Highlight non-CP160 items for 'sale' in Vendor

Vulkunne · June 2

ZOS,

Just a QOL suggestion here, is there any way we can please add some form of disclaimer or highlight to any non-CP160 items for sale? Things like armor, weapons and jewelry and such.

You have these items out there with the trait someone might want to buy instead of transmute, however sometimes the actual level for the item gets glossed over, even though the item is priced competively with other items of the same caliber that are genuine CP160.

Personally, I'm not even sure why non-CP160 items are sold on the market as they mostly throw people off or are useful for a very short time, especially when they're being priced the same as genuine CP160 items. I wish there was something to help protect the consumer if this silliness is going to continue to be allowed.

Thanks

bmnoble · June 2

Vulkunne wrote: »

ZOS,

Personally, I'm not even sure why non-CP160 items are sold on the market as they mostly throw people off or are useful for a very short time, especially when they're being priced the same as genuine CP160 items. I wish there was something to help protect the consumer if this silliness is going to continue to be allowed.

Thanks

Their either hoping to trick someone into a sale by hoping they don't take a close look at the items level or if they are selling it dirt cheap they are doing it either to help people fill out their sticker books or use the trait for research.

As for your suggestion you can already filter the level of the items you want in the search options at guild traders.

I_killed_Vivec · June 2

The consumer doesn't need any protections, beyond using their own wits.

There are many reasons why it makes sense to sell non-CP160 items, not least deconning and sticker book building, as well as simply wanting to get rid of low level items for (slightly) more than you can get from merchants. This isn't "silliness", it provides a valuable service!

But really it's nobody's business what I choose to sell, or why, or even how much I choose to ask in payment.

Yamenstein · June 2

I believe there is a way to filter the item level ? And doesn’t the UI show the item level ?

I don’t think anything else is required here tbh. Just carefully purchase instead of clicking the moment you see something ?

moderatelyfatman · June 2

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

The consumer doesn't need any protections, beyond using their own wits.

There are many reasons why it makes sense to sell non-CP160 items, not least deconning and sticker book building, as well as simply wanting to get rid of low level items for (slightly) more than you can get from merchants. This isn't "silliness", it provides a valuable service!

But really it's nobody's business what I choose to sell, or why, or even how much I choose to ask in payment.

It was an issue for newer players before the stickerbook came out. I got conned myself fairly early on...
Personally, I think they should dump the whole levelled items and mats. Make everything CP160.

DenverRalphy · June 2

Believe it or not, up to you. But sub- CP160 players like to use the guild traders too. Shocking right?

Narvuntien · June 2

I made that mistake years ago and I was so pissed off I wasted 100K on a non-cp 160 staff. I refused to buy from that particular guild store for years afterwards but I seems that guild finally disbanded relatively recently after having help a prominent Mournhold spot for years.

Vulkunne · June 2

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

The consumer doesn't need any protections, beyond using their own wits.

There are many reasons why it makes sense to sell non-CP160 items, not least deconning and sticker book building, as well as simply wanting to get rid of low level items for (slightly) more than you can get from merchants. This isn't "silliness", it provides a valuable service!

But really it's nobody's business what I choose to sell, or why, or even how much I choose to ask in payment.

Listen to what you just said... "... the consumer doesn't need any protections..." and "... it's nobody's business what I choose to sell ...".

Let me ask you something IKV, (which I didn't kill Vivec btw, I let him live, thought he was a very nice guy actually) but let me ask you something, why would anyone else want to do business with you? You think it's alright to sell people trash, which is a reflection on what you think about your consumers. You seem to have no issues just selling us anything... Think about that.

The first rule of doing business with other people is you don't rob them. But yours is an attitude that demands consumer protections even IRL, it re-enforces my concerns that there is a problem and its not enough to make money but we have to make money honestly.

Clearly ZOS does care about how things are sold and the reason why. Many of us are tired of getting burned by non-genuine merch which really should never be for resale anyways, like a lot of things in this game are not for resale. Why, because the thing is not a genuine product, determined by ZOS but also a concept applicable to the market itself.

TaSheen · June 2

Just sort the guild store by level - that prevents seeing anything below the level you want to look for, in this case CP160.

Vulkunne · June 2

TaSheen wrote: »

Just sort the guild store by level - that prevents seeing anything below the level you want to look for, in this case CP160.

Ok but why have to do that at all? Why not filter on things for sale with level equal to CP160 (among other things)? Just filter them out, which is what I was really looking for. It would also take load off the servers and keep some of us from having to jump thru hoops and wait for things to load.

See this is what some of us don't understand. Adding something like this to the game would make it just as easy as sorting by level, but we wouldn't have to do that at all and then would take care of the problem completely for us that feel this way. There are those who have their reasons for selling us trash, ok but I have my reasons for not wanting to receive their offer to waste my time and money.

There is no excuse for us not to be able to filter by additional criteria, which is a feature common in many software suites and other games listings as well these days.

opalcity · June 2

Is this just a gripe post because you didn't pay attention when you bought something?

Vulkunne · June 2

opalcity wrote: »

Is this just a gripe post because you didn't pay attention when you bought something?

This is not the only post on this topic. I've seen it brought up on here several times in the past. Wow if nothing else this has really illuminated how people really don't care how they make their money, and now it seems you are saying no one should complain about getting ripped off? Why would anyone want to do business with you? Such harsh feelings for those buying your crap.

No wonder ESO economy is in such a sorry state.

oldbobdude · June 2

I use awesome guild store. It lets me filter on just about anything. Useful so I don’t make a mistake

opalcity · June 2

Vulkunne wrote: »

opalcity wrote: »

Is this just a gripe post because you didn't pay attention when you bought something?

This is not the only post on this topic. I've seen it brought up on here several times in the past. Wow if nothing else this has really illuminated how people really don't care how they make their money, and now it seems you are saying no one should complain about getting ripped off? Why would anyone want to do business with you? Such harsh feelings for those buying your crap.

No wonder ESO economy is in such a sorry state.

Not a trader. Not in a trade guild. Never even sold one thing in the store my (social) guild has.

Just learn from this experience and be more careful in the future.

I_killed_Vivec · June 2

Vulkunne wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

The consumer doesn't need any protections, beyond using their own wits.

There are many reasons why it makes sense to sell non-CP160 items, not least deconning and sticker book building, as well as simply wanting to get rid of low level items for (slightly) more than you can get from merchants. This isn't "silliness", it provides a valuable service!

But really it's nobody's business what I choose to sell, or why, or even how much I choose to ask in payment.

Listen to what you just said... "... the consumer doesn't need any protections..." and "... it's nobody's business what I choose to sell ...".

Let me ask you something IKV, (which I didn't kill Vivec btw, I let him live, thought he was a very nice guy actually) but let me ask you something, why would anyone else want to do business with you? You think it's alright to sell people trash, which is a reflection on what you think about your consumers. You seem to have no issues just selling us anything... Think about that.

The first rule of doing business with other people is you don't rob them. But yours is an attitude that demands consumer protections even IRL, it re-enforces my concerns that there is a problem and its not enough to make money but we have to make money honestly.

Clearly ZOS does care about how things are sold and the reason why. Many of us are tired of getting burned by non-genuine merch which really should never be for resale anyways, like a lot of things in this game are not for resale. Why, because the thing is not a genuine product, determined by ZOS but also a concept applicable to the market itself.

Vivec is a nice guy? The false god who killed his "bestie" in order to break his oath with Azura?

The bloke who keeps an asteroid hanging over his city so that his people are always in fear that he might just let it drop if they don't worship hard enough?

Well, if those are your values...

You know nothing about me, what I sell, what I price it at, but you question my attitude?

I sell what to me is trash. All of my characters have fully levelled up all crafts. I have no need for "trash" glyphs and gear with inspiration that drop from writs - and so I sell them to those who do want them. And I sell them cheap - partly because to me they are trash, partly because I have so much I want to shift units, and partly as a favour to those who are levelling up crafters.

If you think I am treating people with contempt then you should ask the people who buy over 40 pieces of gear from me every day. I sell every piece of CP160 inspiration gear for 99 gold - find somewhere it's selling it for less.

In fact I sell everything at less than MM prices, because even with 4 trader guilds I have loads to sell at prices that people want to buy.

Two phrases come to mind - caveat emptor and buyer's remorse. Be careful what you buy and what you are prepared to pay for it - that's your responsibility.

But ban non-CP160 sales just because you made a mistake?

There is no such thing as "non-genuine merch" - it's all genuine, and all clearly labelled in terms of what it is.

belial5221_ESO · June 2

IF they'd add features on console like awesomeguildstore addon,which has better search features,would be nice.Otherwise jsut make sure to check items before buying.

freespirit · June 2

You say you want lower level items filtered out but don't want to do the extra step that is already available to do that???

I use vanilla guild stores....

Open Trader > Pick Weapons/Armour > change selector from Level to CP > type 160 in each box.

Voila for a couple of clicks and a tiny bit of typing you will only see cp160 items...... do ZoS REALLY need to waste time on this??

Edit:- These selections persist through different traders, it really is that easy

furiouslog · June 2

Don't the vanilla store filters have a level filter, or is that an addon thing?

Xandreia_ · June 2

just read it? it gives the level on the item. i dont understand why taking an extra second is difficult?

DenverRalphy · June 2

Vulkunne wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Just sort the guild store by level - that prevents seeing anything below the level you want to look for, in this case CP160.

Ok but why have to do that at all? Why not filter on things for sale with level equal to CP160 (among other things)? Just filter them out, which is what I was really looking for. It would also take load off the servers and keep some of us from having to jump thru hoops and wait for things to load.

Whut... Like this?

Vulkunne · June 2

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

The consumer doesn't need any protections, beyond using their own wits.

There are many reasons why it makes sense to sell non-CP160 items, not least deconning and sticker book building, as well as simply wanting to get rid of low level items for (slightly) more than you can get from merchants. This isn't "silliness", it provides a valuable service!

But really it's nobody's business what I choose to sell, or why, or even how much I choose to ask in payment.

Listen to what you just said... "... the consumer doesn't need any protections..." and "... it's nobody's business what I choose to sell ...".

Let me ask you something IKV, (which I didn't kill Vivec btw, I let him live, thought he was a very nice guy actually) but let me ask you something, why would anyone else want to do business with you? You think it's alright to sell people trash, which is a reflection on what you think about your consumers. You seem to have no issues just selling us anything... Think about that.

The first rule of doing business with other people is you don't rob them. But yours is an attitude that demands consumer protections even IRL, it re-enforces my concerns that there is a problem and its not enough to make money but we have to make money honestly.

Clearly ZOS does care about how things are sold and the reason why. Many of us are tired of getting burned by non-genuine merch which really should never be for resale anyways, like a lot of things in this game are not for resale. Why, because the thing is not a genuine product, determined by ZOS but also a concept applicable to the market itself.

Vivec is a nice guy? The false god who killed his "bestie" in order to break his oath with Azura?

The bloke who keeps an asteroid hanging over his city so that his people are always in fear that he might just let it drop if they don't worship hard enough?

Well, if those are your values...

You know nothing about me, what I sell, what I price it at, but you question my attitude?

I sell what to me is trash. All of my characters have fully levelled up all crafts. I have no need for "trash" glyphs and gear with inspiration that drop from writs - and so I sell them to those who do want them. And I sell them cheap - partly because to me they are trash, partly because I have so much I want to shift units, and partly as a favour to those who are levelling up crafters.

If you think I am treating people with contempt then you should ask the people who buy over 40 pieces of gear from me every day. I sell every piece of CP160 inspiration gear for 99 gold - find somewhere it's selling it for less.

In fact I sell everything at less than MM prices, because even with 4 trader guilds I have loads to sell at prices that people want to buy.

Two phrases come to mind - caveat emptor and buyer's remorse. Be careful what you buy and what you are prepared to pay for it - that's your responsibility.

But ban non-CP160 sales just because you made a mistake?

There is no such thing as "non-genuine merch" - it's all genuine, and all clearly labelled in terms of what it is.

Exactly. All I know is what you posted. And what you said when you posted. That's what I drew my opinion on, which you were very 'absolute' about what you said. So I have no reason to think otherwise.

I_killed_Vivec · June 2

Vulkunne wrote: »

In the end, in many ways I kinda feel like Vivec. Alone but empowered. Even a stranger to my fellows. But empowered and with vision none the less. Now you know who I am.

Megalomaniac?

Vivec: one of three, not alone; killer of his best friend just because of his lust for glory; brings down a curse on his people; extortioner of the masses; false god. Nice role model.

And he squealed when he died...

so did Sotha Sil and Almalexia

No gods, no masters.

Edited for spoilers (if you haven't played the TES III expansions).

TaSheen · June 2

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

In the end, in many ways I kinda feel like Vivec. Alone but empowered. Even a stranger to my fellows. But empowered and with vision none the less. Now you know who I am.

Megalomaniac?

Vivec: one of three, not alone; killer of his best friend just because of his lust for glory; brings down a curse on his people; extortioner of the masses; false god. Nice role model.

And he squealed when he died...
so did Sotha Sil and Almalexia

No gods, no masters.

Edited for spoilers (if you haven't played the TES III expansions).

While true, it's each individual's choice with whom s/he identifies. Neither "identity" choice has a lot to do with the OP not wishing to use the selection option that's already available in the guild stores to limit choices to CP160.

I_killed_Vivec · June 2

TaSheen wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

In the end, in many ways I kinda feel like Vivec. Alone but empowered. Even a stranger to my fellows. But empowered and with vision none the less. Now you know who I am.

Megalomaniac?

Vivec: one of three, not alone; killer of his best friend just because of his lust for glory; brings down a curse on his people; extortioner of the masses; false god. Nice role model.

And he squealed when he died...
so did Sotha Sil and Almalexia

No gods, no masters.

Edited for spoilers (if you haven't played the TES III expansions).

While true, it's each individual's choice with whom s/he identifies. Neither "identity" choice has a lot to do with the OP not wishing to use the selection option that's already available in the guild stores to limit choices to CP160.

Indeed. Apologies for going off topic.

TaSheen · June 2

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

In the end, in many ways I kinda feel like Vivec. Alone but empowered. Even a stranger to my fellows. But empowered and with vision none the less. Now you know who I am.

Megalomaniac?

Vivec: one of three, not alone; killer of his best friend just because of his lust for glory; brings down a curse on his people; extortioner of the masses; false god. Nice role model.

And he squealed when he died...
so did Sotha Sil and Almalexia

No gods, no masters.

Edited for spoilers (if you haven't played the TES III expansions).

While true, it's each individual's choice with whom s/he identifies. Neither "identity" choice has a lot to do with the OP not wishing to use the selection option that's already available in the guild stores to limit choices to CP160.

Indeed. Apologies for going off topic.

Oh, no worries. I'm prone to that myself....

Vulkunne · June 2

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Just sort the guild store by level - that prevents seeing anything below the level you want to look for, in this case CP160.

Ok but why have to do that at all? Why not filter on things for sale with level equal to CP160 (among other things)? Just filter them out, which is what I was really looking for. It would also take load off the servers and keep some of us from having to jump thru hoops and wait for things to load.

Whut... Like this?

Nope. Not like that at all. PC also does not have it setup exactly like this so it's not perhaps the best reference. Now while I can set a range and change it from level to CP, I have to do that every time I login or change characters (Which does me no good because sometimes I'll forget). Although maybe there is a way to change your PC UI to this, but doing so does me no good really especially with all the changes it brings and it's still not what I want.

BTW - Did anyone ever ask me what platform I was on? I can see you guys cared more for torching me than trying to help. But anyways, what I want is a checkbox. There's no need to say I'm looking for CP 160 to 160. C'mon that's redundant and adds a bunch of extra steps. I'd love to have a checkbox that excludes any sales that are not exclusively CP160.

The way it works now is not very friendly. It's like saying do I want Epic : Legendary item or do I just want just a Legendary item. Because CP160 is top tier and thus it has nothing else to compare it to because nothing else CP wise is top Tier. Using a range to specificy something in a class by itself is not best logic.

Vulkunne · June 2

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

In the end, in many ways I kinda feel like Vivec. Alone but empowered. Even a stranger to my fellows. But empowered and with vision none the less. Now you know who I am.

Megalomaniac?

Vivec: one of three, not alone; killer of his best friend just because of his lust for glory; brings down a curse on his people; extortioner of the masses; false god. Nice role model.

And he squealed when he died...
so did Sotha Sil and Almalexia

No gods, no masters.

Edited for spoilers (if you haven't played the TES III expansions).

While true, it's each individual's choice with whom s/he identifies. Neither "identity" choice has a lot to do with the OP not wishing to use the selection option that's already available in the guild stores to limit choices to CP160.

Indeed. Apologies for going off topic.

Hey there is absolutely no need to apologize. Apologizing in and of itself is kind of like an admission of guilt whereas an intention to not actually break the law is different from someone opening themselves up by directly admitting fault. If you're guilty let them prove it, especially these days. However, I appreciate the conversation and the little departure from reality.

They are not listening, and you know, perhaps that's why I feel the way I do and in this regard I'm not alone, sadly. Whatever happened to uh how did she? put it... "...we need to accept the fact that everyone on here is not necessarily thinking the same or approaching the solution to a problem in the same way?" Something to that effect.

I thought I read someone on here say something like that to someone else in another thread... fairly recently.

TheMajority · June 2

BTW - Did anyone ever ask me what platform I was on? I can see you guys cared more for torching me than trying to help. But anyways, what I want is a checkbox. There's no need to say I'm looking for CP 160 to 160. C'mon that's redundant and adds a bunch of extra steps. I'd love to have a checkbox that excludes any sales that are not exclusively CP160.

It's your responsibility to put your platform in your first post to provide all the information needed to create an informed discussion. It's not the responsibility of other people to ask when you left them to assume and did not provide needed information.

If you want a discussion to be thorough, consider all the aspects someone would need to know about the UI you are using if you want changes to the UI. Especially since the devs themselves need this info in order to consider a change.

vsrs_au · June 2

Options for filtering the products by various criteria are common to online stores in the internet, and the buyer is free to use those filters to avoid accidentally buying the wrong product. The ESO guild store is no exception.

Vulkunne · June 2

TheMajority wrote: »

BTW - Did anyone ever ask me what platform I was on? I can see you guys cared more for torching me than trying to help. But anyways, what I want is a checkbox. There's no need to say I'm looking for CP 160 to 160. C'mon that's redundant and adds a bunch of extra steps. I'd love to have a checkbox that excludes any sales that are not exclusively CP160.

It's your responsibility to put your platform in your first post to provide all the information needed to create an informed discussion. It's not the responsibility of other people to ask when you left them to assume and did not provide needed information.

If you want a discussion to be thorough, consider all the aspects someone would need to know about the UI you are using if you want changes to the UI. Especially since the devs themselves need this info in order to consider a change.

I have a right to Privacy so it's not required or expected for me or anyone else to provide all of our information.

Furthermore, what you're saying then is people replying to this thread are also just as wrong for making their own assumptions rather than like I said, asking what specifically applies to me. My idea was written for me, purely as an idea yet maybe I could have wrote it better for the audience. Yet, their replies were written for them as well, to be critical of me.

So we're both wrong. Ok. It should not be this hard to suggest an idea. Others suggest ideas on here all the time and don't have to go thru this. I guess they're all posting their ideas wrongly as well then right? Please go look up their posts and let them know for us.

Vulkunne · June 2

oldbobdude wrote: »

I use awesome guild store. It lets me filter on just about anything. Useful so I don’t make a mistake

Ok yes. Thank you old for your kind and genuine response. In the chaos resulting from me just trying to find a QOL improvement, I did not see your post and I am sorry for that.

Thanks for this suggestion, this looks exactly like what I wanted. I figured it would be an add-on but there's so many commercial mods out there it can be hard to tell.