Unbalanced item value?

CappinMorgan

Does anyone else think that when selling items to vendors, the prices are somewhat unbalanced? I can sell a rubbish iron dagger for several gold coins but the maximum value I can get for a decent potion seems to be 1 gold coin!

Sharee

It may be that the price reflects the sacrifice you are making. You could have disassembled that dagger, getting crafting experience, iron bars, and maybe a trait gem as well. You give all that up by selling it instead.

Lisa

To add to this conversation, I know the pricing is off. I bought empty petty soul gems for 21 gold each. After I filled them they were only worth 18! Are they making it difficult to earn money on purpose?

seanolan

Of course they are! This is an MMORPG...money is intentionally short. Why else would every bandit, thug, and other thief-type enemy only carry 1 frakking septim?

Lisa

seanolan wrote: »

Of course they are! This is an MMORPG...money is intentionally short. Why else would every bandit, thug, and other thief-type enemy only carry 1 frakking septim?

This is my first MMO, so is it really the reason?

seanolan

Yeah, honestly. Wasn't trying to be snarky. Online games tend to(always?) have a shortage of money. Otherwise, it would be kind of valueless. After all, with hundreds, thousands of players earning money, the game would be glutted with gold in moments. If there is to be inter-player trading, gold must be relatively scarce.

Lisa

@seanolan‌, no worries, . It would be crazy if we all had a horse by level 10. It's going to take a while.

Uncle_Bob

It's a brand new game. As the community levels up, more gold will be put in the economy. Every new game starts off with people feeling like they're always flat broke because items don't sell for much and repair costs seem to be too high. It will balance itself out

sirvincentiii

Lisa wrote: »

To add to this conversation, I know the pricing is off. I bought empty petty soul gems for 21 gold each. After I filled them they were only worth 18! Are they making it difficult to earn money on purpose?

Selling to vendors are never a good way to flip your costs. If you want to profit, you need to sell it to other players and start by selling it through your guild.

Salsadoom

It makes economic sense. There are millions of adventurers trying to sell stuff so the merchants have a huge supply. Adventurers have more gold than your average person so they jack up the prices they sell for.

Just remember this when you are ransacking their lootables in their shop that you are just balancing it out

Lisa

sirvincentiii wrote: »

Lisa wrote: »

To add to this conversation, I know the pricing is off. I bought empty petty soul gems for 21 gold each. After I filled them they were only worth 18! Are they making it difficult to earn money on purpose?

Selling to vendors are never a good way to flip your costs. If you want to profit, you need to sell it to other players and start by selling it through your guild.

This really is more in depth than I expected. Thanks for the advise! Now I'm looking forward to the auction house I keep reading about on here.

cloudsora

A full minor soul gem is sold by vendor for 500 gold... its bought back for 15 gold... the empty is sold for 60... that's just STUPID. MMO or Elder Scrolls that's just dumb logic, it should sell for AT LEAST 60 so you're breaking even at the very least, the default value it lists to sell them for in the guild store is 45... that's still not breaking even.

Salsadoom

Sure it makes sense, the merchant has 30 in the back, he really doesn't need yours, but he is willing to take it off your hands. Try taking a common item to a pawn shop IRL and see what you get. The guild store is giving you a break because you are a member. Now if you were a member of the merchant guild they might work with you...

CappinMorgan

Yeah, I take your guys point about not wanting to flood the game with loads of gold but I still think there should be at least some differentiation in value between different levels of potion. You have it with everything else i.e. level 10 armor sells for more than level 6, so why doesn't level 10 potion sell for a bit more than level 3? I'm not asking for a fortune, just a bit more of a balance.

Salsadoom

Another thing to consider, they are setting up a new economy. Which will tick players off more, starting everything too low then raising it, or starting too high and lowering it?

The game is new, they need to watch to see how things go first before making tweaks to the system

driosketch

Lisa wrote: »

To add to this conversation, I know the pricing is off. I bought empty petty soul gems for 21 gold each. After I filled them they were only worth 18! Are they making it difficult to earn money on purpose?

That was a beta test catch. At first a filled petty soul gem used to sell for more than an empty one cost. It was very easy to cheese the system by one hitting common animals for their souls. My guess as to why it's lower and not even, is then players (or bots) could infinitely cycle filled gems for new empties to level the skill line.

Lisa

driosketch wrote: »

Lisa wrote: »

To add to this conversation, I know the pricing is off. I bought empty petty soul gems for 21 gold each. After I filled them they were only worth 18! Are they making it difficult to earn money on purpose?

That was a beta test catch. At first a filled petty soul gem used to sell for more than an empty one cost. It was very easy to cheese the system by one hitting common animals for their souls. My guess as to why it's lower and not even, is then players (or bots) could infinitely cycle filled gems for new empties to level the skill line.

Understandable, I didn't think about it like that. Of course, I've never had experience with bots. I'm quite naïve when it comes to shortcuts in games like this.

Laerian

Not all mmorpgs are designed to make the players feel they are being ripped off by every vendor.

Depending the item type some use the 1/5, 1/10 ratios etc. TESO uses 0/9 , 0/15, 1/20 1 /25 to name a few that I've seen.

natedawg84

How much do vendors sell grand soul gems for? I know empty grand soul gems are sold for 124. But I want to know because even though its not difficult to fill them it is time consuming. So there will be a market of players who have the cash and don't want to go around filling up soul gems when they could be playing.

dan0311

I bought a few empty Common Soul Gems from a vendor because there are very few of any type dropped in the game. They were 75 empty, and, like 500 filled. I filled it and tried to sell it back and it was only worth 20. That's just a huge difference and yes it seems underbalanced.

I mean, what's wrong with setting it up so you can make a little gold filling soul gems? You could make money chopping wood in Skyrim...there were countless mundane tasks you could perform for a few bucks.

You can walk into any pawn shop in the world and I can guarantee you that if they have something on the shelf for five hundred bucks they're NOT going to offer you a piddly little twenty bucks for the one you are trying to sell them.

I mean, I get it, but it shouldn't be as drastic a difference. Or maybe the game could drop an empty soul gem now and then?