly reasonable eventually.

you need at least 3 to make 1 skill

the drop rate from enemies is between 0.5 and 1% based on some forum threads early approximations

the drop rate from nodes isnt any better, its probably rarer than nirncrux

the only guarantee is +12 inks from doing the 4 wing quests with each character

so short term quick gains would be 20 characters running the scribing quests for a total of 240 inks, this would be enough for 80 skill scribes in total

if the prices are 100-200k per unit of ink, thats 300-600k to make a skill effectively if your buying it, and with the low drop rates unless you rely on running the scribing quests with other toons, i dont see the drops really sustaining being able to actually experiment with skills

Keep in mind you can also do the scribing questline on alts for more ink. With the drop rates as they are, might be worth it.

Necrotech_Master · June 4

Firstmep wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

The main issue I see from this going forward is leveling fresh alts, as you can't really take advantage of the weeklies in the same way as with already existing alts.

This means waiting an upwards of 20 days to get the combo you want, or going through the giga-grind that is unlocking upwards of 51 scripts through world dailies with a %25 drop rate.

Easiest solution IMO would be to make the drop rate 75%, which might put the grind more in range of other guild and world grinds.

Harder but better solution might be to subdivide scripts further into different sources, so you can farm a specific handful, or use some kind of tokens.

well even if you do that, the biggest problem after that is the luminous ink, as you need to consume 3 per scribed skill and so far the drop rate on that is really abyssmal

Unsure about Inks, but I'm already seeing them on traders for 100-200k on day 2, so I suspect the price will become fairly reasonable eventually.

you need at least 3 to make 1 skill

the drop rate from enemies is between 0.5 and 1% based on some forum threads early approximations

the drop rate from nodes isnt any better, its probably rarer than nirncrux

the only guarantee is +12 inks from doing the 4 wing quests with each character

so short term quick gains would be 20 characters running the scribing quests for a total of 240 inks, this would be enough for 80 skill scribes in total

if the prices are 100-200k per unit of ink, thats 300-600k to make a skill effectively if your buying it, and with the low drop rates unless you rely on running the scribing quests with other toons, i dont see the drops really sustaining being able to actually experiment with skills

Keep in mind you can also do the scribing questline on alts for more ink. With the drop rates as they are, might be worth it.

thats what i mentioned in my post, if you did the scribing line on 20 characters (current max number of slots), thats 240 ink in total

i personally think that the drop rates on the ink are far too low

MasterWarrior · June 4

Scribing is making me quit ESO, seriously, what a terrible questline.

yadibroz · June 4

essi2 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_RichLambert

Why in the ever loving Oblivion is Scribing progress account unlocks, but Scribing is locked behind a whole as questline... I have 18 characters and a hand full I play regularly... Are you insane!?

I was enjoying both Scribing and the associated questline until I decided to check it out on a 2nd character.

Also the ink drop rates are atrocious.

Yes I do not wanna grind this much

yadibroz · June 4

essi2 wrote: »

As far as I can tell you still need to do the entire questline for the Soul Magic unlocks

And the expensive vendor unlocks are not discounted are still expensive

For me it very bug stuck so can't complete it

yadibroz · June 4

Hamish999 wrote: »

You only need to do the first quest on alts, takes about 10 minutes or so if you just skip through the dialogue. You don't need to do the rest of the quests as long as you've completed them on one character. You can just buy all the scripts etc at a reduced cost for alts.

I agree the ink drop rates are crap.

Still not free unlocked

StShoot · June 4

So lets summarize it:
- Inc is way to rare
- The raw stats (dmg/heal/shields) are low af
- Buffs are way to short and make rotas akward if you run them on the backbar
- most of the interesting combos are locked for whatever reason
- The grind on alts is beyond insane
- a bunch of the skills have a casttime, which is just realy bad

All in all i cant realy recomend anyone to engage with the grind, this system needs some serious number tweaking to become viable.

CrashTest · June 4

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