Ithelia's Fury

EdjeSwift · June 6

merevie wrote: »

If Zos now requires the main quests prologues, fishing, caves? or petting dogs? to be all done only on one toon then that must be communicated in the quest system BEFORE players begin.

Necrom was a different chapter -2023.
Gold Road is 2024.
At no point in the quests or advertising did Zos state that Necrom and Gold Road were the same questline.
Thousands of people levelled up their new Arcanist class using Necrom questline.
They were not told they had to use that Arcanist again in 2024 or the new content would not count for TIMED achievements, like they have introduced this chapter.

Are the skin achievements over 10 years also only permitted on one toon?
We need to know what is going on.

This has been the system for connected stories for a long time now.
Western Skyrim and The Reach needed to be done on the same character.
Northern Elsweyr and Southern Elsweyr needed to be done on the same character.
Blackwood and The Deadlands needed to be done on the same character
High Isle and Galen needed to be done on the same character.

Sure, they shifted the timing of releases somewhat but going through the stories, as you claim you did, they are clearly connected. The end of Necrom tied directly into the beginning/prologue of Gold Road.

Also, what timed achievements are there?

Necrotech_Master · June 6

gold road and necrom are as connected as summerset/vvardenfell/clockwork city

i also dont know what you mean by timed achievements

and if your talking about the savior of gold road achievement, yes you can get different components of that on different characters, you dont have to do the fishing achievement, the public dungeon, delve, world event, and world boss clears on the same character

but main story quests have always generally been connected at a character level

85flyingbrick_ESO · June 6

this is just dumb at this point. it makes no sense that the questgiver spawns in different places or not at all.

DUTCH_REAPER · June 8

Just popping in to see if there is a solution to this?

virtus753 · June 8

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Just popping in to see if there is a solution to this?

Have you verified that you did both prologues and both storylines on the same character? That has been an issue for some. The achievements will not tell you, unless you did both storylines first on the same one - you need to check the zone guide on the character for the storylines (and perhaps the Crown Store is the easiest way to check for the prologues?).

Eva13 · June 9

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

One more clarifying note, did you complete both prologue quests? Those need to be completed as well.

Next chapter we'll have to have all base game story quests completed on one character? Maybe do these account-wide? Doing all on one character pretty boring and you can assume a lot of people doing different chapters on different characters. Maybe you stop inflate online hours in such a manner?

Eva13 · June 9

EdjeSwift wrote: »

merevie wrote: »

If Zos now requires the main quests prologues, fishing, caves? or petting dogs? to be all done only on one toon then that must be communicated in the quest system BEFORE players begin.

Necrom was a different chapter -2023.
Gold Road is 2024.
At no point in the quests or advertising did Zos state that Necrom and Gold Road were the same questline.
Thousands of people levelled up their new Arcanist class using Necrom questline.
They were not told they had to use that Arcanist again in 2024 or the new content would not count for TIMED achievements, like they have introduced this chapter.

Are the skin achievements over 10 years also only permitted on one toon?
We need to know what is going on.

This has been the system for connected stories for a long time now.
Western Skyrim and The Reach needed to be done on the same character.
Northern Elsweyr and Southern Elsweyr needed to be done on the same character.
Blackwood and The Deadlands needed to be done on the same character
High Isle and Galen needed to be done on the same character.

Sure, they shifted the timing of releases somewhat but going through the stories, as you claim you did, they are clearly connected. The end of Necrom tied directly into the beginning/prologue of Gold Road.

Also, what timed achievements are there?

It was system for chapter and subsequent dlc, it wasn't system for new chapter and old ones. And it wasn't obvious you have to complete BOTH chapters on ONE toon. Following such logic, next year we'll have to have all base game completed on ONE toon. It's just became stupid.

Lylith · June 10

more confused than ever after reading this thread.

i was just looking for where you pick up the quest in the original question and ended up down a rabbit hole as it seems i have no access to any of the 'prologue' quests although i may have done them at some point (not even sure where to look).

hope someone at zos sorts this out but i won't be... (pre-edited for bashing).

tom6143346 · June 10

Just a info I have done quest necrom and both prologue quest on a different char than I did the new chapters quest. That doesn’t count. I had to redo them on the char with the new chapter quest. Than I was able to do the last two quest of the new chapter. I hope that helps.

tom6143346 · June 10

So yes as far as my experience goes , they all need to be done on same character. Account wide achievements seems to not count in this case!

Black_GFA · June 13

So you all are saying that if someone started playing ESO this chapter and wanted to get Hero of the Gold Road achievement, they would have to not only complete all the main Gold Road quests, but go back and do all the Necrom quests and both prologues too??

Djennku · June 13

To clarify for those still confused; quest progress has always been per character, not per account. In order to conclude this two-year storyline, you need to complete the *quests*(not achievements) for necrom, gold road, and the prologue quests for both zones (prologues can be started from the crown store).

Hope this helps. ^^

Vulkunne · June 13

merevie wrote: »

If Zos now requires the main quests prologues, fishing, caves? or petting dogs? to be all done only on one toon then that must be communicated in the quest system BEFORE players begin.

Necrom was a different chapter -2023.
Gold Road is 2024.
At no point in the quests or advertising did Zos state that Necrom and Gold Road were the same questline.
Thousands of people levelled up their new Arcanist class using Necrom questline.
They were not told they had to use that Arcanist again in 2024 or the new content would not count for TIMED achievements, like they have introduced this chapter.

Are the skin achievements over 10 years also only permitted on one toon?
We need to know what is going on.

I couldn't agree more. Things feel very much that way right now.

joergino · June 13

EdjeSwift wrote: »

merevie wrote: »

If Zos now requires the main quests prologues, fishing, caves? or petting dogs? to be all done only on one toon then that must be communicated in the quest system BEFORE players begin.

Necrom was a different chapter -2023.
Gold Road is 2024.
At no point in the quests or advertising did Zos state that Necrom and Gold Road were the same questline.
Thousands of people levelled up their new Arcanist class using Necrom questline.
They were not told they had to use that Arcanist again in 2024 or the new content would not count for TIMED achievements, like they have introduced this chapter.

Are the skin achievements over 10 years also only permitted on one toon?
We need to know what is going on.

This has been the system for connected stories for a long time now.
Western Skyrim and The Reach needed to be done on the same character.
Northern Elsweyr and Southern Elsweyr needed to be done on the same character.
Blackwood and The Deadlands needed to be done on the same character
High Isle and Galen needed to be done on the same character.

Sure, they shifted the timing of releases somewhat but going through the stories, as you claim you did, they are clearly connected. The end of Necrom tied directly into the beginning/prologue of Gold Road.

Also, what timed achievements are there?

The only timed achievement which is tied to a crown store item is the "Wayrest Vanner Pillion Steed" that can be claimed for free once you have the "Inheritor of the Scholarium" achievement, i.e. once you have completed all Scholarium quests. This item right now has only 18 days left to be claimed.

To get the "Fractured Glory" skin, one has to complete the "Adventurer Across a Decade" achievement (found in Holiday Events: Anniversary Jubilee). But even though this has been claimed multiple times here, neither the achievement nor the skin seem to be timed. IIRC this was even confirmed by Kevin or a different ZOS spokesperson.

virtus753 · June 13

joergino wrote: »

EdjeSwift wrote: »

merevie wrote: »

If Zos now requires the main quests prologues, fishing, caves? or petting dogs? to be all done only on one toon then that must be communicated in the quest system BEFORE players begin.

Necrom was a different chapter -2023.
Gold Road is 2024.
At no point in the quests or advertising did Zos state that Necrom and Gold Road were the same questline.
Thousands of people levelled up their new Arcanist class using Necrom questline.
They were not told they had to use that Arcanist again in 2024 or the new content would not count for TIMED achievements, like they have introduced this chapter.

Are the skin achievements over 10 years also only permitted on one toon?
We need to know what is going on.

This has been the system for connected stories for a long time now.
Western Skyrim and The Reach needed to be done on the same character.
Northern Elsweyr and Southern Elsweyr needed to be done on the same character.
Blackwood and The Deadlands needed to be done on the same character
High Isle and Galen needed to be done on the same character.

Sure, they shifted the timing of releases somewhat but going through the stories, as you claim you did, they are clearly connected. The end of Necrom tied directly into the beginning/prologue of Gold Road.

Also, what timed achievements are there?

The only timed achievement which is tied to a crown store item is the "Wayrest Vanner Pillion Steed" that can be claimed for free once you have the "Inheritor of the Scholarium" achievement, i.e. once you have completed all Scholarium quests. This item right now has only 18 days left to be claimed.

To get the "Fractured Glory" skin, one has to complete the "Adventurer Across a Decade" achievement (found in Holiday Events: Anniversary Jubilee). But even though this has been claimed multiple times here, neither the achievement nor the skin seem to be timed. IIRC this was even confirmed by Kevin or a different ZOS spokesperson.

The Inheritor of the Scholarium achievement is not timed. It is the offer for the mount that is timed. Since the Crown Store offer is not itself an achievement, it cannot be a timed achievement. They did this with Orsinium costumes and with houseguests like Alchemy. None of those achievements was a timed achievement either. They are timed offers that require achievements. Not timed achievements.

Lylith · June 15

did anyone ever actually answer the op's question?

yes i've done all the other quests, WHERE do you get the epilogue quest?

i've seen it said it 'pops up' once you've done all the other quests, but i've yet to see it.

nvm, i found it, thanks to @Elthyrael.

you get the quest from beragon at skingrad vineyards, he's right by the wayshrine.

Maggusemm · June 16

it is still bugged @ZOS_Kevin

Maggusemm · June 16

dozens of players ask in zone for this bug

tsaescishoeshiner · June 16

Not sure about any bug with it, but as far as needing to do the quests on one character:

Achievements are what they made global. Quests and stories are character-based (and will presumably remain that way.) None of this is new at all.

Returning characters like Mizzik won't recognize your character if that character hasn't done Mizzik's earlier quest. And you can't do a capper/epilogue quest without doing the prereq quests on one character.

I do think requiring the prologues for them could be confusing—the prologue should be required at the START of the quest instead. They often reveal really important things, anyway.

Fenris_Arainai · June 16

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

gold road and necrom are as connected as summerset/vvardenfell/clockwork city

Yes, but there's no hidden "continuation" if you do them on the same character. So it's irrelevant if you do them on 1 toon, 2 or 3. From Elsweyhr it matters.

Oznog666 · June 19

Lylith wrote: »

did anyone ever actually answer the op's question?

yes i've done all the other quests, WHERE do you get the epilogue quest?

i've seen it said it 'pops up' once you've done all the other quests, but i've yet to see it.

nvm, i found it, thanks to @Elthyrael.

you get the quest from beragon at skingrad vineyards, he's right by the wayshrine.

I just did it, for me it was Skruut immediately showing up in Beragons house after completing the 5 Gold Road zone quests. After a short talk to Skruut the quest started - and it was a very interesting and nice ending of both Apocrypha and Gold Road storyline.

Marquesta · June 22

As someone stated earlier, I leveled my first archanist by doing the Necrom story line, and being a newish player, I had no idea there were connected story lines that had to be completed by the same character. I usually use my main to do all the zone quests, but because I had a brand new fabulous and exciting archanist to level, I used it. I've done Gold Road on my main.

This not being a "new thing" isn't the problem, the problem is no one ever says it out loud until it causes confusion, then we're left with denials and resistance because we already spent hours and hours doing these things on another character, only to be faced with doing the same thing again for hours on another character. It is very frustrating.

AnnieK · June 30

This is just [snip] ridiculous that you have to do any of a previous expansion to complete acheivments on the new Expansion that you bought. NO WHERE are you told not to waste your money if you played the story quest on a toon you deleted and that prevents you from completing achievements on your main with the next expansion. Seems like grounds for a class action lawsuit - deceptive practice in selling this expansion. I want a refund.

[edited for profanity bypass]

virtus753 · June 30

AnnieK wrote: »

NO WHERE are you told not to waste your money if you played the story quest on a toon you deleted and that prevents you from completing achievements on your main with the next expansion.

The storylines are not once per account. Deleting a different character in no way impacts your ability to do the Necrom questline on your main so you can proceed to the epilogue quests and get the achievement.

AnnieK · July 1

Nope it meant I had to do the Necrom storyline all over again before I could get Ithalia's fury...as soon as I redid the WHOLE storyline the next quest in Gold Road (Ithaiia's Fury) popped when it was not available before. So how do they handle it for people who do not buy Necrom or Plus? If they spend their money on Gold Road then they have to buy Necrom or they cannot complete Gold Road and that seems wrong.

virtus753 · July 1

AnnieK wrote: »

Nope it meant I had to do the Necrom storyline all over again before I could get Ithalia's fury...as soon as I redid the WHOLE storyline the next quest in Gold Road (Ithaiia's Fury) popped when it was not available before. So how do they handle it for people who do not buy Necrom or Plus? If they spend their money on Gold Road then they have to buy Necrom or they cannot complete Gold Road and that seems wrong.

Thank you for confirming what I said, that deleting your other character did not prevent you from completing the required storyline on your main and did not lock you out of any achievements. I’m glad you were able to get it.

Remember that the epilogue capping quests for Greymoor, Blackwood, and High Isle likewise all require that players complete two separate DLC questlines on the same character. They require you to do the questlines for Markarth, Deadlands, and Galen, respectively. It’s the same with the Necrom-West Weald pairing. The main difference here is the timing, since Q4 DLCs no longer exist.

katanagirl1 · July 1

virtus753 wrote: »

AnnieK wrote: »

Nope it meant I had to do the Necrom storyline all over again before I could get Ithalia's fury...as soon as I redid the WHOLE storyline the next quest in Gold Road (Ithaiia's Fury) popped when it was not available before. So how do they handle it for people who do not buy Necrom or Plus? If they spend their money on Gold Road then they have to buy Necrom or they cannot complete Gold Road and that seems wrong.

Thank you for confirming what I said, that deleting your other character did not prevent you from completing the required storyline on your main and did not lock you out of any achievements. I’m glad you were able to get it.

Remember that the epilogue capping quests for Greymoor, Blackwood, and High Isle likewise all require that players complete two separate DLC questlines on the same character. They require you to do the questlines for Markarth, Deadlands, and Galen, respectively. It’s the same with the Necrom-West Weald pairing. The main difference here is the timing, since Q4 DLCs no longer exist.

This would be consistent like before, but instead of the story being contained within a chapter and its associated dlc, now the story spans two chapters. I believe this was an oversight, just like the grim focus debacle. They have decided to double down on the intended behavior for both, instead of saying it was an oversight, which is unfortunate.

virtus753 · July 1

katanagirl1 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

AnnieK wrote: »

Nope it meant I had to do the Necrom storyline all over again before I could get Ithalia's fury...as soon as I redid the WHOLE storyline the next quest in Gold Road (Ithaiia's Fury) popped when it was not available before. So how do they handle it for people who do not buy Necrom or Plus? If they spend their money on Gold Road then they have to buy Necrom or they cannot complete Gold Road and that seems wrong.

Thank you for confirming what I said, that deleting your other character did not prevent you from completing the required storyline on your main and did not lock you out of any achievements. I’m glad you were able to get it.

Remember that the epilogue capping quests for Greymoor, Blackwood, and High Isle likewise all require that players complete two separate DLC questlines on the same character. They require you to do the questlines for Markarth, Deadlands, and Galen, respectively. It’s the same with the Necrom-West Weald pairing. The main difference here is the timing, since Q4 DLCs no longer exist.

This would be consistent like before, but instead of the story being contained within a chapter and its associated dlc, now the story spans two chapters. I believe this was an oversight, just like the grim focus debacle. They have decided to double down on the intended behavior for both, instead of saying it was an oversight, which is unfortunate.

I don't really think it was an oversight. We've known that Q4 DLCs were being discontinued since before Necrom was even announced. By the time Necrom was revealed, we knew it wasn't going to be possible for Necrom to have a related storyline in a Q4 DLC with epilogue quests like the 2019-2022 Chapters did. The question was whether ZOS would continue the storyline in a subsequent content drop, but if the answer to that was yes, then another Chapter would clearly be their only opportunity to do so, as that's the only time story content is released now.

Technically they can also make the argument that the current storyline pairing doesn't span two chapters, as two chapters have never existed simultaneously on the same platform. The moment West Weald became a Chapter, Necrom got downgraded to a DLC included with ESO+. So the situation is very similar to previous years, where you had to have a current Chapter (Greymoor, Blackwood, High Isle) paired with an ESO+-eligible DLC (Markarth, Deadlands, Galen) in order to get the epilogue quests and related achievements done at the earliest opportunity. This pairing is different in that many people bought Necrom when it was a Chapter and have now also bought West Weald as a Chapter, but it was not required to have Necrom as a Chapter for these questlines or achievements, which didn't exist in game until Necrom was an ex-Chapter.

And there are many other arguments to be made about technicalities regarding Chapters vs DLC and how the changes to nomenclature and cadence have impacted the value of our money and of ESO+, which honestly is to my mind a much bigger issue (and has and continues to deserve its own thread or five). But for this particular topic here, regarding the continuity of storylines, there remains the fact that all these epilogue quests (2019-2024) require two sets of non-base game content that are paid one way or another. It should not be a surprise at this point that that's required for these epilogue quests, although (as I said earlier) I would encourage ZOS to keep the epilogue quests' achievements separated out from the rest of the storyline here like they did with previous "Part 2"s.

katanagirl1 · July 2

virtus753 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

AnnieK wrote: »

Nope it meant I had to do the Necrom storyline all over again before I could get Ithalia's fury...as soon as I redid the WHOLE storyline the next quest in Gold Road (Ithaiia's Fury) popped when it was not available before. So how do they handle it for people who do not buy Necrom or Plus? If they spend their money on Gold Road then they have to buy Necrom or they cannot complete Gold Road and that seems wrong.

Thank you for confirming what I said, that deleting your other character did not prevent you from completing the required storyline on your main and did not lock you out of any achievements. I’m glad you were able to get it.

Remember that the epilogue capping quests for Greymoor, Blackwood, and High Isle likewise all require that players complete two separate DLC questlines on the same character. They require you to do the questlines for Markarth, Deadlands, and Galen, respectively. It’s the same with the Necrom-West Weald pairing. The main difference here is the timing, since Q4 DLCs no longer exist.

This would be consistent like before, but instead of the story being contained within a chapter and its associated dlc, now the story spans two chapters. I believe this was an oversight, just like the grim focus debacle. They have decided to double down on the intended behavior for both, instead of saying it was an oversight, which is unfortunate.

I don't really think it was an oversight. We've known that Q4 DLCs were being discontinued since before Necrom was even announced. By the time Necrom was revealed, we knew it wasn't going to be possible for Necrom to have a related storyline in a Q4 DLC with epilogue quests like the 2019-2022 Chapters did. The question was whether ZOS would continue the storyline in a subsequent content drop, but if the answer to that was yes, then another Chapter would clearly be their only opportunity to do so, as that's the only time story content is released now.

Technically they can also make the argument that the current storyline pairing doesn't span two chapters, as two chapters have never existed simultaneously on the same platform. The moment West Weald became a Chapter, Necrom got downgraded to a DLC included with ESO+. So the situation is very similar to previous years, where you had to have a current Chapter (Greymoor, Blackwood, High Isle) paired with an ESO+-eligible DLC (Markarth, Deadlands, Galen) in order to get the epilogue quests and related achievements done at the earliest opportunity. This pairing is different in that many people bought Necrom when it was a Chapter and have now also bought West Weald as a Chapter, but it was not required to have Necrom as a Chapter for these questlines or achievements, which didn't exist in game until Necrom was an ex-Chapter.

And there are many other arguments to be made about technicalities regarding Chapters vs DLC and how the changes to nomenclature and cadence have impacted the value of our money and of ESO+, which honestly is to my mind a much bigger issue (and has and continues to deserve its own thread or five). But for this particular topic here, regarding the continuity of storylines, there remains the fact that all these epilogue quests (2019-2024) require two sets of non-base game content that are paid one way or another. It should not be a surprise at this point that that's required for these epilogue quests, although (as I said earlier) I would encourage ZOS to keep the epilogue quests' achievements separated out from the rest of the storyline here like they did with previous "Part 2"s.

I guess that could be the reasoning, though it seems a bit of a stretch for me.

It’s not a big deal for me, I have always done all storylines on the same toon. There are just a lot of players here who got burned by this one.

Kitziboo · July 2

I also completed Necrom on new Arcanists rather than my two mains. I heard about this issue and as I wanted to do Gold Road on my mains, I quickly tried to run them through the MQ each. No problem with the first but my second can’t complete it as Chronicle of Fate is bugged and I have been unable to resolve it.