Furnishing Materials

jal74xb14_ESO

I know with all of the house options in ESO gathering sufficient furnishing materials to make all the items that we use to furnish them is a real pain.

My suggestion...?

Make refining resources produce furnishing materials AS WELL as the materials we are currently getting. Problem solved, or at least rendered more tolerable.

Veryamedliel

I don't see the pain. It's called farming or buying. I've never had a shortage of any furnishing mats. And if I would, I'd either farm or buy them. Problem solved.

That said, I'll never mind extra mats. But it's an illusion to think they'll make such a change, so what's a man/woman to do? Farm or buy.

vsrs_au

Veryamedliel wrote: »

I don't see the pain. It's called farming or buying. I've never had a shortage of any furnishing mats. And if I would, I'd either farm or buy them. Problem solved.

That said, I'll never mind extra mats. But it's an illusion to think they'll make such a change, so what's a man/woman to do? Farm or buy.

If farming for furniture materials was that easy, mundane rune wouldn't be listing on guild traders for a minimum of about 500g on EU (and 50% more on NA). These prices tend to be directly proportional to the difficulty of obtaining the material.

Sakiri

I'd go for getting them from surveys. At least there'd be a reason to do woodworking ones then.

Price on heartwood on pc na is asinine.

Jaimeh

Housing has really evolved since it was first introduced and the housing mats are a big limiting factor in engaging with the content. I get that they want to encourage people to use the crown furnishing menu, but I think it would be a good move to make survey nodes have at least a small chance to drop the corresponding housing materials. A lot of players are saving up surveys, so maybe this would also be a good motivator to complete them.

Hapexamendios

Mimic stones should be usable in furnishing plans in place of style materials.

TaSheen

Hapexamendios wrote: »

Mimic stones should be usable in furnishing plans in place of style materials.

That's a GREAT idea! Love it!

Orbital78

Sakiri wrote: »

I'd go for getting them from surveys. At least there'd be a reason to do woodworking ones then.

Price on heartwood on pc na is asinine.

it has actually dropped quite a bit, I know I farm it. I assume that the newer fancy furnishings tend to use it and mundane rune more than the others, because they have basically no value. The reason mundane rune is probably higher is due to the demand from recipes and also that harvesting runes is not very profitable other than psijic portals.

ESO_player123

Some mats are worse offenders than others. The mentioned above Heartwood and Mundane runes are the bad ones. I never have enough. And the worst one I think is the Ancient sandstone. I do not know how people build anything that includes Fargrave components.
I wish there were more sources for these materials.

(Just to clarify, I farm my own mats).

Metafae

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Some mats are worse offenders than others. The mentioned above Heartwood and Mundane runes are the bad ones. I never have enough. And the worst one I think is the Ancient sandstone. I do not know how people build anything that includes Fargrave components.
I wish there were more sources for these materials.

(Just to clarify, I farm my own mats).

Just checking, but the Ancient Sandstone should drop when deconstructing the Ra Gada style armor and weapons that drop from the Craglorn trials.

ESO_player123

Metafae wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Some mats are worse offenders than others. The mentioned above Heartwood and Mundane runes are the bad ones. I never have enough. And the worst one I think is the Ancient sandstone. I do not know how people build anything that includes Fargrave components.
I wish there were more sources for these materials.

(Just to clarify, I farm my own mats).

Just checking, but the Ancient Sandstone should drop when deconstructing the Ra Gada style armor and weapons that drop from the Craglorn trials.

If that is the case, that would not help me personally since I do not do trials. And getting them from chests is not enough by a long shot.

Metafae

ESO_player123 wrote: »

If that is the case, that would not help me personally since I do not do trials. And getting them from chests is not enough by a long shot.

That's a shame because if I remember correctly, the sets with the style you're needing drop more frequently in the normal version of these trials, and mostly the celestial style drops from the veteran versions.

Joining some pug runs would be able to net you quite a bit, especially if you ask nicely for extra pieces of gear at the end, most people doing them already have the sets and wouldn't mind giving you their extra items.

virtus753

Metafae wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

If that is the case, that would not help me personally since I do not do trials. And getting them from chests is not enough by a long shot.

That's a shame because if I remember correctly, the sets with the style you're needing drop more frequently in the normal version of these trials, and mostly the celestial style drops from the veteran versions.

I'm not sure if the disparity between drops based on difficulty is present anymore now that the sets have been reassigned to match the set collections menu so they can be curated intelligibly. Each trial now drops four sets, of which three are Celestial and one is Yokudan. None comes in Ra Gada, so I'm not sure why they would give Ancient Sandstone when deconned. I would be curious to know if they can.

In addition to chests (both treasure chests and event reward chests) in Craglorn, Ancient Sandstone also drops from bosses in the rifts and delves there.

VisitHammerfell

I agree. It's absolutely insanely expensive to furnish one house, and I have many like 40+ I would love to work on. There's a few things they could do

-Add furnishing mats to refinement as you mentioned
-Add them to hirelings
-Add them to max level writ rewards
-Increase the drop rate out in the wild
-Have them drop from max level surveys

Also on the note of the Ra Gada style, the only set I can think of is Syvarra's Scales in Hew's Bane

They lose nothing from increasing furnishing mats. Myself and so many people would buy more houses, and spend IRL money on more crown store furnishings, and invigorate the economy by buying furnishing plans. I am out and about a ton, and still if if it wasn't for Jubilee I wouldn't be able to decorate maybe even one large house. The only people opposed to this would be greedy furnishing mat sellers flippers. (As far as style mats yes I think farm or buy, you don't need nearly as many as those, I am strictly talking about furnishing materials)

BretonMage

Sakiri wrote: »

I'd go for getting them from surveys. At least there'd be a reason to do woodworking ones then.

Price on heartwood on pc na is asinine.

Yup. I'm getting to the point where I'm just destroying enchanting surveys now. Letting furnishing mats drop from surveys would be more than reasonable. I'd go so far as to say it's unreasonable not to include them in surveys if they can drop from normal nodes.

EF321

I have 40 furnished houses and have no problems with buying as much heartwood and mundane runes from other players as I need. There is no shortage of that in guild stores.

VisitHammerfell

EF321 wrote: »

I have 40 furnished houses and have no problems with buying as much heartwood and mundane runes from other players as I need. There is no shortage of that in guild stores.

The cost of it is the biggest issue and people flipping and jacking up prices especially around New Life. There is no real downside to have an increase of furnishing mats and make it more accessible to people who don't have 30 million+ gold. Even with an increase in mats, there will still be a market for people who need more than they can earn or people who don't want to do any farming at all. The economy for housing mats is only getting more and more ridiculous.

ESO_player123

EF321 wrote: »

I have 40 furnished houses and have no problems with buying as much heartwood and mundane runes from other players as I need. There is no shortage of that in guild stores.

There is no shortage but with the prices as they are now I would be broke before I'm done with what I want to build. So, I farm myself. More sources are always welcome.

ESO_player123

virtus753 wrote: »

Metafae wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

If that is the case, that would not help me personally since I do not do trials. And getting them from chests is not enough by a long shot.

That's a shame because if I remember correctly, the sets with the style you're needing drop more frequently in the normal version of these trials, and mostly the celestial style drops from the veteran versions.

I'm not sure if the disparity between drops based on difficulty is present anymore now that the sets have been reassigned to match the set collections menu so they can be curated intelligibly. Each trial now drops four sets, of which three are Celestial and one is Yokudan. None comes in Ra Gada, so I'm not sure why they would give Ancient Sandstone when deconned. I would be curious to know if they can.

In addition to chests (both treasure chests and event reward chests) in Craglorn, Ancient Sandstone also drops from bosses in the rifts and delves there.

Good to know, but considering we need 12+ for most of Fargrave items it's just not really feasible. Which is a pity. I really like Fargrave style.

EF321

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

There is no real downside to have an increase of furnishing mats and make it more accessible to people who don't have 30 million+ gold.

When I was a new player who didn't even reach CP160 yet, I enjoyed selling furnishing mats to endgame players. Little else I had that would make any reasonable coin to upgrade my bank space and feed horse, just flowers and furnishing mats. I am glad I can now buy material from new player and pay them good coin for honest work.

notyuu

Hapexamendios wrote: »

Mimic stones should be usable in furnishing plans in place of style materials.

You can already kinda do that
Use mimic stone to make gear piece in said style
Decon gear piece
Get style mat

Sure it's not a 100% return but it beats the hell outta farming the style mats

Veryamedliel

vsrs_au wrote: »

Veryamedliel wrote: »

I don't see the pain. It's called farming or buying. I've never had a shortage of any furnishing mats. And if I would, I'd either farm or buy them. Problem solved.

That said, I'll never mind extra mats. But it's an illusion to think they'll make such a change, so what's a man/woman to do? Farm or buy.

If farming for furniture materials was that easy, mundane rune wouldn't be listing on guild traders for a minimum of about 500g on EU (and 50% more on NA). These prices tend to be directly proportional to the difficulty of obtaining the material.

I never said it was easy. It wouldn't be called farming otherwise, would it? It would be called 'picking up'.
As for your final statement, that's merely an assumption with nothing but emotion trying to get your point across. Many people are also just lazy and don't want to farm, yet still expect low prices for other people's work. See the discussion on tri-pots somewhere around these forums. If you have objective proof showing the drop rate is really too low (or at least lower than ZoS claims it should be), I'm always interested in reading it.

freespirit

Housing is often touted as an "endgame" activity, something that may or may not be considered correct but when taking into account the....

1:- Cost of each house, even gold purchasable ones
2:- Cost of plans and difficulty of even farming some of them for personal use.
3:- Poor drop rates of ALL basic furnishing materials, when compared to numbers used for even one small furnishing.
4:- Awful drop rates of some style mats, especially those used in some of the newer structural furnishings and styles

It does mean that housing enthusiasts have to spend their valuable decorating time either farming or be rich enough to go to traders and buy these items, which also means aquiring items to sell to raise finances just to have enough gold to do that!

For me personally even with a small house I can spend many millions per house, some of my bigger houses have cost way over 15 million plus to decorate and what I considered to be a healthy stash of mats often needs replenishing part way through.

New sources of furnishing mats.have been needed for so long now it's beyond a joke, I think adding a drop chance to surveys would cost ZoS nothing.... hell more people might buy those outragious Crown Houses and make them more money!!

Gray_howling_parrot

I think that’s a great idea! I’d like to add a couple points to it:

- I think we really need a way to deconstruct furnishings that we no longer use, not desire, to give us the much needed furnishing materials
- I think we should have them drop from crafting surveys 100%

VisitHammerfell

EF321 wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

There is no real downside to have an increase of furnishing mats and make it more accessible to people who don't have 30 million+ gold.

When I was a new player who didn't even reach CP160 yet, I enjoyed selling furnishing mats to endgame players. Little else I had that would make any reasonable coin to upgrade my bank space and feed horse, just flowers and furnishing mats. I am glad I can now buy material from new player and pay them good coin for honest work.

I have never sold furnishing mats and did completely fine. Sitting at almost 28 million on console money. Stealing and writs are more than enough to start off with. Even if they increase furnishing mats, there will stll be a demand for them. Just because you are fine with it does not mean the rest of us should suffer

LaintalAy

jal74xb14_ESO wrote: »

I know with all of the house options in ESO gathering sufficient furnishing materials to make all the items that we use to furnish them is a real pain.

My suggestion...?

Make refining resources produce furnishing materials AS WELL as the materials we are currently getting. Problem solved, or at least rendered more tolerable.

I'd prefer that some of the insane quantities that most of these recipes require be reduced.
I can't be sure, but I think lots of the original furnishing recipes that didn't use these, had them added over time.

katanagirl1

I suppose if all you do is housing then maybe you can farm enough to decorate. I can farm for a couple of hours and get enough mundane runes to craft a handful of things in about 5 minutes and then I’m done.

I am not lazy, I have other activities to do - PvP, trials, pledges, crafting writs.

The number of style mats needed is also the issue. I recently started decorating the Daggerfall Overlook with enough torches and sconces to light the place and a few other furnishings, and I have used over 1500 Molybdenum. If that were another style that were more rare that would be a large fortune in gold.

DenverRalphy

LaintalAy wrote: »

jal74xb14_ESO wrote: »

I know with all of the house options in ESO gathering sufficient furnishing materials to make all the items that we use to furnish them is a real pain.

My suggestion...?

Make refining resources produce furnishing materials AS WELL as the materials we are currently getting. Problem solved, or at least rendered more tolerable.

I'd prefer that some of the insane quantities that most of these recipes require be reduced.
I can't be sure, but I think lots of the original furnishing recipes that didn't use these, had them added over time.

Agree. I don't mind the droprate, because when I'm actually determined i can acquire the furnishing mats pretty quick.

What I take issue with is the balancing of each type of mat across different types of furnishings. Mundane runes seem to be needed in way too many non-praxis recipes (patterns/blueprints/diagrams), and usually at a high cost. Bast and Regulus don't see as much crossover, but when they do the number required is often not as much as Mundanes when they cross over. Heartwood is a quick second. Aside from Mundanes and Heartwoods, the others I don't run out of near as quickly or often.

An assessment and re-balancing of required mats would do wonders.

I'd like to see a database of aggregated furnishing plans to see the average number of plans you'll find each material is needed, average cost in their primary type of plan, and average requirements for crossover mats.

jcaceresw

I could try to sell the thousands of each mat I have in my craft bag but the pretty low prices of them as shown with TTC makes me to hold them instead.

Sakiri

DenverRalphy wrote: »

LaintalAy wrote: »

jal74xb14_ESO wrote: »

I know with all of the house options in ESO gathering sufficient furnishing materials to make all the items that we use to furnish them is a real pain.

My suggestion...?

Make refining resources produce furnishing materials AS WELL as the materials we are currently getting. Problem solved, or at least rendered more tolerable.

I'd prefer that some of the insane quantities that most of these recipes require be reduced.
I can't be sure, but I think lots of the original furnishing recipes that didn't use these, had them added over time.

Agree. I don't mind the droprate, because when I'm actually determined i can acquire the furnishing mats pretty quick.

What I take issue with is the balancing of each type of mat across different types of furnishings. Mundane runes seem to be needed in way too many non-praxis recipes (patterns/blueprints/diagrams), and usually at a high cost. Bast and Regulus don't see as much crossover, but when they do the number required is often not as much as Mundanes when they cross over. Heartwood is a quick second. Aside from Mundanes and Heartwoods, the others I don't run out of near as quickly or often.

An assessment and re-balancing of required mats would do wonders.

I'd like to see a database of aggregated furnishing plans to see the average number of plans you'll find each material is needed, average cost in their primary type of plan, and average requirements for crossover mats.

Small recipes requiring 12 heartwood is just nuts.

kind_hero

Like many people said, the scarcity of housing materials is a big issue in order to enjoy housing. A house costs millions of gold in mats to be fully decorated.

Some people are saying hey, that's fine, but not everyone has millions of gold or the time to farm it.

A solution would be to create more ways to obtain these materials, other than simple farming raw materials.
Maps, dailies, hirelings, crafting or refining/processing mats. I have many houses for years which are still unfinished because I can't get enough mats, especially runes and heartwood.