Old Jubilee Cakes from 2016 to 2019?

Dimpfel · April 9

Hey guys!

Unfortunately, I was disappointed to discover that even on the 10th anniversary you can't buy the very old cakes as housing items from the Impresaria...
Why not ZOS?
Unfortunately I only have the cakes from 2020-2024. But I've been playing since 2018... I would have liked to have the old cakes for housing...

What I don't fully understand is that there are only cakes from 2020 to 2024, but the cake pieces from 2016/18 and 2019 are available in addition to the others... That's a real shame man...

Pleaaaaase give us the old ones!

Shara_Wynn · April 9

Well for those of us who never started playing until 2022, we can only get the 2022, 2023 and 2024 cakes. And if you didn't start playing until this year then well, just the one cake for you.

It would be nice to be able to buy all the years anniversary cakes but I guess if you weren't at the party, you don't get to have any of the cake

Blood_again · April 9

Dimpfel wrote: »

What I don't fully understand is that there are only cakes from 2020 to 2024, but the cake pieces from 2016/18 and 2019 are available in addition to the others... That's a real shame man...

Do you insist on removing the odd cake pieces to make it correspondent?
I'm convinced that people have their right on this new furnishing, even if they didn't participate in early years annyversaries.

PrincessOfThieves · April 9

It would be really nice to be able to get the old cake furnishings. Mostly because the year 1-3 cakes are the most "normal" looking ones. Don't get me wrong, the newer cakes look gorgeous, but fancy Molag Bal figures and Deadlands towers just don't fit a regular bakery or a wedding party etc.
Or at least it would be nice to have more cakes and pastries as furnishings.

Czeri · April 9

The old cakes are available, but only if you took part in the event in that year. The oldest one I can buy is from 2016.

I guess it'd be nice if they were available without conditions, or not bound on pick-up.

virtus753 · April 9

The cake slices are available to everyone at least in part because there's an achievement tied to them. If you block players from getting cake slices, you have just introduced an achievement that the vast majority of players literally will never be able to complete. It wouldn't be a matter of learning the game, building for content, putting in time, paying for DLC, or anything else that achievements often require. It'd just be blocked.

This year and last year they made a couple of changes that ensure that players won't ever be able to get past cakes they don't already have. I'm not sure if that was their intention, but it was the outcome.

1) Last year they wiped event quests from characters' quest logs. The most recent few years apparently shared the same quest ID, so those were all struck. As a result, there is no way to get, say, the 2023 version of Ache for Cake - and even if there were, it couldn't be completed because:

2) This year they seem to have removed Donolon from the game completely. Some of us still have the Ache for Cake quest from two earlier years, which weren't removed, and there are also sometimes still vouchers from the earliest cakes floating around, but those quests are no longer able to be completed because the required NPC isn't in game anymore. You will just get an arrow pointing to nothing.

If they want players to be able to get cakes from previous years, they will need to institute a new system for earning them, as the previous workarounds have been cut off.

virtus753 · April 9

Czeri wrote: »

The old cakes are available, but only if you took part in the event in that year. The oldest one I can buy is from 2016.

I guess it'd be nice if they were available without conditions, or not bound on pick-up.

The 2016 one is the oldest cake that exists. 2016 was the inaugural Jubilee.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Anniversary_Jubilee#Anniversary_Jubilee_2016

Shagreth · April 9

I missed the two red & black cakes, I simply wasn't playing during that time. It frigging sucks, I wish they were somehow made available, but it is what it is...

BetweenMidgets · April 9

I agree, I would appreciate being able to get some normal looking cakes, as opposed to the past few years.

Pole Dancing Molag Bal is not my cup of tea.

TaSheen · April 9

I wouldn't mind the White Gold Tower itself, but I really am unthrilled entirely with Molag Bal as such a large "decorative" addition.

cyclonus11 · April 9

2020 was the year my apartment burned down and I went several months without a PC, missing that anniversary event. So now I never get to have that cake.

evymyu233 · April 10

i want some cakes for housing too.I have already spent a lot of crown on housing,don't mind buying old cakes with crown.I just really want these cute cakes to decorate the house...

Alastrine · April 10

I'm one of those nasty pple that thinks the cakes should be available as they are.... only for the years you participated in the event.
It's an event piece. It is what it is. It should stay that way. Many games have event related rewards that are not available ever again. This game already brings back all the mounts etc. that at one time in the early days were 'time limited' and supposedly not to be offered again.
I and many others I know are quite pleased they leave these as they are.
For the record, my sons play but went through a spell where they didn't log on, and they are missing a couple of years. They feel the same way as I do... sucks, but, it was an event, they didn't participate, ergo no cake for those events.

If it's just cakes you want, push ZoS to design a few more that are just furnishings, but not these ones.

BetweenMidgets · April 10

Alastrine wrote: »

I'm one of those nasty pple that thinks the cakes should be available as they are.... only for the years you participated in the event.

I agree you should get cakes for the years you participated. I just wish they'd make some cakes that looked normal, instead of complete novelty/unappealing. To me, this year's and last year's cakes are completely aesthetically unappealing. They just seem to make them more and more garish. I'd love some simple, plain cakes to be able to decorate with.

spartaxoxo · April 10

I will never agree that the cakes should only be available for the years participated because there are people WHO did participate who can't buy the old cakes. Not because they didn't do the event, on the contrary, they did do the event.

But because the cakes were added years after the mementos. In fact, the mementos were shown off to work for groups the first year, so not everyone needed to get a cake.

I don't think needing the power to divine the future should be required for a simple cosmetic item.

Edit

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Also, yes, I have every last one. Just dropping this here before I get accused of just wanting them for myself. It's not currently an issue for me either way. Here's me from a post I made last year with all of that cakes until then. I also have this year's cake.

Delphinia · April 10

The issue is that (as was stated above), the cakes were introduced years after the event began. If one did not do the event, but was actively playing, that should still qualify that player to be able to receive a cake.

The early event communication never stated anything about a cake furnishing and that by not doing it, you are forfeiting your right to a cake years later.

The only “reward” at that time was a memento (which is pointless if you’re a PvPer because you cannot use mementos in PvP anyway).

Those players who didn’t do it because they didn’t need/want the memento, may have decided to if zos had told us it would be tied to a cake furnishing sometime in the future.

We were not given all of the information in order to make a decision.

Blood_again · April 10

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Alastrine wrote: »

I'm one of those nasty pple that thinks the cakes should be available as they are.... only for the years you participated in the event.

I agree you should get cakes for the years you participated. I just wish they'd make some cakes that looked normal, instead of complete novelty/unappealing. To me, this year's and last year's cakes are completely aesthetically unappealing. They just seem to make them more and more garish. I'd love some simple, plain cakes to be able to decorate with.

The same discussion happened last year.
I guess that affected the cake piece furnishing took their place at Impressario.
As we can see there are always people who want everything.

I'm totally in for having more furnishing like cakes and bakery etc. Not only connected with annyversary because, well, there are more birthday celebrations possible than just the ESO's one.
I would like to see some choice of cakes for my guild annyversary or make a surprise ingame party for my friend. It is a bit poor choice of only 2016, 2017, 2018 cakes for that purpose. All the others have their strong theme and hardly fit to simple party. So the more various furnishing the better.
Meanwile even if we had many-many different cakes, I guess people would beg for poor old annyversary furnishing anyway. Just to get it and forget it another day, yes

Alastrine · April 10

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Alastrine wrote: »

I'm one of those nasty pple that thinks the cakes should be available as they are.... only for the years you participated in the event.

I agree you should get cakes for the years you participated. I just wish they'd make some cakes that looked normal, instead of complete novelty/unappealing. To me, this year's and last year's cakes are completely aesthetically unappealing. They just seem to make them more and more garish. I'd love some simple, plain cakes to be able to decorate with.

I agree completely. Some regular furnishings for this type of stuff would be great!

Alastrine · April 10

Delphinia wrote: »

The issue is that (as was stated above), the cakes were introduced years after the event began. If one did not do the event, but was actively playing, that should still qualify that player to be able to receive a cake.

The early event communication never stated anything about a cake furnishing and that by not doing it, you are forfeiting your right to a cake years later.

The only “reward” at that time was a memento (which is pointless if you’re a PvPer because you cannot use mementos in PvP anyway).

Those players who didn’t do it because they didn’t need/want the memento, may have decided to if zos had told us it would be tied to a cake furnishing sometime in the future.

We were not given all of the information in order to make a decision.

The memento at the time, the cake, was required to get the xp boost, and I'm pretty sure that pvper's would have still wanted that boost anyway. Doesn't make sense they wouldn't get it if they were playing at that time. I was playing some pvp at that time, since the first cake, and I know of no one who did not grab the memento for the xp boost. I mean, it literally took only moments to go to Donovan and get the cake. Was not a huge process... if someone really wasn't interested enough to get it, and the event didn't interest them enough at the time, well, shouldn't really matter now should it? Or, as I've said before, if it's just a matter of having cake furnishings then to me that's a far easier ask of ZoS.

Perhaps ZoS didn't even know or plan at that time it was going to be a furnishing later? Housing and furnishings were all just still evolving then as well. Was no 'lack of information', it likely wasn't even decided then.

They have to figure out a way to decide who can buy the cakes, and I would think just those that have the memento - which absolutely means they were active during the event - is by far the easiest way for them to do that.

Alastrine · April 10

Yes, the cakes were just mementos for the first couple of Jubilees.

However, they were also required to get the xp boost... you had to eat cake to get that boost, so not just plain mementos either. I'm pretty sure that was from the very first cake, just as with the Mead, the Whistle, etc. for the other xp boost events.

I don't know of anyone who was playing then - pvpers include - who didn't bother to take the minute to grab the cake from Donovan just for the xp boost.

Making them a furnishing probably wasn't even on the books then but when it was, offering them to those that had the memento was the only sure way to make them available to everyone who had bothered with the event then. Saying they should be available to everyone that played that year doesn't make sense to me... how much playtime should qualify? A weekend out of the whole year (but I played that year!)? A month? A scattered 100 hours? How does that decision even get translated? The cake isn't tied to the YEAR, it's tied to the EVENT.

The memento is a definite indication of playing during the event and the only real way to decide on whether the event cake should be offered.

spartaxoxo · April 10

There were plenty of people who did not get the memento during that time period. Some people just used a friend's cake when they were doing something they wanted exp (at least the first year). Other people didn't care about the exp at all because they were only interested in the daily reward boxes, which the memento was not needed for (2017 and later). The developers told the player base it was just for getting exp. Which at the time, it was. The cake furnishing idea didn't come until much later.

Dimpfel · April 10

WOW thanks for all the answers and informations!

Now I can at least understand the reasons of that!

I can definitely see your different perspectives!

Nevertheless, I WANT THE OLD CAKES!!!!111 xD
At least I'm not alone!

I'm not even interested in the mementos. Just the housing items...

Well maybe someday we will get them hopefully!

I would have thought that it would have been very nice if we had gotten the cakes now for the 10th anniversary. Especially with such a special and unique event... I would have been really looking forward to it and hoping for it. But well...

Cheers guys!

Dimpfel · April 10

Blood_again wrote: »

Dimpfel wrote: »

What I don't fully understand is that there are only cakes from 2020 to 2024, but the cake pieces from 2016/18 and 2019 are available in addition to the others... That's a real shame man...

Do you insist on removing the odd cake pieces to make it correspondent?
I'm convinced that people have their right on this new furnishing, even if they didn't participate in early years annyversaries.

LOL Noooo!
I just wish to have the older cakes as furnish!

Blood_again · April 10

Dimpfel wrote: »

LOL Noooo!
I just wish to have the older cakes as furnish!

Just buy the new one. Cut the Molag Bal figurine apart, bite off his head. It is very relaxing

Alastrine · April 10

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There were plenty of people who did not get the memento during that time period. Some people just used a friend's cake when they were doing something they wanted exp (at least the first year). Other people didn't care about the exp at all because they were only interested in the daily reward boxes, which the memento was not needed for (2017 and later). The developers told the player base it was just for getting exp. Which at the time, it was. The cake furnishing idea didn't come until much later.

Just a note... The memento was required for the 2 hour xp boost right up until 2023 actually. Not 2017. It was later in 2023 that they started doing what they do now, making the xp boost automatic.

Sorry, I still just have the opinion that if you were playing and didn't bother to grab it then, then possibly the whole thing didn't mean that much and eh... it shouldn't mean that much now. Why want an item for an event that - according to a lot of posts here - didn't interest someone enough back then to bother with. Just ask for cake furnishings, if its just furnishings that are wanted.

Every year this discussion comes up. I think ZoS has made it pretty clear now where their opinion lies on it. I'm sure next year this same kind of thread will be here again.

spartaxoxo · April 10

Alastrine wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There were plenty of people who did not get the memento during that time period. Some people just used a friend's cake when they were doing something they wanted exp (at least the first year). Other people didn't care about the exp at all because they were only interested in the daily reward boxes, which the memento was not needed for (2017 and later). The developers told the player base it was just for getting exp. Which at the time, it was. The cake furnishing idea didn't come until much later.

Just a note... The memento was required for the 2 hour xp boost right up until 2023 actually. Not 2017. It was later in 2023 that they started doing what they do now, making the xp boost automatic.

That's about the anniversary boxes. They were introduced in 2017 afaik.

Alastrine wrote: »

Sorry, I still just have the opinion that if you were playing and didn't bother to grab it then, then possibly the whole thing didn't mean that much and eh... it shouldn't mean that much now. Why want an item for an event that - according to a lot of posts here - didn't interest someone enough back then to bother with. Just ask for cake furnishings, if its just furnishings that are wanted.

It didn't interest them back then because there was no cake furnishing back then. Housing is a huge system. Exp buffs are easily obtained elsewhere. It's not unreasonable to care about furniture but not care about an exp buff you can get anytime.

Players who participated before the furnishings were added could not make an informed decision on what they were giving up by skipping the memento.

Alastrine wrote: »

Every year this discussion comes up. I think ZoS has made it pretty clear now where their opinion lies on it. I'm sure next year this same kind of thread will be here again.

As well if should, imo. Players are being punished for not being moth priests.

barney2525 · April 10

at this point they are all green from mold

and they smell bad

Alastrine · April 15

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Alastrine wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There were plenty of people who did not get the memento during that time period. Some people just used a friend's cake when they were doing something they wanted exp (at least the first year). Other people didn't care about the exp at all because they were only interested in the daily reward boxes, which the memento was not needed for (2017 and later). The developers told the player base it was just for getting exp. Which at the time, it was. The cake furnishing idea didn't come until much later.

Just a note... The memento was required for the 2 hour xp boost right up until 2023 actually. Not 2017. It was later in 2023 that they started doing what they do now, making the xp boost automatic.

That's about the anniversary boxes. They were introduced in 2017 afaik.

Alastrine wrote: »

Sorry, I still just have the opinion that if you were playing and didn't bother to grab it then, then possibly the whole thing didn't mean that much and eh... it shouldn't mean that much now. Why want an item for an event that - according to a lot of posts here - didn't interest someone enough back then to bother with. Just ask for cake furnishings, if its just furnishings that are wanted.

It didn't interest them back then because there was no cake furnishing back then. Housing is a huge system. Exp buffs are easily obtained elsewhere. It's not unreasonable to care about furniture but not care about an exp buff you can get anytime.

Players who participated before the furnishings were added could not make an informed decision on what they were giving up by skipping the memento.

Alastrine wrote: »

Every year this discussion comes up. I think ZoS has made it pretty clear now where their opinion lies on it. I'm sure next year this same kind of thread will be here again.

As well if should, imo. Players are being punished for not being moth priests.

Noted clarification on the anniversary boxes.

"Informed decision", pfft.... likely ZoS didn't even know they were going to be furnishings down the road, so there no hidden information or lack of information or such. I just find that to be a weak argument, sorry. It literally took a couple of minutes to get the memento. If you couldn't be bothered then... *shrug*. Whether or not anyone said that down the road it was going to be a furnishing is a non-issue. They did. That's it, that's all.
I really tend to question about all the people that say they didn't get the memento at the time, didn't care about an xp buff, etc. Event XP buffs stack with scrolls, that doesn't get duplicated anywhere else. I think in many cases they just weren't playing then, and so be it.
No players are being 'punished' (for not being moth priests??? wt..). You didn't get the memento back then, for whatever reason you want to put out there. They had to find a way to offer the cakes to people who actually played the event and the mementos in collections are a logical, definitive, easy choice to make. How else would they do it, and know you played the event?

It's not a "thanks for playing ESO at some point in 2016" cake.
It's specifically tied to a single event, which spanned a couple of days.
That's it, that's all.

Most of these posts, including yours, just comes around to mentioning a "cake furnishing". So ok.... lobby for cake furnishings, as I've said before. Problem solved.
But not these cakes

The slices on the plates this year were a really nice addition. Would have been nice if they also dropped in boxes for extra pieces too, but all good.

Roll on cake discussion 2025 in 12 months time. Hopefully the cake situation will remain as it is. I will have my cake forks crossed!

thorwyn · April 15

They should just create reskinned versions, similar to the monkey or the mammoth pets. That way, the original ones are still unique and the new ones are available for everyone who showed up late to the party.

spartaxoxo · April 15

Alastrine wrote: »

"Informed decision", pfft....

Retroactively adding achievements to things people did in the past was a choice that they made. A choice that punishes people for things they could never have predicted.

SeaGtGruff · April 15

I think it's a tricky issue because of how... unpredictable... MMO players can be about "special" rewards they've earned and whether it's "fair" to them if other players are subsequently given an easier opportunity to get those same rewards without having had to earn them in the same way.

Mind you, I'd also like to be able to buy the older jubilee cakes that I missed; I'm just sayin'.

What might be a better solution-- for those players who are specifically interested in the older cakes because they look more like "normal" cakes-- would be to add blueprints or whatever for crafting our own cake and pastry furnishings.