Does anyone still do gold-quality Master Writs in Clothing, Blacksmithing, or Woodworking?

HumbleThaumaturge · April 10

For the 10th anniversary event, I've been doing daily crafting writs for the first time in years. I won't be doing the dailies after the event is over.

When Master Writs were first introduced, I recorded the drops (writs and voucher value) for 10 weeks in a spreadsheet (which I still have). Looking at the Master Writ drop rate and the number of vouchers per Master Writ from back then, I'd estimate that the voucher drop rate is now less than 30 percent of what it was originally. Making Master Writs even less appealing, the cost of gold-quality upgrade materials is now much more than it was back then. Perhaps ten times more costly? I went around to Guild Stores this past week looking at the gold-price of items purchased with Vouchers. Clearly, the cost of the gold-quality upgrade materials is now much greater than the value of the resulting vouchers. So . . . does anyone still do gold-quality Master Writs in Clothing, Blacksmithing, or Woodworking? If so, why?

Aside: Looking at my records from the time when Master Writs first started, I was reminded that it was not uncommon to get gold-level Master Writs for clothing, blacksmithing, and woodworking that were worth 250 to 300 Vouchers, or more. Has anyone seen such large writs in recent years? Or were such jumbo-writs eliminated long ago? ZOS: How about raising the Voucher value of these gold-level Master Writs?

StarOfElyon · April 10

I'm currently not doing any writs that earn under 100 vouchers. It's just not worth the material experience or effort to learn the required crafting style to do the ones with smaller rewards.

EF321 · April 10

Anything, as long as cost per voucher is below price of voucher.
Total amount of vouchers writ provides doesn't matter.

Has anyone seen such large writs in recent years?

Just recently had BS ~350 vouchers

Alastrine · April 10

Still do them all - except gold Clothing ones, those I don't do.
Didn't use to do the gold jewelry before they changed how the gold mats work, now I do those too.

freespirit · April 10

I don't do gold clothing ones but funnily enough I did all my gold and purple blacksmith and wood ones just last night.

The overall voucher cost was under 500g per voucher and I am fine with that, the mats just sit in my craft bag otherwise and with the current event and actually doing crafting writs on all my characters, I have even more than usual.

Tbh without Writworthy I might think twice about doing them but it is just too easy with it!!

HumbleThaumaturge · April 10

Alastrine wrote: »

Still do them all - except gold Clothing ones, those I don't do.
Didn't use to do the gold jewelry before they changed how the gold mats work, now I do those too.

Oh, that's something I discovered this week! I had about 100 Jewelry Master Writs from the old system that I never completed or destroyed. The upgrade materials were just too darned expensive, before the change. But after learning about the new upgrade system, I realized that those old jewelry Master Writs were finally worth doing. For example, the old gold-quality writs I had were worth over 600 vouchers each! (Much cheering.) I still won't do jewelry writs using Infused trait or Triune trait.

freespirit · April 10

HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »

Alastrine wrote: »

Still do them all - except gold Clothing ones, those I don't do.
Didn't use to do the gold jewelry before they changed how the gold mats work, now I do those too.

Oh, that's something I discovered this week! I had about 100 Jewelry Master Writs from the old system that I never completed or destroyed. The upgrade materials were just too darned expensive, before the change. But after learning about the new upgrade system, I realized that those old jewelry Master Writs were finally worth doing. For example, the old gold-quality writs I had were worth over 600 vouchers each! (Much cheering.) I still won't do jewelry writs using Infused trait or Triune trait.

Actually Triune have voucher numbers high enough to make them still viable for me but on PC-EU infused are out of the question for me atm.

I always have spare AP knocking around for Dawn Prism but Auric Amber is such a pain to aquire. I have quite a few so I do keep the writs that require it, as they also have quite high voucher numbers and if I ever need vouchers fast, I have the option to do them! 🙂

Edit:- I still have a large stash of Blue Jewelry Master Writs, cannot decide whether to do them, sell them or keep them until they are really rare!

GuuMoonRyoung · April 10

Either the inflation needs to be controlled or voucher reward needs to be increased from golden and purple writs. Sometimes I see golden or purple writs that barely gives 40+ vouchers, yet the cost of mats are over 100K. This is ridiculous. If ZOS can not cope with the player set price of materials, they need to make the voucher reward from writs dynamic to account for that. Or just simply control the guild store price.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · April 10

Gold blacksmithing, woodworking, most enchanting, and also some jewelery (they are better now).

But I don't do clothing. The material cost per voucher is too high.

Araneae6537 · April 10

Simply control guild store price? There would be NO dreugh wax available from guild stores if that were ever done! It is a rare commodity much used in of course armor upgrades as well as some furnishings. The current price is not worth me parting with any that I get. You can be sure I wouldn’t even think of selling at some set price!

Now chromium used to be valuable enough that I never upgraded my jewelry to gold and sold my platings. Otherwise I would have traded them directly for gold if guild prices were set.

Now if ZOS chose to increase the rate from refinement, that would increase the supply and decrease the price naturally.

GuuMoonRyoung · April 10

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Simply control guild store price? There would be NO dreugh wax available from guild stores if that were ever done! It is a rare commodity much used in of course armor upgrades as well as some furnishings. The current price is not worth me parting with any that I get. You can be sure I wouldn’t even think of selling at some set price!

Now chromium used to be valuable enough that I never upgraded my jewelry to gold and sold my platings. Otherwise I would have traded them directly for gold if guild prices were set.

Now if ZOS chose to increase the rate from refinement, that would increase the supply and decrease the price naturally.

It's simple, ZOS could put a cap on how much gold players can trade by guild store and by direct trading per week per account. I know it is too much control over players but at least would keep the inflation out of the game.

TaSheen · April 10

I do the ones I know the motifs for. It's the purples that really aren't worth doing for me. An occasional purple jewelry writ is worth it, and those I'll do.

I won't buy prohibitively expensive motifs just to do writs. I hang onto the writs for a while, to see if I can find the motif cheaper (or like now, get three or four I needed from Jubilee boxes).

Danikat · April 10

I only worry about the cost of materials (and motifs) I don't already have. If I can complete a writ without needing to buy anything then I will, and I usually can do the gold writs.

I've got more gold than I really need and always want more writ vouchers, so it's more worthwhile for me to do them than sell the writs or the materials. If anything I'm more likely to buy additional writs to do, although I don't do that often because I find completing them irritating to do in small amounts and boring to do in large batches, so I usually only do my own.

I do make sure I keep at least enough upgrade materials (and other materials), to make a full set of gear, just in case I want to do that at short notice, but I usually have enough even of the gold materials that I don't need to worry about hitting that limit.

ellmarie · April 10

I'll only do the higher ones because I need those vouchers. I hardly do any jewelry ones anymore. But I don't get the high voucher ones like I used to. I spent all my master vouchers for furnishing items, now I'm trying to build it up again, but I rarely get any good ones.

metheglyn · April 10

If I know the motif already, I'll do it. If not, I trash it.

For jewelry I only do the three common traits, no matter how many vouchers it is, because I don't have a good stockpile of the rarer trait materials for that.

All the others, though, I have plenty of upgrade materials sitting in my crafting bag, so it's nothing to me to use those gold mats for vouchers.

agelonestar · April 10

Master Writs are incredibly useful and I do them regularly.

1. The only source of Writ Vouchers
2. A lot of the stuff that can be bought for Vouchers is worth having
2. A fantastic and easy source of XP

I do any that I get, whether they're gold or otherwise. The only writs I sometimes balk at are the Provisioning ones that need a Perfect Roe as the value differential there is questionable.

Hapexamendios · April 10

Do all my writs unless buying a motif I don't know is too much.

HumbleThaumaturge · April 10

Thanks to all who commented! I was very interested to learn what other players are doing and thinking.

Jaraal · April 10

I sell the gold clothing writs, do the woodworking ones, and do the blacksmithing ones if voucher to alloy ratio is fair.

reazea · April 10

Gold woodworking writs I always do, the resin is cheap.

Gold blacksmithing writs I usually do.

Gold clothing writs go to the vendor, always.

Gold jewelry writs always go to the vendor too if I get them.

ESO_player123 · April 10

If I do not know the motif I destroy the writ. I also do not do the jewelry writs that require triune/bloodthirsty/swift.
I sometimes pause at the clothing gold writs since most of my toons wear light armor and might need an upgrade but eventually I do them too.

Since I'm not in a guild I do not sell upgrade mats. So, the money I could have gotten for them is of no concern for me. If I do not do the writs, the mats will just sit in my craft bag anyway (and I do need the vouchers).

redlink1979 · April 10

I craft them all except triune writs.

The_Boggart · April 10

Got piles of writs but don't know the styles

Nestor · April 10

Wood and Metal, yes.

Clothe/Leather and Jewelry, never.

SeaGtGruff · April 10

I always do master writs if I can, regardless of how many vouchers they reward.

Note, the quality of the requested item is not the only factor in determining how many vouchers it rewards; the trait is also a large factor, as well as (to a small extent, I think) the style.

Necrotech_Master · April 10

i do any master writs im able to do, i will not buy mats i just hold onto the writ until i have the necessary materials

cost of materials is irrelevant to me because i dont buy them

moo_2021 · April 10

No because I have run out of things to buy by writ vouchers.

AcadianPaladin · April 10

I do a set of (7) normal daily writs on one character each day. I then do any/all master writs that I get unless (a) I don't know the motif, or (b) it is one of about half the jewelry traits that are too hard to get the trait mat for. I don't belong to a trader guild so don't care about selling stuff. Got plenty of mats, gold, resources. My main purpose for writ vouchers is to help my guild buy the new attunable tables each time they drop.

Dawnblade · April 10

Depends on the mat value per voucher. I don't care what mats are used, as long as the ratio of cost to payout is fair - which for cloth is generally a giant nope, but for woodworking and blacksmithing, usually ok.

NoTimeToWait · April 10

I prefer to do writs that yield more than 50 vouchers per writ (200+ vouchers per writ is preferable which are mostly gold ones) if I need to buy anything for writ vouchers

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Simply control guild store price? There would be NO dreugh wax available from guild stores if that were ever done! It is a rare commodity much used in of course armor upgrades as well as some furnishings. The current price is not worth me parting with any that I get. You can be sure I wouldn’t even think of selling at some set price!

Now chromium used to be valuable enough that I never upgraded my jewelry to gold and sold my platings. Otherwise I would have traded them directly for gold if guild prices were set.

Now if ZOS chose to increase the rate from refinement, that would increase the supply and decrease the price naturally.

It's simple, ZOS could put a cap on how much gold players can trade by guild store and by direct trading per week per account. I know it is too much control over players but at least would keep the inflation out of the game.

And if you think what actually happens in this case, is that if there is a cap on gold traded per day or per week, then any gold left over in wallets will become effectively useless, which significantly devalues gold. That means that items become significantly more valuable, since they will become rationed on guild traders due to total gold sold bottleneck, which means people would be more reluctant to sell things.

Which results in very significant increase in prices. Which would be the opposite of the desired effect

LaintalAy · April 10

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

Either the inflation needs to be controlled or voucher reward needs to be increased from golden and purple writs. Sometimes I see golden or purple writs that barely gives 40+ vouchers, yet the cost of mats are over 100K. This is ridiculous. If ZOS can not cope with the player set price of materials, they need to make the voucher reward from writs dynamic to account for that. Or just simply control the guild store price.

There is no inflation.

Dreugh wax is a high-volume item and as such WILL NOT SELL when there are cheaper versions offered for sale.
The market works as intended; the price is et by the player. The buying player agrees by paying the recommended price.

Otherwise, the purchasing player can develop farming and crafting skills and go FARM THEIR OWN.

You can argue that GOLD level clothing writs are uneconomical, but that doesn't mean that people won't do them.