Please stop complaining about a completely voluntary "grind" (=anniversary event)

Seraphayel

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I really don't get it. All I see are these complaints regarding the Anniversary event. Drop chance too low, too many players at the same place, rng sucks and the list of complaints goes on and on. I simply don't get it: it's a voluntary grind for cosmetic items.

There's nothing groundbreaking or mandatory locked behind the grind, you put yourself in this position to grind a motif or style and then complain that you don't get it within <1 hour? It simply makes no sense. What do you want, a free motif via mail? What's the solution? Better drop rates so everybody runs around with the Trueflame sword or the Worm staff? No grind at all?

You don't have to grind these activities. It's all in your head that you must get this or that when it's simply a cosmetic item. And even if, the event runs for two more weeks, there's absolutely no rush at all. If you don't want to grind, then don't.

Is the event boring and bland? Absolutely. Is it still fun to farm boxes? Absolutely. I'm making tons of gold by basically doing nothing and that's great. Hoarding ressources or getting random styles is fun. If it's a grind for you then just stop doing it and please, stop complaining. There's nothing wrong with this event besides the fact it's totally uninspired. (and the terrible performance when too many players are at the same place, but that has nothing to do with the event per se)

Grega

Seraphayel wrote: »

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I really don't get it. All I see are these complaints regarding the Anniversary event. Drop chance too low, too many players at the same place, rng sucks and the list of complaints goes on and on. I simply don't get it: it's a voluntary grind for cosmetic items.

There's nothing groundbreaking or mandatory locked behind the grind, you put yourself in this position to grind a motif or style and then complain that you don't get it within <1 hour? It simply makes no sense. What do you want, a free motif via mail? What's the solution? Better drop rates so everybody runs around with the Trueflame sword or the Worm staff? No grind at all?

You don't have to grind these activities. It's all in your head that you must get this or that when it's simply a cosmetic item. And even if, the event runs for two more weeks, there's absolutely no rush at all. If you don't want to grind, then don't.

Is the event boring and bland? Absolutely. Is it still fun to farm boxes? Absolutely. I'm making tons of gold by basically doing nothing and that's great. Hoarding ressources or getting random styles is fun. If it's a grind for you then just stop doing it and please, stop complaining. There's nothing wrong with this event besides the fact it's totally uninspired. (and the terrible performance when too many players are at the same place, but that has nothing to do with the event per se)

And you can stop complaining about other people complaining about something that doesn’t affect you, apparently.

RealLoveBVB

People can't even recognise, that they get hundreds of jubilee boxes, while they farm those style pages.

heaven13

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

People can't even recognise, that they get hundreds of jubilee boxes, while they farm those style pages.

Some people don't. You don't get anniversary boxes for fishing. You don't get anniversary boxes if you don't do enough damage to dolmen or geyser or world bosses. The latter two activities are also zone specific so it's way more congested meaning you're much less likely to do enough damage to get the box. I get why people are upset. Pick between doing other world bosses or dailies to get anniversary boxes, or miss out on the style pages that have low drop rates and cannot be traded/purchased later.

valenwood_vegan

Many players don't like how the event was designed this year and they have every right to provide that feedback to zos. Period.

I think OP is missing the irony here too - their complaint that others are complaining is completely self-induced. One doesn't have to read posts about topics that bother them.

Reginald_leBlem

Seraphayel wrote: »

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There's nothing groundbreaking or mandatory locked behind the grind, you put yourself in this position to grind a motif or style and then complain that you don't get it within <1 hour? It simply makes no sense. What do you want, a free motif via mail? What's the solution? Better drop rates so everybody runs around with the Trueflame sword or the Worm staff? No grind at all?

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Is the event boring and bland? Absolutely. Is it still fun to farm boxes? Absolutely. I'm making tons of gold by basically doing nothing and that's great. Hoarding ressources or getting random styles is fun. If it's a grind for you then just stop doing it and please, stop complaining. There's nothing wrong with this event besides the fact it's totally uninspired. (and the terrible performance when too many players are at the same place, but that has nothing to do with the event per se)

Oh, all the players in Summerset has nothing to do with the event?

What a fascinating take.

Tbh, it sounds like you DO get it. The event is bland, and the only thing to really distinguish it from previous events are some style pages that have horrible drop rate, and some fragments for a mount that you can't even get without spending 1/4 of your tickets
People are underwhelmed and they are frustrated. Sure, you can smugly say it's their fault for WANTING the style pages-- But why shouldn't they call out Zos for their sloppy implementation of the most hyped event we've had in years?

There's a lot of wiggle room between "run this one boring thing for 10 hours with 0 success" and "here have these style pages mailed directly to you"

What would have made SO MUCH MORE SENSE is to tie the style pages to completing achievements, much like they had the costumes etc in the grown store for completing Wrothgar.

For example if you've completed Summerset you get the staff style page, if you've completed all base game dolmens you get the Worm style page, etc.

Pick achievements that tie into the lore of the style that's dropping, and reward people for playing the game in a way that's finite and guaranteed.

Someone who has been here 10 years and completed all the zones would just be able to pick the free gifts up in the crown store, but everyone else would have had incentive to SPREAD OUT and see more of the world.

For the life of me I cannot think of a single reason why they made them such low chance drops for such boring tasks. Like, why? Who does this benefit?

Seraphayel

Grega wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

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I really don't get it. All I see are these complaints regarding the Anniversary event. Drop chance too low, too many players at the same place, rng sucks and the list of complaints goes on and on. I simply don't get it: it's a voluntary grind for cosmetic items.

There's nothing groundbreaking or mandatory locked behind the grind, you put yourself in this position to grind a motif or style and then complain that you don't get it within <1 hour? It simply makes no sense. What do you want, a free motif via mail? What's the solution? Better drop rates so everybody runs around with the Trueflame sword or the Worm staff? No grind at all?

You don't have to grind these activities. It's all in your head that you must get this or that when it's simply a cosmetic item. And even if, the event runs for two more weeks, there's absolutely no rush at all. If you don't want to grind, then don't.

Is the event boring and bland? Absolutely. Is it still fun to farm boxes? Absolutely. I'm making tons of gold by basically doing nothing and that's great. Hoarding ressources or getting random styles is fun. If it's a grind for you then just stop doing it and please, stop complaining. There's nothing wrong with this event besides the fact it's totally uninspired. (and the terrible performance when too many players are at the same place, but that has nothing to do with the event per se)

And you can stop complaining about other people complaining about something that doesn’t affect you, apparently.

All the negativity about the Anniversary Event for a grind that's 100% self-induced is pretty much affecting me. You don't wanna grind? Don't do it. It couldn't be easier than that, yet people are dead set on grinding and burning themselves out over cosmetic stuff. Yet the only "solution" I've seen is increase drop rates, which eventually changes nothing.

Elrond87

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

People can't even recognise, that they get hundreds of jubilee boxes, while they farm those style pages.

didnt get one box from doing the one in summerset stuff die so fast can only get 1 hit in, i just stick to the daily writs n call it a day

BlackAxiom

how am i gonna get these event exclusive items if i don't grind?

FafiQ_xP

I really don't remember time when we had to grind so much for just cosmetics, there is something wrong with drop rates for sure, thing is it just not dropping for some players. I'm grinding the ones in Vvanderfell and I spent 30 hours already since event started and no luck yet. I don't mind grinding if there is good reward but ZOS should respect our time for like little bit. My suggestion is to make it guaranteed at some reasonable number of boss kills. (YES i'm complaining)

Reginald_leBlem

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

People can't even recognise, that they get hundreds of jubilee boxes, while they farm those style pages.

Literally not true. I don't know what you've been doing but it's clearly not trying to get the style pages.

DanteTheDeviant

Don't tell me what to do or how to feel. Unlike you I value my time and have a life outside the game.

PrincessOfThieves

This event is objectively worse than any other before that.
Usually you can get event styles from other players or the ticket merchant. This time, however, grind is the only option. And the drop rates seem to be pretty bad.

FafiQ_xP

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

People can't even recognise, that they get hundreds of jubilee boxes, while they farm those style pages.

not always the case, at geysers its almost impossible to get because it drops from boss and boss loot get only top 12 dps players.

CrazyKitty

Seraphayel wrote: »

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I really don't get it. All I see are these complaints regarding the Anniversary event. Drop chance too low, too many players at the same place, rng sucks and the list of complaints goes on and on. I simply don't get it: it's a voluntary grind for cosmetic items.

There's nothing groundbreaking or mandatory locked behind the grind, you put yourself in this position to grind a motif or style and then complain that you don't get it within <1 hour? It simply makes no sense. What do you want, a free motif via mail? What's the solution? Better drop rates so everybody runs around with the Trueflame sword or the Worm staff? No grind at all?

You don't have to grind these activities. It's all in your head that you must get this or that when it's simply a cosmetic item. And even if, the event runs for two more weeks, there's absolutely no rush at all. If you don't want to grind, then don't.

Is the event boring and bland? Absolutely. Is it still fun to farm boxes? Absolutely. I'm making tons of gold by basically doing nothing and that's great. Hoarding ressources or getting random styles is fun. If it's a grind for you then just stop doing it and please, stop complaining. There's nothing wrong with this event besides the fact it's totally uninspired. (and the terrible performance when too many players are at the same place, but that has nothing to do with the event per se)

No. The RNG in ESO is not respectful of our time, and it's a totally legitimate point to be making.

Anumaril

It being voluntary should have no bearing on people's dislike for the grind. Virtually all the content in this game is voluntary, yet that doesn't mean we can't criticise it. I'm fairly lucky in that I got the motif I wanted within about 30 Dolmens, but I don't blame people who have done 100 without any sign of it and are frustrated (on top of the other motifs they'd like to get).

ZOS could have designed the rewards for this event differently, making it less based on RNG and more so on steady progression with an eventual unlock, or a dozen other things. I really dislike this trend of people defending bad design by laying the blame on the player with phrases like "it's voluntary, so just don't do it" when obviously the rewards are made to be highly desirable and even exclusive (i.e., not attainable any other way), basically requiring them to engage with the badly-designed system in order to unlock it.

Hvíthákarl

You won't inherit ZoS mate. Let people complain about stuff and just scroll over those posts

Hapexamendios

Grind is indeed voluntary, but it does not make abysmal RNG acceptable

spartaxoxo

Last I checked this is a video game. The entire thing is optional. None of it will have any impact on your life.

If we go by the idea that we should only criticize things we're forced to do, then every video game ever made is beyond reproach. All forms of art appreciation or critique is invalid. And each and every game is perfect just by the sheer fact of its existence. There is absolutely no difference between Baldgur's Gate 3 and I Love You, Colonel Sanders (a dating sim where you get to romance the mascot of a real life chicken joint).

Since that mankind has appreciated and critiqued art for far, far, far longer than any of game has existed or any of us has been alive, clearly that's not the case.

Therefore "it's not mandatory" is an invalid criteria from which to determine whether a piece of criticism is worthy of being made.

furiouslog

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

People can't even recognise, that they get hundreds of jubilee boxes, while they farm those style pages.

If you can get a hit in, yes.

ssewallb14_ESO

"bad thing isn't bad because you're not required to engage with thing" is a really common informal fallacy that I don't think is going anywhere any time soon.

furiouslog

Seraphayel wrote: »

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Request denied.

SeaGtGruff

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

People can't even recognise, that they get hundreds of jubilee boxes, while they farm those style pages.

The page from fishing came rather quickly for me on both servers, I caught a few more rare fish that I needed, and I even found 2 Perfect Roe on one server, so the lack of jubilee coffers didn't matter to me.

I enjoy soloing WBs in Vvardenfell (outside of events), so the main downside there are the huge crowds at most bosses who melt it so fast that I don't get looting rights, but if I'm lucky I can find a much smaller crowd at certain unpopular bosses. I'm also hoping the crowds will thin out as the event progresses and players find the pages they're looking for.*

I haven't done geysers in a long time, so it's been nice to revisit them. My biggest complaint about the geysers is that many of them are not close to a wayshrine, plus there's no pattern to the order they follow, so it can be a bit of a hassle to locate and then ride to whichever one is active.

I also haven't done dolmens in a long time, so it's been fun to revisit them, too. If you pick a zone that's less popular because of how far the dolmens are from wayshrines, you might not run into much of a crowd. Last night I actually ended up soloing one of the dolmens a few times in the zone I was in, because one group of players tapered off and then it took a few rotations for another group of players to show up, meanwhile some players had decided to just wait at the most convenient dolmen rather than follow the rotation since they didn't need to wait for very long before that dolmen became active again.

In all cases, I'm restricting myself as far as how long I engage in any particular grind, because I put the things I enjoy doing each day ahead of everything else, followed by endeavors, and then I'll engage in a short grind for as long as it's fun. As soon as the fun wears out, I'm off to doing something else that needs doing-- mainly treasure maps, which I have far too many of in my bank and on my mule alts.

*As far as hoping the crowds will eventually thin, I'm actually glad that these pages are bound, since that should remove the desire that some players might have had to grind for multiple pages in order to sell them. If the pages weren't bound, then the crowds might not ever thin out until the event ends.

Seraphayel

BlackAxiom wrote: »

how am i gonna get these event exclusive items if i don't grind?

You don’t need to and that’s the wonderful thing about all of this, it‘s completely voluntary and on top of that it’s just cosmetics without any further impact.

CrazyKitty wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Title.

I really don't get it. All I see are these complaints regarding the Anniversary event. Drop chance too low, too many players at the same place, rng sucks and the list of complaints goes on and on. I simply don't get it: it's a voluntary grind for cosmetic items.

There's nothing groundbreaking or mandatory locked behind the grind, you put yourself in this position to grind a motif or style and then complain that you don't get it within <1 hour? It simply makes no sense. What do you want, a free motif via mail? What's the solution? Better drop rates so everybody runs around with the Trueflame sword or the Worm staff? No grind at all?

You don't have to grind these activities. It's all in your head that you must get this or that when it's simply a cosmetic item. And even if, the event runs for two more weeks, there's absolutely no rush at all. If you don't want to grind, then don't.

Is the event boring and bland? Absolutely. Is it still fun to farm boxes? Absolutely. I'm making tons of gold by basically doing nothing and that's great. Hoarding ressources or getting random styles is fun. If it's a grind for you then just stop doing it and please, stop complaining. There's nothing wrong with this event besides the fact it's totally uninspired. (and the terrible performance when too many players are at the same place, but that has nothing to do with the event per se)

No. The RNG in ESO is not respectful of our time, and it's a totally legitimate point to be making.

RNG is never respectful of anyone’s time, how could it be. That’s the point of RNG.

colossalvoids

The whole problem is uninspired event, super bland and generic. If it was an actual celebration with enough different activities beside grind a lot of complaints would be gone. The other thing that those grinds don't pose a threat, everything is deleted some people can't even lend one hit - would be way more fun if all people would be engaged in those fights and their presence won't be just a visual clutter but an actual help to the group endeavour - it's not the case now, that's a design issue obviously.

spartaxoxo

Seraphayel wrote: »

RNG is never respectful of anyone’s time, how could it be. That’s the point of RNG.

Also false. Different drop rates determine how much time the average person will have to spend looting it.

They decided to make these style pages limited time only, in some cases sourced in a singular zone, bound, and have a very rare drop rate.

Seraphayel

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

RNG is never respectful of anyone’s time, how could it be. That’s the point of RNG.

Also false. Different drop rates determine how much time the average person will have to spend looting it.

They decided to make these style pages limited time only, in some cases sourced in a singular zone, bound, and have a very rare drop rate.

These drop rates mean nothing on an individual basis. You might get the thing you’re looking for within the first 5 minutes or you might never get it. That‘s ESO‘s RNG in a nutshell. Is it good? No. But that’s how it’s always been, so I have no idea why people are complaining about something that was to be expected. A random drop will be a random drop, no matter what unless each fail increases your chance of getting what you‘re looking for and I’m not sure if ZOS has done that in any aspect of the game yet.

heaven13

Seraphayel wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

RNG is never respectful of anyone’s time, how could it be. That’s the point of RNG.

Also false. Different drop rates determine how much time the average person will have to spend looting it.

They decided to make these style pages limited time only, in some cases sourced in a singular zone, bound, and have a very rare drop rate.

These drop rates mean nothing on an individual basis. You might get the thing you’re looking for within the first 5 minutes or you might never get it. That‘s ESO‘s RNG in a nutshell. Is it good? No. But that’s how it’s always been, so I have no idea why people are complaining about something that was to be expected. A random drop will be a random drop, no matter what unless each fail increases your chance of getting what you‘re looking for and I’m not sure if ZOS has done that in any aspect of the game yet.

Because people expected better for what should have been the biggest celebration in ESO's history, not more of the same RNG grind bs, further exacerbated by account bound drops.

spartaxoxo

Seraphayel wrote: »

These drop rates mean nothing on an individual basis.

Completely false. As an individual, any time I flip a normal coin I have a 1/2 chance of getting the specific side I want. If I roll a 12 sided dice, I have a 1/12 chance of getting the specific side I want.

Massively different odds. Can someone get particularly unlucky? Sure. But the vast, vast, vast majority are going to have entirely different experiences getting exactly what they want from something with a high drop rate rather than a low one.

That's why the market values of items that can be traded reflect scarcity. I can't even give away the most common green furnishing plans on a consistent basis. So I end up selling those to a vendor because everyone has them. Meanwhile, very rare furnishing plans go for millions of coins.

In order for these points to make sense, we have to ignore how criticism and statistics actually work. We have to pretend that extreme outliers are the norm. We have to pretend the developers have absolutely no control over the design they chose.

SeaGtGruff

Seraphayel wrote: »

BlackAxiom wrote: »

how am i gonna get these event exclusive items if i don't grind?

You don’t need to and that’s the wonderful thing about all of this, it‘s completely voluntary and on top of that it’s just cosmetics without any further impact.

CrazyKitty wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Title.

I really don't get it. All I see are these complaints regarding the Anniversary event. Drop chance too low, too many players at the same place, rng sucks and the list of complaints goes on and on. I simply don't get it: it's a voluntary grind for cosmetic items.

There's nothing groundbreaking or mandatory locked behind the grind, you put yourself in this position to grind a motif or style and then complain that you don't get it within <1 hour? It simply makes no sense. What do you want, a free motif via mail? What's the solution? Better drop rates so everybody runs around with the Trueflame sword or the Worm staff? No grind at all?

You don't have to grind these activities. It's all in your head that you must get this or that when it's simply a cosmetic item. And even if, the event runs for two more weeks, there's absolutely no rush at all. If you don't want to grind, then don't.

Is the event boring and bland? Absolutely. Is it still fun to farm boxes? Absolutely. I'm making tons of gold by basically doing nothing and that's great. Hoarding ressources or getting random styles is fun. If it's a grind for you then just stop doing it and please, stop complaining. There's nothing wrong with this event besides the fact it's totally uninspired. (and the terrible performance when too many players are at the same place, but that has nothing to do with the event per se)

No. The RNG in ESO is not respectful of our time, and it's a totally legitimate point to be making.

RNG is never respectful of anyone’s time, how could it be. That’s the point of RNG.

I never really understood that phrase, at least as far as using it against games and game developers.

CRPGs have always been about getting your character's attribute and skill levels up high enough, not to mention acquiring the necessary gear, to "beat the game." It's up to each player to decide which attributes and skills they want to focus on, and how high they want to raise them, so in that sense they're in control of how much time they spend on that aspect of a game, hence saying that a certain CRPG "doesn't respect your time" seems odd to me.

And MMOs have apparently always been about RNG drops that give players a reason to keep repeating the same content over and over again. ESO is actually my first and (so far) only MMO, so I'm going by what I've heard other players say about them.

It seems to me that many people just want instant gratification in everything. Need to read a story or book for a class? Buy the Clif Notes (yeah, I'm old) or look up a synopsis of it online. Want to watch a TV series? Binge it in as few days as possible. Want to play an adventure game? Look up a walkthrough that tells you exactly what to do. Want to play an MMO? Look up the best META builds so you can clear all of the "end game content" by the end of day 2.

To be honest, that kind of approach to life seems to me like it doesn't respect the time of the people who created the things that so many consumers are determined to breeze through as quickly as possible.

derkaiserliche

Yea some people want to get "rare" stuff by just doing 2 dolmens and then act cocky that eso doesnt respect their time.

The event is nearly 3 weeks long and people expect to have every special reward within the first 2 days. Its impossible to please everyone. Personally i would wish to have more rare and grindy drops, so its worth taking efforts into it.