No heal on protected platform area in IC, but you can keep a DOT?

FlopsyPrince

You should either clear DOTs on you when entering this area or allow a heal.

Allowing pet summoning is another related change that should be made.

Necrotech_Master

when you are in the protected area you take no dmg, regardless if you have dots going on you

as soon as you get the sanctuary buff (the bluish-purply glow) you become immune to dmg

you are also unable to cast any skills while you have this buff

FlopsyPrince

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

when you are in the protected area you take no dmg, regardless if you have dots going on you

as soon as you get the sanctuary buff (the bluish-purply glow) you become immune to dmg

you are also unable to cast any skills while you have this buff

That is not true. You can take damage from an effect (DOT) already on you when you enter. I have died in the protected area, unable to heal myself.

FlopsyPrince

I was parked on the platform for the weekly endeavor.

Got nuked after getting hit with a poison. (I had run out briefly.)

Though how they can target me but I could not have targeted them (even with range) is also idiotic! The poison kept killing me, even in the safe area.

Necrotech_Master

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

when you are in the protected area you take no dmg, regardless if you have dots going on you

as soon as you get the sanctuary buff (the bluish-purply glow) you become immune to dmg

you are also unable to cast any skills while you have this buff

That is not true. You can take damage from an effect (DOT) already on you when you enter. I have died in the protected area, unable to heal myself.

never seen that happen, ive saved myself numerous times by getting into the protected area as i was dying from dots, i just waited for all the dots to expire and then stepped out of the sanctuary and healed myself

when i would snipe from the tower in the area district, i always liked to be in the middle of the platform with the side of the opening so i could dodge roll backward in the case i was taking too much heat (or to block meteors)

the only time ive seen someone take dmg from inside the safe area is from a summoned pet (warden bear or sorc pet), such as the nobles district when your in the area for the story quest which is a safe area, ive seen someone of enemy faction come in and run around trying to avoid the bear while i was questing on my warden because it could still hurt them (not sure this was ever fixed because its a really rare case), but as far as i can tell you are protected from all player-sourced dmg (pets dmg is not considered player sourced, thats why they cant trigger procs)

FlopsyPrince

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

when you are in the protected area you take no dmg, regardless if you have dots going on you

as soon as you get the sanctuary buff (the bluish-purply glow) you become immune to dmg

you are also unable to cast any skills while you have this buff

That is not true. You can take damage from an effect (DOT) already on you when you enter. I have died in the protected area, unable to heal myself.

never seen that happen, ive saved myself numerous times by getting into the protected area as i was dying from dots, i just waited for all the dots to expire and then stepped out of the sanctuary and healed myself

when i would snipe from the tower in the area district, i always liked to be in the middle of the platform with the side of the opening so i could dodge roll backward in the case i was taking too much heat (or to block meteors)

the only time ive seen someone take dmg from inside the safe area is from a summoned pet (warden bear or sorc pet), such as the nobles district when your in the area for the story quest which is a safe area, ive seen someone of enemy faction come in and run around trying to avoid the bear while i was questing on my warden because it could still hurt them (not sure this was ever fixed because its a really rare case), but as far as i can tell you are protected from all player-sourced dmg (pets dmg is not considered player sourced, thats why they cant trigger procs)

Well I died earlier (as noted) to poison on the ground, even after entering the "safe area" so it is not working for me. The poison kept ticking until I died.

Someone must have gotten their jollies out of that too. I didn't have much tel var either since I was mostly just sitting on the platform.

Necrotech_Master

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

when you are in the protected area you take no dmg, regardless if you have dots going on you

as soon as you get the sanctuary buff (the bluish-purply glow) you become immune to dmg

you are also unable to cast any skills while you have this buff

That is not true. You can take damage from an effect (DOT) already on you when you enter. I have died in the protected area, unable to heal myself.

never seen that happen, ive saved myself numerous times by getting into the protected area as i was dying from dots, i just waited for all the dots to expire and then stepped out of the sanctuary and healed myself

when i would snipe from the tower in the area district, i always liked to be in the middle of the platform with the side of the opening so i could dodge roll backward in the case i was taking too much heat (or to block meteors)

the only time ive seen someone take dmg from inside the safe area is from a summoned pet (warden bear or sorc pet), such as the nobles district when your in the area for the story quest which is a safe area, ive seen someone of enemy faction come in and run around trying to avoid the bear while i was questing on my warden because it could still hurt them (not sure this was ever fixed because its a really rare case), but as far as i can tell you are protected from all player-sourced dmg (pets dmg is not considered player sourced, thats why they cant trigger procs)

Well I died earlier (as noted) to poison on the ground, even after entering the "safe area" so it is not working for me. The poison kept ticking until I died.

Someone must have gotten their jollies out of that too. I didn't have much tel var either since I was mostly just sitting on the platform.

poison on the ground? was it leeching plate that was hitting you through the sanctuary buff? the only thing i know of that creates a poison dot on the ground

any stick dots ive had on me never affected me, nor getting hit by meteor on the safe spot (or the meteors ground dot)

regardless i would probably say taking any dmg through it would be considered a bug (i believe the pet issue was also a bug)

katanagirl1

Is it possible that you can die from the dots you already received before entering the sanctuary zone? Maybe it just prevents you from getting new attacks.

Necrotech_Master

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Is it possible that you can die from the dots you already received before entering the sanctuary zone? Maybe it just prevents you from getting new attacks.

nope, you should be protected as soon as you get sanctuary, ive dodge rolled into the sanctuary zone while having at least 5 dots on me before (ele sus + poison injection + plaguebreak) with <20% hp remaining and i didnt take any further dmg while i was under sanctuary, even though i couldnt heal i wasnt taking dmg either, i just waited for the dots to expire before i left the sanctuary zone and healed up

ive also blocked the dmg from meteors getting into the sanctuary zone fast enough

FlopsyPrince

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Is it possible that you can die from the dots you already received before entering the sanctuary zone? Maybe it just prevents you from getting new attacks.

nope, you should be protected as soon as you get sanctuary, ive dodge rolled into the sanctuary zone while having at least 5 dots on me before (ele sus + poison injection + plaguebreak) with <20% hp remaining and i didnt take any further dmg while i was under sanctuary, even though i couldnt heal i wasnt taking dmg either, i just waited for the dots to expire before i left the sanctuary zone and healed up

ive also blocked the dmg from meteors getting into the sanctuary zone fast enough

You are wrong. I died from a dot that continued to hit for several ticks AFTER I entered the protected area. Thus you are nuked if you run back in since you can't stop the dots. I had this directly happen to me so it is not just a claim.

thorwyn

It kind of would make sense, because that way, the game only needs to check the conditions when the effect is being cast. If DOT's would drop of once you get back into the safe zone, the game would constantly have to calculate your position and the effects and you would basically get a free purge.
Walk out of the safe zone, cast a HOT, go back in and check if it's still running.

Necrotech_Master

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Is it possible that you can die from the dots you already received before entering the sanctuary zone? Maybe it just prevents you from getting new attacks.

nope, you should be protected as soon as you get sanctuary, ive dodge rolled into the sanctuary zone while having at least 5 dots on me before (ele sus + poison injection + plaguebreak) with <20% hp remaining and i didnt take any further dmg while i was under sanctuary, even though i couldnt heal i wasnt taking dmg either, i just waited for the dots to expire before i left the sanctuary zone and healed up

ive also blocked the dmg from meteors getting into the sanctuary zone fast enough

You are wrong. I died from a dot that continued to hit for several ticks AFTER I entered the protected area. Thus you are nuked if you run back in since you can't stop the dots. I had this directly happen to me so it is not just a claim.

i dont know what to tell you then, what im describing is exactly what happened to me, and i used this tactic liberally while i was in a tower snipe phase during multiple IC events (its too hard to do tower sniping any more especially with people using frozen gate lol)

FlopsyPrince

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Is it possible that you can die from the dots you already received before entering the sanctuary zone? Maybe it just prevents you from getting new attacks.

nope, you should be protected as soon as you get sanctuary, ive dodge rolled into the sanctuary zone while having at least 5 dots on me before (ele sus + poison injection + plaguebreak) with <20% hp remaining and i didnt take any further dmg while i was under sanctuary, even though i couldnt heal i wasnt taking dmg either, i just waited for the dots to expire before i left the sanctuary zone and healed up

ive also blocked the dmg from meteors getting into the sanctuary zone fast enough

You are wrong. I died from a dot that continued to hit for several ticks AFTER I entered the protected area. Thus you are nuked if you run back in since you can't stop the dots. I had this directly happen to me so it is not just a claim.

i dont know what to tell you then, what im describing is exactly what happened to me, and i used this tactic liberally while i was in a tower snipe phase during multiple IC events (its too hard to do tower sniping any more especially with people using frozen gate lol)

Maybe it has something to do with how you get infected or the specific platform?

Either way, you should be able to heal in that area and summon pets.

wazzz56

for clarity, you were mid fight and entered a safe zone through a door or you were camping the platform and took damage from somebody and continued to take the dot dmg after trying to hide in the "safe zone" by the door to the base?

Necrotech_Master

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Is it possible that you can die from the dots you already received before entering the sanctuary zone? Maybe it just prevents you from getting new attacks.

nope, you should be protected as soon as you get sanctuary, ive dodge rolled into the sanctuary zone while having at least 5 dots on me before (ele sus + poison injection + plaguebreak) with <20% hp remaining and i didnt take any further dmg while i was under sanctuary, even though i couldnt heal i wasnt taking dmg either, i just waited for the dots to expire before i left the sanctuary zone and healed up

ive also blocked the dmg from meteors getting into the sanctuary zone fast enough

You are wrong. I died from a dot that continued to hit for several ticks AFTER I entered the protected area. Thus you are nuked if you run back in since you can't stop the dots. I had this directly happen to me so it is not just a claim.

i dont know what to tell you then, what im describing is exactly what happened to me, and i used this tactic liberally while i was in a tower snipe phase during multiple IC events (its too hard to do tower sniping any more especially with people using frozen gate lol)

Maybe it has something to do with how you get infected or the specific platform?

Either way, you should be able to heal in that area and summon pets.

plague applies from any other direct dmg, theres no different ways to get infected, once you are you get the dot

when ive stood on the door to get sanctuary on one of the arena district towers, i dont take dmg regardless of what the effect is, ive had different instances of (not all the same time mind you but ive protected myself from these effects using sanctuary):

• poison injection
• ele sus + status effects
• plaguebreak proc
• maw of the infernal proc
• venemous smite proc
• sheer venom proc
• meteor (direct hit and/or dot)
• entropy/morphs

and thats not even a complete list

the only time i recall seeing someone take dmg through sanctuary was with a warden bear (been on both ends of this one), cant confirm if this same thing happens with sorc pets

furiouslog

I almost forgot about this thread. I just went and tested this myself yesterday, and everything Flopsy said is wrong. It's working properly as intended. No need to continue the discussion, they must have imagined it.

Jaraal

There are plenty of sets and skills that will reflect or reciprocate damage upon your attackers. Occasionally, during events where the unskilled or PvP resenters will try to cheese and snipe from the "safety" of the platform, and I will gear up accordingly and stand around under the enemy base.

It's quite amusing to see how many kills I can get this way, without actually directly firing upon the sniping opportunists. And unfortunately for their faction mates, their actions often trigger AoE retaliation that takes out innocent bystanders that are just happening to stand too close to the perpetrators. And to be fair, here's part of one setup that is pretty effective: Use Crystallized Slab, Ice Furnace, and Infernal guardian plus one other set and 2 other skills that shall remain unnamed, if you don't mind blowing up several people on the platform at once.

And regarding the Sanctuary buff negating DoT damage? I've seen several people run to the trapdoor, turn blue and die from a DoT. I've even seen people climb down the ladder and blow up from Curse when they spawn in. Is that a bug? Probably. But it does happen.

BetweenMidgets

Pets can definitely kill you through the IC silence. I remember one time a sorcs matriarch was killing me when I was afk after having used a bunch of keys. The guy was just sitting there waiting. I wasn't able to leave because the bird was still hitting me.

One of the few instances I've been thankful for the queue out to Cyrodiil, as I had a decent amount of telvar on me at that point.

FlopsyPrince

furiouslog wrote: »

I almost forgot about this thread. I just went and tested this myself yesterday, and everything Flopsy said is wrong. It's working properly as intended. No need to continue the discussion, they must have imagined it.

Sorry, but I died to a "splat" of what I assume was damage on the ground. I was in the "safe" area for at least 3 ticks, perhaps 5. I was playing on a character I don't play much and forgot the self-heal, but the ticks kept up until I died. So you are wrong.

FlopsyPrince

Jaraal wrote: »

There are plenty of sets and skills that will reflect or reciprocate damage upon your attackers. Occasionally, during events where the unskilled or PvP resenters will try to cheese and snipe from the "safety" of the platform, and I will gear up accordingly and stand around under the enemy base.

It's quite amusing to see how many kills I can get this way, without actually directly firing upon the sniping opportunists. And unfortunately for their faction mates, their actions often trigger AoE retaliation that takes out innocent bystanders that are just happening to stand too close to the perpetrators. And to be fair, here's part of one setup that is pretty effective: Use Crystallized Slab, Ice Furnace, and Infernal guardian plus one other set and 2 other skills that shall remain unnamed, if you don't mind blowing up several people on the platform at once.

And regarding the Sanctuary buff negating DoT damage? I've seen several people run to the trapdoor, turn blue and die from a DoT. I've even seen people climb down the ladder and blow up from Curse when they spawn in. Is that a bug? Probably. But it does happen.

Exactly! I didn't go down the ladder, but the ticks kept going and it wasn't a pet. I wasn't even attacking, so I am not sure where the opponent was. (The fact it is easier to shoot up than down is a quite annoying "feature".)

moderatelyfatman

I remember when Dark Convergence first came out, I would simply exist the sewers and die in the protected area after getting pulled in with DC spammers.

I was a lousy Midyear Mayhem.

CalamityCat

If it has only happened once, I'd suggest it's just a glitch in the game. I've certainly never taken damage unexpectedly in IC, or heard of a problem there.

I've had a few odd things happen in PvP, but usually when the game was laggy. I wouldn't worry unless it's happening consistently.

FlopsyPrince

CalamityCat wrote: »

If it has only happened once, I'd suggest it's just a glitch in the game. I've certainly never taken damage unexpectedly in IC, or heard of a problem there.

I've had a few odd things happen in PvP, but usually when the game was laggy. I wouldn't worry unless it's happening consistently.

I have died on the platform in a similar manner several different times in the past. Not a one-time thing.

belial5221_ESO

Safe area is only against new attacks,If you got a debuff, DoT,bleed,etc on you already it won't pause,stop,or clear it.Though there is a thing where they can use Dark Convergence and it'll pull you out,which I'm not sure if that was intended or not,cause other pulls don't work.

FlopsyPrince

Another aspect of this is that I would argue that no one should be able to shoot up on the platform if someone in the targeted location could not shoot down.at the same player. Range would still be an issue, but you have to be right on the edge of the platform to shoot down, but you can shoot up a fair ways into the platform.

Though this is different than my OP point.